6 Turnovers= A poorly coached team

[Stacks42]

Teams that are coached well dont have 6 turnovers or numerous mental errors. Gibbs thought it would be a good idea to let his players workout on thier own during the offseason, well here are the results, nagging hamstring injuries (conditioning), fumbles (can be corrected with coaching), and overall lack of contineuety (for some reason campbell and his WRs couldnt find time in the offseason to meet up and throw the ball around), clock management, offsides penalties..... the list goes on.

[BrunellMVP?]

I agree that i'd like to see some more rigidity to the skins offseason schedule...I won't go as far to call them poorly coached...but many of the points you highlighted certainly need to be corrected...

[saden1]

Do we really need a new thread that duplicates topics being discussed in other threads?

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by saden1

Do we really need a new thread that duplicates topics being discussed in other threads?

If the new thread offends you, rather than complaining about the duplicity of the thread, why not let the majority rule its merit? If people don't want to comment on the topic, the thread will die out by itself...

this is not a comment to Saden per se, just a general observation...

[Twilbert07]

I do agree that coaching comes into play today. Here's why: The team started as flat as possible and made terrible mistakes on offense. How could Gibbs & Co. NOT have had them ready to play with all that is at stake in the wild card race?

It was another game where we took off a half, only this time we took off the first half. That's coaching.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Moss stretched out for extra yards and got the ball knocked out. I don't see how that is the coaches fault. Either you want our guys to stretch out for those extra yards and risk losing the ball, or you want them to play it safe and secure the ball with both hands at the expense of extra yards. Seems funny that the "we hate conservative play" crowd has the balls to attack the players for not being conservative and going for extra yards.

Jason Campbell lost a fumble when his arm was coming forward because Samuels didn't sustain a block. Yeah, JC should know better than to expose the ball when throwing the ball.

Jason Campbell threw two ill-advised passes and got picked. On one pick JC threw to Moss' outside shoulder instead of the inside shoulder. I'm not sure how JC's inaccuracy is Gibbs' fault. The other pick took place when JC underthrew Moss. So Gibbs et al are to blame for JC not putting enough mustard on the ball?

Portis' fumbles are simply inexcusable. But, it's not as though Portis has had a fumbling problem these past few years.

I heard Gibbs is also to blame for the Titanic going down, was in on 9/11, and masterminded Katrina. People can accuse me of drinking Kool-Aid for this post, but whatever. I've got to call out idiocy when I see it.

[Rock Your Face]

I will grant you that the Moss fumble was a sort of freak thing. However, regardless of whether Samuels failed to sustain a block or not, JC does bring the ball low before delivering a pass, and he does get stripped a lot. A failure to correct a recurring problem is a coaching flaw. Gibbs allowed all the players to work out on their own this off-season, but he also allowed CP to take off the entire pre-season. The result? It took Portis 5 or 6 games into the regular season to get up to speed. If Portis does not want to play pre-season games, fine, but Gibbs better be damn sure he is going to be ready when the season starts.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Rock Your Face

I will grant you that the Moss fumble was a sort of freak thing. However, regardless of whether Samuels failed to sustain a block or not, JC does bring the ball low before delivering a pass, and he does get stripped a lot. A failure to correct a recurring problem is a coaching flaw. Gibbs allowed all the players to work out on their own this off-season, but he also allowed CP to take off the entire pre-season. The result? It took Portis 5 or 6 games into the regular season to get up to speed. If Portis does not want to play pre-season games, fine, but Gibbs better be damn sure he is going to be ready when the season starts.

I seem to recall an awful lot of people getting angry with Gibbs for exposing Portis to injury in the preseason and then watching Portis go down with a shoulder injury. So Gibbs is dumb for using Portis in the preseason and getting him injured AND for not using him in the preseason?

[skins1973]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Moss stretched out for extra yards and got the ball knocked out. I don't see how that is the coaches fault. Either you want our guys to stretch out for those extra yards and risk losing the ball, or you want them to play it safe and secure the ball with both hands at the expense of extra yards. Seems funny that the "we hate conservative play" crowd has the balls to attack the players for not being conservative and going for extra yards.

