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Old 12-01-2005, 01:44 PM   #1
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Gibbs vs. Spurrier -- stats about even?

By now, we’re all well aware of the fact that Gibbs thus far has only been able to match Steve Spurrier’s record of 11-16 at this point in his second stint as head coach. But according to my local paper this morning, the Virginian-Pilot, here are some other troubling stats you may not be aware of…

In games decided by seven points or less, Spurrier’s team was 7-10. Under Gibbs, they’re 8-12.

In two seasons, Spurrier’s Redskins were penalized 240 times. Gibbs is on pace for 224.

With Gibbs at the helm, the Skins average 116 yards per game rushing. Under Spurrier – it’s 111.

Spurrier’s offensive line allowed 81 sacks over two seasons. With Gibbs and Bugel as coaches – with a more mobile quarterback -- they’re projected to allow 79.

I don’t know how anyone can’t be disappointed at this. Would we all have given Steve Spurrier another year to work things out since many appear to give Gibbs a free pass at this point?
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Old 12-01-2005, 01:49 PM   #2
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Re: Gibbs vs. Spurrier -- stats about even?

I think Spurrier certainly had the potential to be a good NFL coach, but Joe Gibbs has proven he could do it. Further, the players seem to believe that Joe Gibbs can do it.

Those are interesting stats though. I wonder what it is that this team is lacking...
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Old 12-01-2005, 02:08 PM   #3
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I think Spurrier certainly had the potential to be a good NFL coach, but Joe Gibbs has proven he could do it. Further, the players seem to believe that Joe Gibbs can do it.

Those are interesting stats though. I wonder what it is that this team is lacking...
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Old 12-01-2005, 02:17 PM   #4
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Re: Gibbs vs. Spurrier -- stats about even?

all of those stats gibbs is better in, even slightly but all the stats together this is a stronger team. Also compare gibbs' second year to steves because last year our offense sucked and STILL we have more yards per game on the ground and less sacks, this year we are a much better team than last year and all of those stats are offensive stats and last years offense was pretty damn bad and might pull down some of those stats
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Old 12-01-2005, 02:37 PM   #5
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i think the people in washington were willing to give spurrier one more year but there is NO comparison between coaches,none
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Old 12-01-2005, 02:42 PM   #6
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i also believe spurrier could have been a better NFL coach given another year. i think in the long run however, even in his second stint JG is far and away a better coach overall.
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Old 12-01-2005, 02:55 PM   #7
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Re: Gibbs vs. Spurrier -- stats about even?

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By now, we’re all well aware of the fact that Gibbs thus far has only been able to match Steve Spurrier’s record of 11-16 at this point in his second stint as head coach. But according to my local paper this morning, the Virginian-Pilot, here are some other troubling stats you may not be aware of…

In games decided by seven points or less, Spurrier’s team was 7-10. Under Gibbs, they’re 8-12.

In two seasons, Spurrier’s Redskins were penalized 240 times. Gibbs is on pace for 224.

With Gibbs at the helm, the Skins average 116 yards per game rushing. Under Spurrier – it’s 111.

Spurrier’s offensive line allowed 81 sacks over two seasons. With Gibbs and Bugel as coaches – with a more mobile quarterback -- they’re projected to allow 79.

I don’t know how anyone can’t be disappointed at this. Would we all have given Steve Spurrier another year to work things out since many appear to give Gibbs a free pass at this point?
It may be more interesting to see a compare of year #2 for each
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I was all for giving Spurrier another year, I don't think any coach can be fairly judged in just 2 seasons.

What disturbed me about Spurrier was the lackadasical approach he had to coaching. From his initial comments about other NFL coaches working too hard, to not knowing the names of his own players, to Jansen stating they didn't even have gameplans week to week.

Spurrier's teams didn't show 1/4 of the heart and fight that Gibbs' teams have, and that all starts with the mentality that the head coach instills in the team.
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Old 12-01-2005, 03:05 PM   #9
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I'll never forget what Spurrier said on his last Coach's Radio Show on 980am.. The last question he was asked was :

"Coach is there anything optimistic you can say to the fans for next year?"

OBC "Welp..............not much"
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Old 12-02-2005, 09:53 PM   #10
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I'll never forget what Spurrier said on his last Coach's Radio Show on 980am.. The last question he was asked was :

"Coach is there anything optimistic you can say to the fans for next year?"

OBC "Welp..............not much"
I remember hearing that with my dad on the way down to their final game. We looked at each other and said that doesn't sound like a guy who's coming back next year.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:01 PM   #11
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Another thing to consider is that under Spurrier the team regressed from year one to two in spite of ostensibly improving its talent level, whereas with Gibbs the team has definately gotten better in spite of losing several key players. So I think its misleading to look at the aggregate two year stats for both coaches and act as if they are equal, when clearly the coaches moved the teams in different directions during season two.
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:28 PM   #12
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Another thing to consider is that under Spurrier the team regressed from year one to two in spite of ostensibly improving its talent level, whereas with Gibbs the team has definately gotten better in spite of losing several key players. So I think its misleading to look at the aggregate two year stats for both coaches and act as if they are equal, when clearly the coaches moved the teams in different directions during season two.
I don't know that the Skins were all that much improved talent wise from 2002 to 2003, the two game difference proves that. If you look at the stats from each of the two years that TAFKAS posted, you'll see that Spurrier suffered from a bad defense especially when Marvin Lewis left.

One more thing, season two for Gibbs isn't over yet...
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:23 PM   #13
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I remember hearing that with my dad on the way down to their final game. We looked at each other and said that doesn't sound like a guy who's coming back next year.
Yeah, but the thing about that comment was that it turned out to be true. The Skins did one game better after he left. That's grasping for optimism if you ask me.
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Old 12-01-2005, 03:22 PM   #14
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Re: Gibbs vs. Spurrier -- stats about even?

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What disturbed me about Spurrier was the lackadasical approach he had to coaching. From his initial comments about other NFL coaches working too hard, to not knowing the names of his own players, to Jansen stating they didn't even have gameplans week to week.

Spurrier's teams didn't show 1/4 of the heart and fight that Gibbs' teams have, and that all starts with the mentality that the head coach instills in the team.
That's the bottom line. Gibbs is getting max effort from every one of these guys. Gibbs has actually spent the better part of his first 2 years UN-doing the culture that Spurrier created while he was here, and he's done a great job.
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Old 12-01-2005, 03:29 PM   #15
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That's the bottom line. Gibbs is getting max effort from every one of these guys. Gibbs has actually spent the better part of his first 2 years UN-doing the culture that Spurrier created while he was here, and he's done a great job.
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