Redskins' Purported Ideal Starters

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-26-2004, 11:43 AM

According to the Washington Times, the following is what Gibbs, Cerrato, and Snyder envision as the starting lineup:

Dline: Wynn, Coleman (Raiders FA), Griffin (Giants FA), Kearse (Titans FA)
LBs: Arrington, Trotter, Holdman (Bears FA)
CBs: Smoot, Springs (Seahawks FA)
SS/FS: Bowen, Taylor (I think?)

Oline: Samuels, Dockery, ???, Thomas, Jansen
WRs: Coles, Gardner
TE: Kleinsasser (Vikings FA)
QB: Brunell (Jaguars Trade)/Ramsey
RB: Portis (Broncos Trade)
FB: Johnson

Not bad at all, I don’t see any major holes

JWsleep · 02-26-2004, 11:47 AM

Wow! Can they really do this? What does it mean for us in the longer term (3-4 years)? Will they have to restructure Samuels to make it go? Looks pretty good to me, and I would love to *GET* Taylor. He'd make up for the champ loss, and make the whole secondary better, to say nothing of his hitting and run support.

MTK · 02-26-2004, 11:48 AM

No Wistrom? I think he'd be a great fit and would be much cheaper than Kearse.

redwagonskins · 02-26-2004, 11:52 AM

that does look nice but it seems we always win the preseason superbowl and few actual games. Remember the Bruce Smith/ Deion days? We couldn't lose, right? This looks great but we need to get some consistency especially on d-line so guys learn they can count on the guy next to them. If not, we'll just keep going through this carousel every off-season.

MTK · 02-26-2004, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by redwagonskins

that does look nice but it seems we always win the preseason superbowl and few actual games. Remember the Bruce Smith/ Deion days? We couldn't lose, right? This looks great but we need to get some consistency especially on d-line so guys learn they can count on the guy next to them. If not, we'll just keep going through this carousel every off-season.

The biggest difference is we never had a coaching staff like this one. I'd be willing to bet things would have been much different in 2000 if Gibbs was here.

Gmanc711 · 02-26-2004, 12:01 PM

As would I, we just fell apart in the middle of the year, that has to do somthing with coaching. We were 5-2 and on top of the world, with Gibbs it would have been different. Plus all the FA's there were older. Yeah but we need the math done on that, cause that could be expensive

drew54 · 02-26-2004, 02:38 PM

Johnson at full back?!?!? What about The ROCK?

beg8878 · 02-26-2004, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by redwagonskins

that does look nice but it seems we always win the preseason superbowl and few actual games. Remember the Bruce Smith/ Deion days? We couldn't lose, right?

I actually bet a friend that we would go no worse than 13-3 that year with Deion and Co. What an ass I looked like.

as far as that list. If we took out Kearse and added a more blue collar type player who costs less (i.e. wistrom), I would be happier. I am just a little nervous about "the freak" getting hurt. and where did this talk about Cornelius Griffin come from. I haven't heard anything about him until just now. I would like to get him. I still think he is going to be a pretty good player. He had alot of hype coming into the past two years and disappointed, but he is still young and is a big body.

BDBohnzie · 02-27-2004, 11:09 AM

you don't have to draft a punter...i have 2 words for you...Brooks Barnard. He was a 4 year starter at Maryland, and probably one of the best punters in the country as a Senior...and i believe a free agent.

Drkstar · 02-27-2004, 11:24 AM

who is this Colman dude from Oakland???

I am looking at the Raiders roster and there is no one by that last name...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/roster?team=oak

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 02-26-2004, 11:52 AM

WAIT! You all are forgetting about a HUGE hole in the lineup - We don't have a punter!

We're soooo screwed!

Seriously - can some of you smart guys do the math on a lineup like this before we all get excited and speculative on it? I don't see how the salary cap would allow for all of them....
:confused:

JWsleep · 02-26-2004, 11:55 AM

What's the link to the times article?

JWsleep · 02-26-2004, 11:56 AM

Duh. It's on the newswire. Thanks, RF.

AnonEmouse · 02-26-2004, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ade Jimoh Fan Club

WAIT! You all are forgetting about a HUGE hole in the lineup - We don't have a punter!

