JG or GM?

SmootSmack · 04-25-2005, 03:32 PM

Would you give up Gibbs to have a proven GM and not so proven Head Coach?

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TheMalcolmConnection · 04-25-2005, 03:34 PM

No. Gibbs brings so much more to the table than a knowledge of talent.

CROOKEDSKINS · 04-25-2005, 03:34 PM

Got To Keep Gibbs He Will Get Us There

SkinsRock · 04-25-2005, 03:46 PM

No way. Gotta stick with Gibbs...he knows talent. Besides Brunell, his track record so far is pretty damn good! So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if I don't agree with something they do.

Also, people always talk about "needing a GM", but sorry, these guys don't grow on trees and it is just as hard to find good ones as it is with head coaches....usually, the good, proven ones are taken.

Red Robert · 04-25-2005, 03:50 PM

I get the feeling this will be a landslide dont you? GIBBS

Redskins_P · 04-25-2005, 03:44 PM

Gibbs all the way.......

MTK · 04-25-2005, 03:45 PM

Surprise, surprise

Gibbs

SmootSmack · 04-25-2005, 04:01 PM

I don't buy into the "we need a GM" theory. For one thing I don't even know what people mean by that. I think some would just be happy to have someone with that official title.

However, it's constantly brought up here that we need a GM, and like I said in another thread I don't think Gibbs would be here if he wasn't the final decision maker on football decisions (somewhere in the distance, a curmudgeon speaks of Snyder-Coles-and big screen TVs). So I was just curious if anyone would say they'd give Gibbs up for say Terry Robiskie and Charley Casserly

firstdown · 04-25-2005, 04:09 PM

I vote Gibbs we have a GM and thats Dany boy.

EternalEnigma21 · 04-25-2005, 04:10 PM

Not a chance you give up on Gibbs. Now if he wanted to bring in a GM, I wouldn't be opposed to that, but hell, I dont even care if he has 5 losing seasons here before he hangs it up.... He came back and put his heart into our team and thats all we can ask as fans from anyone. And if anyone's heart is in the right place when it comes to our team... its Joe Gibbs. I think we're in good hands.

djdunick · 04-25-2005, 06:46 PM

I guess I'm the lone dissenter, I worshipped the ground Gibbs walked on but I think he might be in over his head trying to do coaching and other duties. He most certainly can't keep track of what's going on with the cap and I believe that we need a true GM. That idiot Cerrato should go back to working NFL game day on ESPN. Gibbs most success came when he had 2 great GM's Bethard and Casserly and this should be the structure we have now. As a 6-10 team we do not have the luxury of a QB project that might pan out in the future. We had other pressing needs.

ArringtonRules · 04-25-2005, 07:22 PM

I completly agree with you. Look at all the coaches who tried to be GM and a coach. They failed miserably. gibbs should concentrate on one thing whether it be coaching or GM. Seeing his draft his year especially Campbells selection makes me worry about him as a GM though. Look at Holmgreen, Shannahan and Marty who all tried to be GM n coach but did not succeed as much as they did when they were just coaching.
I have a scenario for u. What if Gibbs becomes a Gm and Greg Williams becomes a head coach. I could see that happening down the road. don't know whether it would be a great thing or not..

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Originally Posted by djdunick

I guess I'm the lone dissenter, I worshipped the ground Gibbs walked on but I think he might be in over his head trying to do coaching and other duties. He most certainly can't keep track of what's going on with the cap and I believe that we need a true GM. That idiot Cerrato should go back to working NFL game day on ESPN. Gibbs most success came when he had 2 great GM's Bethard and Casserly and this should be the structure we have now. As a 6-10 team we do not have the luxury of a QB project that might pan out in the future. We had other pressing needs.

wolfeskins · 04-25-2005, 07:45 PM

this has not been a bad offseason. we lost pierce and smoot , who cares, they were good players but every team loses good players. the skins have signed and drafted better players than were lost this offseason. the worst thing about this offseason is taylor and moss not being at the voluntary workouts and that is not gibbs fault. gibbs has been nothing but great for the skins . last years draft was good and so was this years.

Grayacre · 04-25-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

this has not been a bad offseason ... the skins have signed and drafted better players than were lost this offseason.

