Lets make a deal

diehardskin2982 · 02-22-2005, 03:14 PM

What kind of deal would you like the Redskins to get for L.C? What do you expect the deal to be right now, releasing him, or trading him is a financial constraint to the Skins. Everything is a lose- Lose situation. So therefore let play 'lets make a deal' and come up with some sugestions on how to deal with this problem.

I never believed in something for nothing. Releasing Coles to me would just be absurd. He is a great player, who has value. So the skins are in the driver seat so, it may be the seat of a hoptie but its a seat non the less.

If I was the GM I would try one of these two trades. First I'd try a LC for Darren Howard and our 2nd rounder back. I'd offer nothing more, nothing less if they didn't accept the trade thats fine I'd move on. We have a good trade relationship with the saints, so it might work. Horn is getting older and stallworth seems to be a bust.

Another Idea would be a trade for boldin out of Arizona. The cardinals would get they're deep threat in Coles, and we would get our tough guy in Boldin. Boldin was injured last season so I hoped that brought down his trade value.
Bye Coles

Hello Boldin

I don't know what would happen, knowing snyder we may still be in the picture for the Moss trade now...

skinsguy · 02-22-2005, 03:25 PM

It seems that Coles is pushing to become a free agent, I don't believe we would actually aquire any type of deal other than just letting him go. Maybe the only deal I see, is telling his agent...we'll let Coles be a free agent and go to any team of his choosing so as long as he makes it easier on us, salary cap wise. Otherwise, I'm thinking about the only way out would be for him to retire.

Big C · 02-22-2005, 03:50 PM

id trade coles for a different position, cuz i think we could get a better player from another position. if we trader WR for WR, their skills prolly wouldnt match up well since coles has a bad toe and we are desperate. id trade him for DE abraham or a good DT/CB, maybe even a safety.

Beemnseven · 02-22-2005, 04:00 PM

As someone else has already stated in another thread, it was leaked that the Redskins were going to release Coles anyway. You don't EVER give away one of your players for a guy who from all indications was already expected to be released. That doesn't even take into account the reports of a nagging toe injury.

Just like Wilber Marshall of long ago, and the Champ Bailey fiasco just recently, the Skins are going to have another one broken off in the ass yet again -- getting nothing in return for great players that get pryed away.

Instead of all these free agents, why don't we try to sign Scott Peoli of the Patriots? Maybe that way we can stop the endless train of boneheaded, buffoon-like personnel decisions.

celts32 · 02-22-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

What kind of deal would you like the Redskins to get for L.C? What do you expect the deal to be right now, releasing him, or trading him is a financial constraint to the Skins. Everything is a lose- Lose situation. So therefore let play 'lets make a deal' and come up with some sugestions on how to deal with this problem.

I never believed in something for nothing. Releasing Coles to me would just be absurd. He is a great player, who has value. So the skins are in the driver seat so, it may be the seat of a hoptie but its a seat non the less.

If I was the GM I would try one of these two trades. First I'd try a LC for Darren Howard and our 2nd rounder back. I'd offer nothing more, nothing less if they didn't accept the trade thats fine I'd move on. We have a good trade relationship with the saints, so it might work. Horn is getting older and stallworth seems to be a bust.

Another Idea would be a trade for boldin out of Arizona. The cardinals would get they're deep threat in Coles, and we would get our tough guy in Boldin. Boldin was injured last season so I hoped that brought down his trade value.
Bye Coles

Hello Boldin

I don't know what would happen, knowing snyder we may still be in the picture for the Moss trade now...

I don't think Coles is a great player. He had one great season in NY but that was 3 years ago and one bad toe injury ago. I would be shocked if the skins got more than a #2 for him, but it's more like a #3. Most teams will probably wait until he is a free agent and get him for free. Why would anyone want to trade draft picks or players for someone who is most likely to be released.

The Abraham trade is ludicrous also. The Jets would have to be insane to trade a premeir DE for a damaged WR. ABrahams value is somewhere between one and two #1 picks. Can anyone on this board make a case for LC having that sort of value?