We're soooo screwed!

Look for a trade of the #5 pick for other picks. Then look for us to draft a punter. In the end there's still FA. Nobody can seriously say we are screwed before the trades and FA moves take place, let alone the draft.

Chill, have faith.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-26-2004, 12:03 PM

We still have a 5th round pick which could be used for a good punter or we could go after someone via trade/FA. I'm sure there will be someone.

I think all of these signings could be done for relatively reasonable amount of money without screwing our cap (except the Kearse deal). They are also targeting Deon Grant of the Panthers and maybe they'd take Udeze instead of Taylor in the draft.

As to the idea of getting Wistrom, while I like it, he's going to be very expensive and doesn't give us the pass rush we need (like Kearse will).

02-26-2004, 11:43 AM	#1
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Redskins' Purported Ideal Starters According to the Washington Times, the following is what Gibbs, Cerrato, and Snyder envision as the starting lineup: Dline: Wynn, Coleman (Raiders FA), Griffin (Giants FA), Kearse (Titans FA) LBs: Arrington, Trotter, Holdman (Bears FA) CBs: Smoot, Springs (Seahawks FA) SS/FS: Bowen, Taylor (I think?) Oline: Samuels, Dockery, ???, Thomas, Jansen WRs: Coles, Gardner TE: Kleinsasser (Vikings FA) QB: Brunell (Jaguars Trade)/Ramsey RB: Portis (Broncos Trade) FB: Johnson Not bad at all, I don’t see any major holes

02-26-2004, 11:47 AM	#2
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,702	Wow! Can they really do this? What does it mean for us in the longer term (3-4 years)? Will they have to restructure Samuels to make it go? Looks pretty good to me, and I would love to GET Taylor. He'd make up for the champ loss, and make the whole secondary better, to say nothing of his hitting and run support. __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-26-2004, 12:01 PM	#6
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 38 Posts: 7,506	As would I, we just fell apart in the middle of the year, that has to do somthing with coaching. We were 5-2 and on top of the world, with Gibbs it would have been different. Plus all the FA's there were older. Yeah but we need the math done on that, cause that could be expensive __________________ #21

02-27-2004, 11:09 AM	#9
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	you don't have to draft a punter...i have 2 words for you...Brooks Barnard. He was a 4 year starter at Maryland, and probably one of the best punters in the country as a Senior...and i believe a free agent. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

02-26-2004, 11:55 AM	#12
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,702	What's the link to the times article? __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-26-2004, 11:48 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,427	No Wistrom? I think he'd be a great fit and would be much cheaper than Kearse.

02-26-2004, 11:52 AM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	that does look nice but it seems we always win the preseason superbowl and few actual games. Remember the Bruce Smith/ Deion days? We couldn't lose, right? This looks great but we need to get some consistency especially on d-line so guys learn they can count on the guy next to them. If not, we'll just keep going through this carousel every off-season.

02-26-2004, 02:38 PM	#7
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 41 Posts: 1,324	Johnson at full back?!?!? What about The ROCK?

02-27-2004, 11:24 AM	#10
Drkstar Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19	who is this Colman dude from Oakland??? I am looking at the Raiders roster and there is no one by that last name... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/roster?team=oak

02-26-2004, 11:52 AM	#11
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	WAIT! You all are forgetting about a HUGE hole in the lineup - We don't have a punter! We're soooo screwed! Seriously - can some of you smart guys do the math on a lineup like this before we all get excited and speculative on it? I don't see how the salary cap would allow for all of them.... :confused:

02-26-2004, 11:56 AM	#13
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,702	Duh. It's on the newswire. Thanks, RF. __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-26-2004, 12:03 PM	#15
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	We still have a 5th round pick which could be used for a good punter or we could go after someone via trade/FA. I'm sure there will be someone. I think all of these signings could be done for relatively reasonable amount of money without screwing our cap (except the Kearse deal). They are also targeting Deon Grant of the Panthers and maybe they'd take Udeze instead of Taylor in the draft. As to the idea of getting Wistrom, while I like it, he's going to be very expensive and doesn't give us the pass rush we need (like Kearse will).

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