Talent Evaluation?

[offiss]

It's becoming more apparent that Gibbs is having a real tough time without a real genious in talent evaluation in Beathard at his side, he's finding out that it's much harder to do whatever you want on offense when you don't have an O-line that dominates opposing defensive lines everytime you take the field, yes Gibbs [ when injuries were not a factor ] enjoyed that kind advantage for a decade back in the 80's.

Now we spend 161 million dollars on 3 player's, Portis, Arrington, and Brunell, trade away next years draft for Campbell, and discard Ramsey who may at some point in his carreer prove to be the best of the bunch.

Guess what, it doesn't work without dominant lines, that is the key to football, offensive, and defensive line play, when you have that you don't need 68 million $ LB's, you don't need 50 mil $ RB's, and you don't need a 35 year old 43 mil $ QB, as the skins of the 80's proved time and again. Great lines make winners out of decent players, great D-lines keep blockers off your LB's, great O-lines open holes for decent RB's, they also allow your QB time to get comfortable and look downfield for recievers, while providing him a reliable running game.

Us? Well we now have probably the most talented trio of QB's in the league, while Williams tries week in and week out to figure out a way to stop offenses without a D-line, and guess what theres no help on the way because Gibbs just had to have Campbell, like he just had to have Portis, as well as Brunell!

And yes it's official Portis is even less talented than I thought when we traded for him, I have watched him to many times run right into the backs of our lineman and then cut to the hole that he should have hit instantly, not all our problems lie with our line with the running game, Portis is not a special back by any means.

It's to bad we gave up next years draft, I hear Gibbs is now interested in Dayne, and all denver want's is Sean Taylor, and a #2.

You can't win in the NFL if you can't evaluate, and draft winning talent, and other than Cooley, Taylor was a no brainer, in 2 years what do we really have through the draft? 3 players, one of which Rogers has yet to become a starter.

Yes Gibbs recieved all the glory, but it's becoming more apparent with every game that Beathard was greatly underestimated in the success that Gibbs enjoyed throughout the 80's.

[Bushead]

Where did you hear Gibbs was interested in Dayne?

The draft has been a big dissapointment through the past few years; Gibbs drafted a few players only to cut them the following year.

[ST21]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Where did you hear Gibbs was interested in Dayne?

The draft has been a big dissapointment through the past few years; Gibbs drafted a few players only to cut them the following year.

If the Redskins even think about trading Sean Taylor away, I would walk away from the team I have loved all my life....please, the problem is that, lets play not to lose attitude....maybe we should, take some notes from the Bears.....play to win, and do whatever it takes

[heybigstar]

Sean Taylor and a #2 for Ron Dayne?
If we do that, we are retarded. Denver LOVES to trade with us.

I think you are right about the talent evaluation. Another thing to point out is that there was no salary cap during Gibbs I. If we locked up all that money in 56, 8, and 26, we would still be able to add some good, young D-Line men.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by heybigstar

Sean Taylor and a #2 for Ron Dayne?
If we do that, we are retarded. Denver LOVES to trade with us.

I think you are right about the talent evaluation. Another thing to point out is that there was no salary cap during Gibbs I. If we locked up all that money in 56, 8, and 26, we would still be able to add some good, young D-Line men.

He's being sarcastic about the ST/Ron Dayne trade.

[djnemo65]

Has anyone else noticed that people on this site don't really get sarcasm?

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Has anyone else noticed that people on this site don't really get sarcasm?

yeah but i believe that it is hard to notice sarcasim in text, saying it with the exagerrations of voice make it easier to tell.

Now hasn't this topic been discussed to death, don't we have a hit miss group of people or something like that. Aren't we suppossed to talk about this in the offseason or atleast until the season is "over"?.....oh i get it

With the exeption of this years draft, because the players must prove themselves, i think we have done a hell of a job since gibbs got here. We do have a number one this year, we just used it allittle earlier, we picked up Campbell and he is now developed over some rook. We got rogers who showed all ya'll that he is the shiznitt yesterday

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Has anyone else noticed that people on this site don't really get sarcasm?