Jason Campbell lost a fumble when his arm was coming forward because Samuels didn't sustain a block. Yeah, JC should know better than to expose the ball when throwing the ball.

Jason Campbell threw two ill-advised passes and got picked. On one pick JC threw to Moss' outside shoulder instead of the inside shoulder. I'm not sure how JC's inaccuracy is Gibbs' fault. The other pick took place when JC underthrew Moss. So Gibbs et al are to blame for JC not putting enough mustard on the ball?

Portis' fumbles are simply inexcusable. But, it's not as though Portis has had a fumbling problem these past few years.

I heard Gibbs is also to blame for the Titanic going down, was in on 9/11, and masterminded Katrina. People can accuse me of drinking Kool-Aid for this post, but whatever. I've got to call out idiocy when I see it.

If you are going to continue to defend Joe Gibbs and company ask yourself why the Redskins have nothing to show for his 4 years? They are now in last place in year 4, in years 1 & 2 they also finished in last place, in a 4 team division to finish in last twice and a possible 3rd time in a few weeks, so who's fault?

I want to know WHO you blame for this 4 years if not the coaching. It may not seem it but it took me a long to to blame Gibbs, I am forever grateful for the joy he brought me in the past, but he is bringing me misery now.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skins1973

If you are going to continue to defend Joe Gibbs and company ask yourself why the Redskins have nothing to show for his 4 years? They are now in last place in year 4, in years 1 & 2 they also finished in last place, in a 4 team division to finish in last twice and a possible 3rd time in a few weeks, so who's fault?

I want to know WHO you blame for this 4 years if not the coaching. It may not seem it but it took me a long to to blame Gibbs, I am forever grateful for the joy he brought me in the past, but he is bringing me misery now.

2004 and 2006 were definitely ugly, there's no question about that, but how about the 2005 playoff win? And you've written off 2007 (typical for a Redskins fan) as though it's over.

I have always believed that this is a QB-driven league. We haven't had a QB since Gibbs I. We haven't done well for 2 or more years in a row since Gibbs I. We now have a promising, if inconsistent, QB under center. We have shown promise and inconsistency this year. Get my drift?

[Skins_FanFL]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Moss stretched out for extra yards and got the ball knocked out. I don't see how that is the coaches fault. Either you want our guys to stretch out for those extra yards and risk losing the ball, or you want them to play it safe and secure the ball with both hands at the expense of extra yards. Seems funny that the "we hate conservative play" crowd has the balls to attack the players for not being conservative and going for extra yards.

Jason Campbell lost a fumble when his arm was coming forward because Samuels didn't sustain a block. Yeah, JC should know better than to expose the ball when throwing the ball.

Jason Campbell threw two ill-advised passes and got picked. On one pick JC threw to Moss' outside shoulder instead of the inside shoulder. I'm not sure how JC's inaccuracy is Gibbs' fault. The other pick took place when JC underthrew Moss. So Gibbs et al are to blame for JC not putting enough mustard on the ball?

Portis' fumbles are simply inexcusable. But, it's not as though Portis has had a fumbling problem these past few years.

I heard Gibbs is also to blame for the Titanic going down, was in on 9/11, and masterminded Katrina. People can accuse me of drinking Kool-Aid for this post, but whatever. I've got to call out idiocy when I see it.

Well said. Play selection, that's coaching. Fumbles, that's on the field stuff.

[Texanskin]

I disagree. gibbs wasn't on the field fumbling. I love campbell but he throws ''young qb'' ints. that's not coaching but experience. gibbs chewed them out at halftime and they responded. now that's coaching.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Texanskin

I disagree. gibbs wasn't on the field fumbling. I love campbell but he throws ''young qb'' ints. that's not coaching but experience. gibbs chewed them out at halftime and they responded. now that's coaching.

Gibbs wasn't on the field throwing TDs in the Super Bowl, but we all say he won three throphies. Some of the sloppy play has to go back to coaching, or at least making sure the right players are in the game and dropping the ball like S. Moss.

[MTK]

How are fumbles a coaching issue???

Wow.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How are fumbles a coaching issue???

Wow.

With Campbell, I say coaching does come into play. Now that he's fumbled in several of the last games, someone needs to coach him up about holding onto the ball and feeling the pressure.