Instant replay of Brunell the crossing line of scrimmage

htownskinfan · 10-09-2005, 09:58 PM

Has anybody heard any of the sports shows or announcers talking about this call? Probably not because it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but what if Brunell had thrown a touchdown on the play?

I didn't know that penalties could be called on instant replay (which is exactly what happened). There was no flag thrown on the field. So how is that reviewable? Am I missing something?

dblanch66 · 10-09-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

has anybody heard any of the sports shows or announcers talking about this call? probably not because it didnt affect the outcome,but what if Brunell had threw a td on the play,I didnt know instant replay could call a penalty which is exactly what happened,there was no flag thrown on the field so how is that reviewable? am I missing something?

EXACTLY! There was no flag and then replay can call a penalty?? What's up with that??

EternalEnigma21 · 10-09-2005, 10:00 PM

I thought the same thing, but I don't know if there are different rules on the booth's challenges and the coache's callenges or not.

mooby · 10-09-2005, 10:05 PM

wasn't it inside the two minutes? if then the challenge came from the booth, not from the field.

Sociofan · 10-09-2005, 10:09 PM

Still, there was no call on the field to challenge! I'm a little suspicious of this one myself.

monk81 · 10-09-2005, 10:10 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/990526replaytechnology.html
NFL introduces Instant Replay technology
1999 Rules of Replay
Coaches challenge: Outside the final two minutes of each half, each team will be permitted two challenges per game that will initiate referee reviews. Each challenge will cost a team a time-out. If a challenge is upheld, the time-out will be restored, but the challenge will not. No challenges will be recognized from a team that has exhausted its time-outs.

Final two minutes of each half: After the two-minute warning of each half, and throughout any overtime period, any referee review will be initiated by the replay assistant in the replay booth in the press box. He can initiate as many review requests as he thinks necessary, no matter how many time-outs the teams may have. No time-out will be charged for a review initiated from the replay booth.

Referee review: All replay reviews will be conducted by the referee on a field-level monitor after consultation with the other covering officials on the play. A decision will be reversed only when the referee has indisputable visual evidence that the call should be changed. The referee cannot initiate a replay in any instance.

Time limit: Reviews will be a maximum of 90 seconds, timed from when the referee puts on the head phones to the replay booth.

Reviewable plays: The instant replay system will cover a variety of plays in three main areas — 1) sideline, goal line, end zone, and end-line plays; 2) passing plays; and 3) other detectable infractions, such as a runner ruled down not by defensive contact, and the number of players on the field.

HailSkins81 · 10-09-2005, 10:31 PM

I was signing on to ask this same question. I understood they could review a spot, whether there was a reception, fumble, etc, but not a penalty that was not called on the field.

How many times has there been pass interference not called. They never went to the review box to decide on whether there was a penalty or not.

skinsguy · 10-09-2005, 10:39 PM

Yeah, there is something to that. After all, if the refs can review a penality, then I think it's only fair that coaches should be able to challenge any obvious bad penality call as well.

HailSkins81 · 10-09-2005, 10:51 PM

That should be a new rule next year. Each team should be allowed an additional challenge per game for a bad penalty or non penalty call.

skinsguy · 10-09-2005, 10:53 PM

If the NFL is going to make rules where a ref's penality call cannot be challenged, then they should not be able to review a play and then throw a penality...especially since there was no penality called in the first place.

dblanch66 · 10-09-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

If the NFL is going to make rules where a ref's penality call cannot be challenged, then they should not be able to review a play and then throw a penality...especially since there was no penality called in the first place.

Right. You can't use IR to CALL a penalty. Bunch of horse crap. I've never seen it before.

HailSkins81 · 10-09-2005, 10:59 PM

I think this is the first time I have seen a non penalty call reviewed.

I have seen it for spot, touchdown/no touchdown, fumble/no fumble, completion/incompletion.

Unless as the previous post quoted, this falls within one of the reviewable infractions. I haven't heard of this. Wouldn't that have to mean that a coach could challenge if a qb was over the line of scrimmage, as well?

#56fanatic · 10-13-2005, 11:16 PM

The play is reviewable just as a forward pass or lateral is reviewable. Its one of the only plays that can be reviewed without a penalty called, and can be called after reviewed.

dblanch66 · 10-14-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The play is reviewable just as a forward pass or lateral is reviewable. Its one of the only plays that can be reviewed without a penalty called, and can be called after reviewed.

Since when? How do you know that? Where is the rule?

skins052bgr8 · 10-14-2005, 10:02 AM

Was the pass complete or incomplete during that play. I can see if it was complete or for a TD or a 1st down they would be able to review because it makes a dramatic change, but if it was incomplete no foul no harm. Brunell should have tucked it and run if I remeber right he had 1 defender in front of him and 1 blocker and about 4 or 5 yards to get the 1st. I guess though if you can review under those circumstances if it was a TD they can do it the other way and rule a penalty as wierd as it sounds and does not make a lot of sense.