I notice it constantly...but I dont want it to change cause it makes me laugh at people getting worked up over sarcastic non-rumors. And laughter at work is at a premium.

[skinsguy]

Post a link of proof of what you've heard.

[Beemnseven]

offiss, behind the constant change in coaching, sub-par drafts are the main reasons for this organization hovering at or below the .500 mark since the 2000 season.

Snyder and Cerrato are pathetic judges of talent in the NFL today. If it's Gibbs truly calling the shots now in terms of personnel moves, then he has much to learn.

But I too would like to see a link about Gibbs' interest in Ron Dayne.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

offiss, behind the constant change in coaching, sub-par drafts are the main reasons for this organization hovering at or below the .500 mark since the 2000 season.

Snyder and Cerrato are pathetic judges of talent in the NFL today. If it's Gibbs truly calling the shots now in terms of personnel moves, then he has much to learn.

But I too would like to see a link about Gibbs' interest in Ron Dayne.

Is there anything or anyone you like in this organization? I am not questioning your "fanship" by any means, but you don't seem to care much for the coaching staff, front office, or any of our players.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Is there anything or anyone you like in this organization? I am not questioning your "fanship" by any means, but you don't seem to care much for the coaching staff, front office, or any of our players.

I like Joe Gibbs, but I don't like the way this team is performing under his guidance. I like Snyder's desire to win, but I don't like his and Cerrato's judgement of player personnel.

My opinion of the players varies from week to week.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Is there anything or anyone you like in this organization? I am not questioning your "fanship" by any means, but you don't seem to care much for the coaching staff, front office, or any of our players.

Well I like our cheerleaders. :headbange


In all seriousness, I am one of the guy's who does like Snyder, we have an owner who will do whatever to win, how many teams can say that? Further more he has handed the reigns over to Gibbs and allowed the buck to stop with him, to blame Snyder right now is popular but not fair.

I like G.Williams, tremendous coach, as for the players Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Washington, C.Clemons, Clark, Griffen, and of coarse both of our favorite, Ramsey. There are plenty of others I just usually focus in on the big money guy's who play like minimum wage players.

and yes I was kidding around about Dayne, I actually had a good laugh when I saw how many guys took that serious, sorry for the confusion.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well I like our cheerleaders. :headbange

In all seriousness, I am one of the guy's who does like Snyder, we have an owner who will do whatever to win, how many teams can say that? Further more he has handed the reigns over to Gibbs and allowed the buck to stop with him, to blame Snyder right now is popular but not fair.

I like G.Williams, tremendous coach, as for the players Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Washington, C.Clemons, Clark, Griffen, and of coarse both of our favorite, Ramsey. There are plenty of others I just usually focus in on the big money guy's who play like minimum wage players.

Fair nuff.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well I like our cheerleaders. :headbange


In all seriousness, I am one of the guy's who does like Snyder, we have an owner who will do whatever to win, how many teams can say that? Further more he has handed the reigns over to Gibbs and allowed the buck to stop with him, to blame Snyder right now is popular but not fair.

I like G.Williams, tremendous coach, as for the players Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Washington, C.Clemons, Clark, Griffen, and of coarse both of our favorite, Ramsey. There are plenty of others I just usually focus in on the big money guy's who play like minimum wage players.

and yes I was kidding around about Dayne, I actually had a good laugh when I saw how many guys took that serious, sorry for the confusion.

I do appreciate what Dan does as far as spending cash to get players. However, like I said in a previous thread, we need a GM to make the decisions to what players to spend the cash on. We need better people evaluating talent, whether its free agent talent or college talent. Good teams build through the draft examples : Philly, NE, Cincinnati, Indy, Dallas, NY Giants, all these teams draft there current core or star players, then maybe they add a piece or two that brings them over the top, ala Philly last season w/ TO and Kearse. When we have Vinny, and Pepper Rogers, along w/ the Dan and Joe picking talent its just not a good mix. None of those guys are going to tell Joe that he is picking the wrong guy or trading away useful picks for OLD PLAYERS!.