I think the best we can do is get him to give back some money and just release him.

MTK · 02-22-2005, 04:08 PM

At this point if we just get the $5M in cap relief for his bonus I'd be happy. If we don't have to bite the full bullet for his release I'll take that as a small victory.

At this point I think it's best to just resolve this situation as quickly as possible.

If we can pull the trigger on a trade I'd be very surprised.

DCopper04 · 02-22-2005, 04:10 PM

To start things off, under no circumstances would I let Coles walk. We must get something for him. This means that he will have to convert a large portion of his bonus into base salary, and work out an agreement with the other team on a new contract. If he does not agree to giving up his bonus along with being traded, then we must keep him. We cannot absorb a $9M cap hit because Coles is unsatisfied with his 90 receptions.

The odds of us getting a great deal for him are slim, but I think we would do well to try and fill a void by either getting a solid player at a needed position or getting a draft pick (likely a 2nd rounder.) All of this speculation about getting Abraham is nonsense. Abraham's value outweighs Coles' by a longshot. In the best case scenario, I see us getting a 2nd rounder so that we can draft an interior lineman. That gets rid of a problem player and helps to fill one of our main needs.

offiss · 02-22-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DCopper04

To start things off, under no circumstances would I let Coles walk. We must get something for him. This means that he will have to convert a large portion of his bonus into base salary, and work out an agreement with the other team on a new contract. If he does not agree to giving up his bonus along with being traded, then we must keep him. We cannot absorb a $9M cap hit because Coles is unsatisfied with his 90 receptions.

The odds of us getting a great deal for him are slim, but I think we would do well to try and fill a void by either getting a solid player at a needed position or getting a draft pick (likely a 2nd rounder.) All of this speculation about getting Abraham is nonsense. Abraham's value outweighs Coles' by a longshot. In the best case scenario, I see us getting a 2nd rounder so that we can draft an interior lineman. That gets rid of a problem player and helps to fill one of our main needs.

Agreed, if we can't bring back some quality I keep him, if he really want's out he will do whatever he has to to make sure that his departure is cap friendly, as well as player or draft pick friendly for us, if he's unwilling to do so then he doesn't want out bad enough, Coles is not a problem player like a Moss and so on, I believe he would still conduct himself like a professional even if he end's up staying on with us.

sportscurmudgeon · 02-22-2005, 08:33 PM

In one sense, the Skins are totally in the drivers' seat. Unless they do something with LC - release him or trade him - he is under contract with the Skins and there's not a whole lot he can do about that and still get paid. So they can keep him of they want to - - sort of like in indentured servitude.

On the other hand, they have a lot of money and cap room invested in him and if he REALLY doesn't want to be here, they would be nuts to try to force him to do that.

So let's say I'm the GM for the Raiders and I need a WR who can get deep because all I want to do is play vertical pass offense. I'd love to have LC on my team because I'll convince him to shoot his foot with cortisone once a month and when his foot is sound he can fly. However, I know there is some "trouble in paradise" back there in DC between LC and the "organization". So when I call back to the Skins organization and somebody tells me that all you'll take for LC is a first round pick this year and a player, I'll tell you to break off another dildo in your ass. Here's my counter offer: I'll take your reluctant warrior off your hands and if he gives you back $2M of his signing bonus to make your cap hit less onerous, I'll reimburse him that amount of money AND I'll give you a fourth round pick next year. Why that pick? Well TO was a guy who wanted out of SF and Philly got him for a 2nd round pick and LC is good but he ain't no TO. Take it or leave it, Danny Boy. You can get a little cap room and a draft pick next year - or you can keep LC or you can release him and I'll sign him in a heartbeat. Your move...

Or the Skins can keep a player here who does not want to be here and pay him a LOT of money for the rest of his contract...