10-09-2005, 09:58 PM	#1
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,906	Instant replay of Brunell the crossing line of scrimmage Has anybody heard any of the sports shows or announcers talking about this call? Probably not because it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but what if Brunell had thrown a touchdown on the play? I didn't know that penalties could be called on instant replay (which is exactly what happened). There was no flag thrown on the field. So how is that reviewable? Am I missing something? Last edited by Sheriff Gonna Getcha; 10-14-2005 at 01:32 AM.

10-09-2005, 10:00 PM	#3
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage I thought the same thing, but I don't know if there are different rules on the booth's challenges and the coache's callenges or not.

10-09-2005, 10:05 PM	#4
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,446	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage wasn't it inside the two minutes? if then the challenge came from the booth, not from the field. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

10-09-2005, 10:10 PM	#6
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage http://www.nfl.com/news/990526replaytechnology.html NFL introduces Instant Replay technology 1999 Rules of Replay Coaches challenge: Outside the final two minutes of each half, each team will be permitted two challenges per game that will initiate referee reviews. Each challenge will cost a team a time-out. If a challenge is upheld, the time-out will be restored, but the challenge will not. No challenges will be recognized from a team that has exhausted its time-outs. Final two minutes of each half: After the two-minute warning of each half, and throughout any overtime period, any referee review will be initiated by the replay assistant in the replay booth in the press box. He can initiate as many review requests as he thinks necessary, no matter how many time-outs the teams may have. No time-out will be charged for a review initiated from the replay booth. Referee review: All replay reviews will be conducted by the referee on a field-level monitor after consultation with the other covering officials on the play. A decision will be reversed only when the referee has indisputable visual evidence that the call should be changed. The referee cannot initiate a replay in any instance. Time limit: Reviews will be a maximum of 90 seconds, timed from when the referee puts on the head phones to the replay booth. Reviewable plays: The instant replay system will cover a variety of plays in three main areas — 1) sideline, goal line, end zone, and end-line plays; 2) passing plays; and 3) other detectable infractions, such as a runner ruled down not by defensive contact, and the number of players on the field. __________________ "It's absolutely criminal, in my opinion, that Monk has yet to be enshrined (in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame)" Dan Arkush PFW Last edited by monk81; 10-09-2005 at 10:33 PM.

10-09-2005, 10:31 PM	#7
HailSkins81 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage I was signing on to ask this same question. I understood they could review a spot, whether there was a reception, fumble, etc, but not a penalty that was not called on the field. How many times has there been pass interference not called. They never went to the review box to decide on whether there was a penalty or not.

10-09-2005, 10:09 PM	#5
Sociofan Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gainesville, VA Age: 59 Posts: 380	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage Still, there was no call on the field to challenge! I'm a little suspicious of this one myself.

10-09-2005, 10:39 PM	#8
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage Yeah, there is something to that. After all, if the refs can review a penality, then I think it's only fair that coaches should be able to challenge any obvious bad penality call as well. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-09-2005, 10:51 PM	#9
HailSkins81 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage That should be a new rule next year. Each team should be allowed an additional challenge per game for a bad penalty or non penalty call.

10-09-2005, 10:53 PM	#10
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage If the NFL is going to make rules where a ref's penality call cannot be challenged, then they should not be able to review a play and then throw a penality...especially since there was no penality called in the first place. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-09-2005, 10:59 PM	#12
HailSkins81 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage I think this is the first time I have seen a non penalty call reviewed. I have seen it for spot, touchdown/no touchdown, fumble/no fumble, completion/incompletion. Unless as the previous post quoted, this falls within one of the reviewable infractions. I haven't heard of this. Wouldn't that have to mean that a coach could challenge if a qb was over the line of scrimmage, as well?

10-13-2005, 11:16 PM	#13
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: instant replay on Brunell crossing line of scrimmage The play is reviewable just as a forward pass or lateral is reviewable. Its one of the only plays that can be reviewed without a penalty called, and can be called after reviewed.

10-14-2005, 10:02 AM	#15
skins052bgr8 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 288	Re: Instant replay of Brunell the crossing line of scrimmage Was the pass complete or incomplete during that play. I can see if it was complete or for a TD or a 1st down they would be able to review because it makes a dramatic change, but if it was incomplete no foul no harm. Brunell should have tucked it and run if I remeber right he had 1 defender in front of him and 1 blocker and about 4 or 5 yards to get the 1st. I guess though if you can review under those circumstances if it was a TD they can do it the other way and rule a penalty as wierd as it sounds and does not make a lot of sense.

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