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Old 01-20-2017, 08:42 AM   #1
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Today is President Obama's last day as president of the US, and, even I grew to be ardently against his policies (I wasn't at first - you can check posts from his 1st inauguration on this site), I respect that he worked hard every day for this country doing what he felt was the best for the USA.

I am sure others here have more items then me to say they liked or appreciated, so here is a thread to simply say thanks for serving. Other threads have debates, I don't mean this one as a rehash of ACA, or any other decision. Maybe it's a pointless thread as obviously President Obama will not see it [tinfoil]or will he[/tinfoil] but still it deserves to be said that the office of the President is a 24 hour 7 day a week responsibility, and at the end of 8 years if a man endures that long I hope every US Citizen understands and appreciates that he deserves the gratitude and respect of every one living in our country.

Some accomplishments I give him credit for:

overseeing an economy that was in deep recession, and not letting it go into a cataclysmic depression
giving voice to social cultures that were (and are) still unaccepted by cultural conservatives
capturing Bin Laden

Again Thanks President Obama for the sacrifice of serving that you offered this country.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:00 AM   #2
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For me, Im very proud as a nation to have been apart of a generation that elected the first African American President - twice. It speak volumes, sets an example of how a freely elected democracy can give a voice for all. It surely tells us just how far we have come and we should be proud.

Obama is a great man, one of integrity, great speaker, and gave a very human element to the office. Sometimes leaders are kinda set on a pedestal...unjustly...but he is the type of man who you run into in the street, bar, etc and have a conversation with. He will be missed when it comes this quality.

No matter what the media tries to sell you, as it works to divide us...this would have never happened under the America they attempt to portray. remember that.


When it comes to accomplishments...how could we ever forget the picture from the office of the Obama and staff as they watched our military kill Bin Laden? Crowning jewel imo. I think the economy recovery will be big for his legacy, but most people who followed the recovery know the Fed Monetary policy drove that recovery....its not like Pres Bill Clinton who actually worked and past legislation (oh and deregulation which lead to the housing crisis) with the "Balance Budget Amendment".
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:25 AM   #3
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For me, Im very proud as a nation to have been apart of a generation that elected the first African American President - twice. It speak volumes, sets an example of how a freely elected democracy can give a voice for all. It surely tells us just how far we have come and we should be proud.

Obama is a great man, one of integrity, great speaker, and gave a very human element to the office. Sometimes leaders are kinda set on a pedestal...unjustly...but he is the type of man who you run into in the street, bar, etc and have a conversation with. He will be missed when it comes this quality.

No matter what the media tries to sell you, as it works to divide us...this would have never happened under the America they attempt to portray. remember that.


When it comes to accomplishments...how could we ever forget the picture from the office of the Obama and staff as they watched our military kill Bin Laden? Crowning jewel imo. I think the economy recovery will be big for his legacy, but most people who followed the recovery know the Fed Monetary policy drove that recovery....its not like Pres Bill Clinton who actually worked and past legislation (oh and deregulation which lead to the housing crisis) with the "Balance Budget Amendment".
It certainly was more than just Pres Obama to guide the economy, but as President he bore the responsibility of (and the ability to) not letting it spiral out of control, and I give him thanks/credit for that.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:12 AM   #4
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Thanks Obama for my recent raise, probably the last one I'll see for a while.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:21 AM   #5
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Thanks Obama for my recent raise, probably the last one I'll see for a while.
I haven't seen one in 3 years (bonuses yes but no base raise) maybe that right there is a difference worth noting.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:50 AM   #6
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I haven't seen one in 3 years (bonuses yes but no base raise) maybe that right there is a difference worth noting.

Now I just hope my agency doesn't get gutted, while I doubt it and Trump has said he doesn't want to touch Social Security, guys like Paul Ryan scare me.
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Now I just hope my agency doesn't get gutted, while I doubt it and Trump has said he doesn't want to touch Social Security, guys like Paul Ryan scare me.
Thanks Obama for letting me get to retirement and as was mention I'll be fine if Trump sticks to his word and leaves SS alone .
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Old 01-20-2017, 01:07 PM   #8
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Cred u really watered down the Trump thread with this classy post. Damn you.
Anyway I just want to say that agree or disagree- yes he thought he was doing what was right for the country as a whole. And he did it with class. Him and his family. Classy every step of the way.
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Cred u really watered down the Trump thread with this classy post. Damn you.
Anyway I just want to say that agree or disagree- yes he thought he was doing what was right for the country as a whole. And he did it with class. Him and his family. Classy every step of the way.

We're going from total class to all out trash. Sigh.
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Obama and Reagan, neck and neck for best president of my 37 year old lifetime.

He did an excellent job. You never agree with all of it, no matter which side of the aisle you're on. But he did a terrific job.
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Obama and Reagan, neck and neck for best president of my 37 year old lifetime.

He did an excellent job. You never agree with all of it, no matter which side of the aisle you're on. But he did a terrific job.
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I thought you didn't do drugs?
Didn't like Obama? If you're intellectually honest, how can you dispute these facts:

- inherited unemployment rate of 7.9%, left it at 4.9%
- reduced the deficit
- inflation stayed under 2.0%
- oversaw the lowest mortgage rates of all time
- longest consecutive period of GDP growth in history, albeit more tempered than typical

I have HUGE problems with his approach to foreign policy. I think Iran, Russia, and Syria are pretty much doing whatever they want. But it's the economy, stupid. The most important issue by far for most American voters and it's really hard to complain given the shit show Bush handed to him.

Keep in mind if you don't argue using facts and figures I will fuck you up. I insist on objectivity or you will come out looking like an ass.
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Old 01-21-2017, 08:43 AM   #13
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Didn't like Obama? If you're intellectually honest, how can you dispute these facts:

- inherited unemployment rate of 7.9%, left it at 4.9%
- reduced the deficit
- inflation stayed under 2.0%
- oversaw the lowest mortgage rates of all time
- longest consecutive period of GDP growth in history, albeit more tempered than typical

I have HUGE problems with his approach to foreign policy. I think Iran, Russia, and Syria are pretty much doing whatever they want. But it's the economy, stupid. The most important issue by far for most American voters and it's really hard to complain given the shit show Bush handed to him.

Keep in mind if you don't argue using facts and figures I will fuck you up. I insist on objectivity or you will come out looking like an ass.
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I am surprised that you weight economic factors so heavily. I know the president influences the economy and gets judged on the economy by pundits, but I am positive you would agree that no president single-handedly controls the economic cycle. The legislature and fed have far more sway over it at any given time.

I will put the caveat that the president does hold sway when it comes to global markets vs protectionist capitalism and Obama certainly was always working for greater global market access and as tradeoffs go global economic health does impact the longer lasting slower growth model we have seen in effect.


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I found this from the past and could not help wondering if we will ever have two respectable people like this run for office again. We haven't seen class like this from any of our politicians in a while.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrqoSyKsAPw
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