If I'm the Jets' GM, I would not pay a nickel of that outrageous signing bonus that the Skins paid to LC with the sole intent of making it impossible for the Jets to resign him. AND if the Skins want Abraham - who I just put my franchise tag on - you can have Abraham for Coles PLUS your first round pick this year. Deal with it.

offiss · 02-22-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

In one sense, the Skins are totally in the drivers' seat. Unless they do something with LC - release him or trade him - he is under contract with the Skins and there's not a whole lot he can do about that and still get paid. So they can keep him of they want to - - sort of like in indentured servitude.

On the other hand, they have a lot of money and cap room invested in him and if he REALLY doesn't want to be here, they would be nuts to try to force him to do that.

So let's say I'm the GM for the Raiders and I need a WR who can get deep because all I want to do is play vertical pass offense. I'd love to have LC on my team because I'll convince him to shoot his foot with cortisone once a month and when his foot is sound he can fly. However, I know there is some "trouble in paradise" back there in DC between LC and the "organization". So when I call back to the Skins organization and somebody tells me that all you'll take for LC is a first round pick this year and a player, I'll tell you to break off another dildo in your ass. Here's my counter offer: I'll take your reluctant warrior off your hands and if he gives you back $2M of his signing bonus to make your cap hit less onerous, I'll reimburse him that amount of money AND I'll give you a fourth round pick next year. Why that pick? Well TO was a guy who wanted out of SF and Philly got him for a 2nd round pick and LC is good but he ain't no TO. Take it or leave it, Danny Boy. You can get a little cap room and a draft pick next year - or you can keep LC or you can release him and I'll sign him in a heartbeat. Your move...

Or the Skins can keep a player here who does not want to be here and pay him a LOT of money for the rest of his contract...

If I'm the Jets' GM, I would not pay a nickel of that outrageous signing bonus that the Skins paid to LC with the sole intent of making it impossible for the Jets to resign him. AND if the Skins want Abraham - who I just put my franchise tag on - you can have Abraham for Coles PLUS your first round pick this year. Deal with it.

SC, you are not comparing apples to apples here, TO's situation was totally different from Coles TO was a free agent, the 9er's tried to get something for him when it appeared that he didn't file for free agency in time but they never took into account the clause in his contract that made him a free agent regardless of filing, Philli didn't have to give up anything if they didn't want to that pick was to save face for all involved and for the aggrevation the Raven's were put through the NFL put a little pressure on Philli to throw the raven's of san fran [which ever] a bone but that pick was out of sympathy and nothing more, I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that a player of TO's magnitude is only worth a 2nd rd pick, TO's trade value start's at 2 #1's.

celts32 · 02-22-2005, 04:18 PM

I would be thrilled to just get the 5 million back and move on. Look at it this way, in today's NFL salary cap era 5 million in cap space is like getting a player in return. With an additional 5 million in cap space they can sign a player equal to Coles in value. Actually, with 5 million in cap space you can sign almost any player in the league and fit it in to the cap. We don't need controversy this offseason. The player doesn't want to be here so get rid of him and move on. No one player on this team is more important than the whole. Gibbs is building an organization for the long haul and he has no intentions of building it with people that don't want to be part of it.

celts32 · 02-22-2005, 04:24 PM

And as far as the likelyhood of the trade goes...do you see any teams lining up to trade for Mushin Muhamed right now? Nope, becasue they know that Carolina is going to cut him. Trading Coles is nonsense...the Redskins are going to look into it for sure becasue they would be stupid to at least not explore every avenue. But in the end they will find cool trade waters and come to the realization that they need to just cut ties with LC and move on...

MTK · 02-22-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

And as far as the likelyhood of the trade goes...do you see any teams lining up to trade for Mushin Muhamed right now? Nope, becasue they know that Carolina is going to cut him. Trading Coles is nonsense...the Redskins are going to look into it for sure becasue they would be stupid to at least not explore every avenue. But in the end they will find cool trade waters and come to the realization that they need to just cut ties with LC and move on...

Muhammad is due a very large bonus, $10 or $12 mill I believe, so you're right, unless the Panthers want to eat that they'll more than likely end up cutting him.

No use in trading for a guy you know is going to hit the open market eventually. If we get anything for Gardner and Coles we'll be extremely lucky.