Really? What position did the 'Skins upgrade this offseason? As far as I can tell, there's not a legitimate upgrade at any position. It's arguable that neither Moss nor Patten is even as good as Coles. We have yet to see how Rogers stacks up against Smoot. Pierce will be sorely missed. Where's the upside?

SC Skins Fan · 04-25-2005, 08:36 PM

I think this question is really setting up a straw man. Why couldn't the Redskins have Gibbs and a quality GM? Casserly was here at the end of Gibbs' last run and obviously Bobby Bethard was GM before him. Dan Snyder's unwillingness to reliquish the reins of control to anyone - except maybe Gibbs - seems to me to constitute the fundamental problem.

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04-25-2005, 03:32 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	JG or GM? Would you give up Gibbs to have a proven GM and not so proven Head Coach? vote __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-25-2005, 03:34 PM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 19,218	Re: JG or GM? No. Gibbs brings so much more to the table than a knowledge of talent. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-25-2005, 03:34 PM	#3
CROOKEDSKINS Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: KEY WEST FL Age: 51 Posts: 93	Re: JG or GM? Got To Keep Gibbs He Will Get Us There

04-25-2005, 03:46 PM	#4
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 54 Posts: 907	Re: JG or GM? No way. Gotta stick with Gibbs...he knows talent. Besides Brunell, his track record so far is pretty damn good! So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if I don't agree with something they do. Also, people always talk about "needing a GM", but sorry, these guys don't grow on trees and it is just as hard to find good ones as it is with head coaches....usually, the good, proven ones are taken.

04-25-2005, 03:50 PM	#5
Red Robert Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 54 Posts: 306	Re: JG or GM? I get the feeling this will be a landslide dont you? GIBBS

04-25-2005, 03:44 PM	#6
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Re: JG or GM? Gibbs all the way.......

04-25-2005, 03:45 PM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,427	Re: JG or GM? Surprise, surprise Gibbs

04-25-2005, 04:01 PM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: JG or GM? I don't buy into the "we need a GM" theory. For one thing I don't even know what people mean by that. I think some would just be happy to have someone with that official title. However, it's constantly brought up here that we need a GM, and like I said in another thread I don't think Gibbs would be here if he wasn't the final decision maker on football decisions (somewhere in the distance, a curmudgeon speaks of Snyder-Coles-and big screen TVs). So I was just curious if anyone would say they'd give Gibbs up for say Terry Robiskie and Charley Casserly __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-25-2005, 04:09 PM	#9
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: JG or GM? I vote Gibbs we have a GM and thats Dany boy.

04-25-2005, 04:10 PM	#10
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: JG or GM? Not a chance you give up on Gibbs. Now if he wanted to bring in a GM, I wouldn't be opposed to that, but hell, I dont even care if he has 5 losing seasons here before he hangs it up.... He came back and put his heart into our team and thats all we can ask as fans from anyone. And if anyone's heart is in the right place when it comes to our team... its Joe Gibbs. I think we're in good hands.

04-25-2005, 06:46 PM	#11
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 62 Posts: 141	Re: JG or GM? I guess I'm the lone dissenter, I worshipped the ground Gibbs walked on but I think he might be in over his head trying to do coaching and other duties. He most certainly can't keep track of what's going on with the cap and I believe that we need a true GM. That idiot Cerrato should go back to working NFL game day on ESPN. Gibbs most success came when he had 2 great GM's Bethard and Casserly and this should be the structure we have now. As a 6-10 team we do not have the luxury of a QB project that might pan out in the future. We had other pressing needs.

04-25-2005, 07:45 PM	#13
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: JG or GM? this has not been a bad offseason. we lost pierce and smoot , who cares, they were good players but every team loses good players. the skins have signed and drafted better players than were lost this offseason. the worst thing about this offseason is taylor and moss not being at the voluntary workouts and that is not gibbs fault. gibbs has been nothing but great for the skins . last years draft was good and so was this years.

04-25-2005, 08:36 PM	#15
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: JG or GM? I think this question is really setting up a straw man. Why couldn't the Redskins have Gibbs and a quality GM? Casserly was here at the end of Gibbs' last run and obviously Bobby Bethard was GM before him. Dan Snyder's unwillingness to reliquish the reins of control to anyone - except maybe Gibbs - seems to me to constitute the fundamental problem.

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