MTK · 02-22-2005, 04:25 PM

Well, it's not like we're getting $5M in cap space, we're just getting $5M taken off his cap hit. We won't be getting off scott free, but the hit won't be as severe.

Instead of a $9M cap hit, we might be looking at $3-4.

celts32 · 02-22-2005, 04:30 PM

Maybe I don't understand this fully, but if he gives back 5 million we take the other 3 against our cap this year like you said but we then have a 35 million dollar player off our books after this season. So maybe they don't get a full 5 million to use right now, but they are wiping off a big contract for only a 3 million dollar dead money charge. This should help the cap situation in the future when experts were speculating cap problems for the Redskins.

Basically, what i am trying to say is they have to get helped capwise by this at some point assuming he gives money back.

02-22-2005, 04:00 PM	#4
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Lets make a deal As someone else has already stated in another thread, it was leaked that the Redskins were going to release Coles anyway. You don't EVER give away one of your players for a guy who from all indications was already expected to be released. That doesn't even take into account the reports of a nagging toe injury. Just like Wilber Marshall of long ago, and the Champ Bailey fiasco just recently, the Skins are going to have another one broken off in the ass yet again -- getting nothing in return for great players that get pryed away. Instead of all these free agents, why don't we try to sign Scott Peoli of the Patriots? Maybe that way we can stop the endless train of boneheaded, buffoon-like personnel decisions.

02-22-2005, 04:08 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,427	Re: Lets make a deal At this point if we just get the $5M in cap relief for his bonus I'd be happy. If we don't have to bite the full bullet for his release I'll take that as a small victory. At this point I think it's best to just resolve this situation as quickly as possible. If we can pull the trigger on a trade I'd be very surprised. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-22-2005, 04:10 PM	#7
DCopper04 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 59	Re: Lets make a deal To start things off, under no circumstances would I let Coles walk. We must get something for him. This means that he will have to convert a large portion of his bonus into base salary, and work out an agreement with the other team on a new contract. If he does not agree to giving up his bonus along with being traded, then we must keep him. We cannot absorb a $9M cap hit because Coles is unsatisfied with his 90 receptions. The odds of us getting a great deal for him are slim, but I think we would do well to try and fill a void by either getting a solid player at a needed position or getting a draft pick (likely a 2nd rounder.) All of this speculation about getting Abraham is nonsense. Abraham's value outweighs Coles' by a longshot. In the best case scenario, I see us getting a 2nd rounder so that we can draft an interior lineman. That gets rid of a problem player and helps to fill one of our main needs.

02-22-2005, 08:33 PM	#9
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Lets make a deal In one sense, the Skins are totally in the drivers' seat. Unless they do something with LC - release him or trade him - he is under contract with the Skins and there's not a whole lot he can do about that and still get paid. So they can keep him of they want to - - sort of like in indentured servitude. On the other hand, they have a lot of money and cap room invested in him and if he REALLY doesn't want to be here, they would be nuts to try to force him to do that. So let's say I'm the GM for the Raiders and I need a WR who can get deep because all I want to do is play vertical pass offense. I'd love to have LC on my team because I'll convince him to shoot his foot with cortisone once a month and when his foot is sound he can fly. However, I know there is some "trouble in paradise" back there in DC between LC and the "organization". So when I call back to the Skins organization and somebody tells me that all you'll take for LC is a first round pick this year and a player, I'll tell you to break off another dildo in your ass. Here's my counter offer: I'll take your reluctant warrior off your hands and if he gives you back $2M of his signing bonus to make your cap hit less onerous, I'll reimburse him that amount of money AND I'll give you a fourth round pick next year. Why that pick? Well TO was a guy who wanted out of SF and Philly got him for a 2nd round pick and LC is good but he ain't no TO. Take it or leave it, Danny Boy. You can get a little cap room and a draft pick next year - or you can keep LC or you can release him and I'll sign him in a heartbeat. Your move... Or the Skins can keep a player here who does not want to be here and pay him a LOT of money for the rest of his contract... If I'm the Jets' GM, I would not pay a nickel of that outrageous signing bonus that the Skins paid to LC with the sole intent of making it impossible for the Jets to resign him. AND if the Skins want Abraham - who I just put my franchise tag on - you can have Abraham for Coles PLUS your first round pick this year. Deal with it. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-22-2005, 04:18 PM	#11
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 52 Posts: 2,665	Re: Lets make a deal I would be thrilled to just get the 5 million back and move on. Look at it this way, in today's NFL salary cap era 5 million in cap space is like getting a player in return. With an additional 5 million in cap space they can sign a player equal to Coles in value. Actually, with 5 million in cap space you can sign almost any player in the league and fit it in to the cap. We don't need controversy this offseason. The player doesn't want to be here so get rid of him and move on. No one player on this team is more important than the whole. Gibbs is building an organization for the long haul and he has no intentions of building it with people that don't want to be part of it.

02-22-2005, 03:14 PM	#1
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Lets make a deal What kind of deal would you like the Redskins to get for L.C? What do you expect the deal to be right now, releasing him, or trading him is a financial constraint to the Skins. Everything is a lose- Lose situation. So therefore let play 'lets make a deal' and come up with some sugestions on how to deal with this problem. I never believed in something for nothing. Releasing Coles to me would just be absurd. He is a great player, who has value. So the skins are in the driver seat so, it may be the seat of a hoptie but its a seat non the less. If I was the GM I would try one of these two trades. First I'd try a LC for Darren Howard and our 2nd rounder back. I'd offer nothing more, nothing less if they didn't accept the trade thats fine I'd move on. We have a good trade relationship with the saints, so it might work. Horn is getting older and stallworth seems to be a bust. Another Idea would be a trade for boldin out of Arizona. The cardinals would get they're deep threat in Coles, and we would get our tough guy in Boldin. Boldin was injured last season so I hoped that brought down his trade value. Bye Coles Hello Boldin I don't know what would happen, knowing snyder we may still be in the picture for the Moss trade now... __________________ That got ugly fast

02-22-2005, 03:25 PM	#2
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Lets make a deal It seems that Coles is pushing to become a free agent, I don't believe we would actually aquire any type of deal other than just letting him go. Maybe the only deal I see, is telling his agent...we'll let Coles be a free agent and go to any team of his choosing so as long as he makes it easier on us, salary cap wise. Otherwise, I'm thinking about the only way out would be for him to retire. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

02-22-2005, 03:50 PM	#3
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Lets make a deal id trade coles for a different position, cuz i think we could get a better player from another position. if we trader WR for WR, their skills prolly wouldnt match up well since coles has a bad toe and we are desperate. id trade him for DE abraham or a good DT/CB, maybe even a safety. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

02-22-2005, 04:24 PM	#12
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 52 Posts: 2,665	Re: Lets make a deal And as far as the likelyhood of the trade goes...do you see any teams lining up to trade for Mushin Muhamed right now? Nope, becasue they know that Carolina is going to cut him. Trading Coles is nonsense...the Redskins are going to look into it for sure becasue they would be stupid to at least not explore every avenue. But in the end they will find cool trade waters and come to the realization that they need to just cut ties with LC and move on...

02-22-2005, 04:25 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,427	Re: Lets make a deal Well, it's not like we're getting $5M in cap space, we're just getting $5M taken off his cap hit. We won't be getting off scott free, but the hit won't be as severe. Instead of a $9M cap hit, we might be looking at $3-4. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-22-2005, 04:30 PM	#15
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 52 Posts: 2,665	Re: Lets make a deal Maybe I don't understand this fully, but if he gives back 5 million we take the other 3 against our cap this year like you said but we then have a 35 million dollar player off our books after this season. So maybe they don't get a full 5 million to use right now, but they are wiping off a big contract for only a 3 million dollar dead money charge. This should help the cap situation in the future when experts were speculating cap problems for the Redskins. Basically, what i am trying to say is they have to get helped capwise by this at some point assuming he gives money back.

Lets make a deal

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