Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[Kope]

I post about once every 5 years

Jay Gruden needs to have the balls to sit Griffin for the rest of the season and have the Skins as an organization move past RGIII. That was the most ineffective QB play I have seen in decades.

Gruden is the coach I have been happiest with since Schottenhimer.....That was the last times the TEAM bought in btw...(IMO)

DJax should have had a monster game..
Morris was a beast.
Defense played well till late.
Special teams was in the + category (turnover).

We need more Gruden. We need Less RGIII

**** BTW I accept the first two picks as part of the game. It is the shit play after that wich has me pissed****

[donofriose]

I agree RG3 isn't good... but the reason this team sucks is more than RG3.

[spAtt]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I agree RG3 isn't good... but the reason this team sucks is more than RG3.

It goes much deeper then RG3, but he is a problem.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by spAtt

It goes much deeper then RG3, but he is a problem.

Completely agree.

[SolidSnake84]

I've said it since day 1 and today seems like a good day to re-hash my thoughts.

They got a pig in a poke with RG3 - he is not the whole problem with the team but he is a big problem. I'm not sure if the Redskins can win with this guy. They've won games with Cousins, and with Colt McCoy. Lots of people will say "oh look at the 2012 season" but i think it was just a fluke and now we are seeing the REAL RG3

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I've said it since day 1 and today seems like a good day to re-hash my thoughts.

They got a pig in a poke with RG3 - he is not the whole problem with the team but he is a big problem. I'm not sure if the Redskins can win with this guy. They've won games with Cousins, and with Colt McCoy. Lots of people will say "oh look at the 2012 season" but i think it was just a fluke and now we are seeing the REAL RG3

Cousins and McCoy are trash as well. This team is trash and Allen's track record of not being able to build a team is obviously hindering this organization.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I've said it since day 1 and today seems like a good day to re-hash my thoughts.

They got a pig in a poke with RG3 - he is not the whole problem with the team but he is a big problem. I'm not sure if the Redskins can win with this guy. They've won games with Cousins, and with Colt McCoy. Lots of people will say "oh look at the 2012 season" but i think it was just a fluke and now we are seeing the REAL RG3

Not really a fluke, just a case of defensive coordinators taking a while to adjust to the dual threat quarterback types that buy extra time with their legs. Look at Russell Wilson, his early numbers have fallen off. Colin Kaepernick was tearing it up production wise in the play-offs in 2012 when he didn't even have 10 starts under his belt, now Kaepernick is putting up average numbers. Unfortunately Griffin isn't even putting up average numbers, and even when his numbers look ok in the box score what you see on the field looks worse. He is just another QB who relied on physical talents that has been exposed when defenses contain his mobility and force him to make quicker decisions. So far he can't cope, missing easy throws, taking drive killing sacks and turning the ball over.

[Hijinx]

The thing is the are only 2 possibilities:

1) is the answer at QB and is just rusty, unpolished, needs time, better O-line, more training, experience a hug or whatever. In this case you have to start him to give him playing time

2) Rg3 will never be a good NFL pocket passer. In this case you still start him every game this year because you still aren't sure about #1, because it does not matter this year is shot anyway, draft position, and finally Colt is probably not the answer.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

The thing is the are only 2 possibilities:



1) is the answer at QB and is just rusty, unpolished, needs time, better O-line, more training, experience a hug or whatever. In this case you have to start him to give him playing time



2) Rg3 will never be a good NFL pocket passer. In this case you still start him every game this year because you still aren't sure about #1, because it does not matter this year is shot anyway, draft position, and finally Colt is probably not the answer.

Id like to believe option one simply because it would be one less (very important) piece of the puzzle we need, but imo even with all the other pieces in place Griff just is not a good qb. As i said in the gameday thread, missing wide open wr's can be blamed on rust, but not seeing them game after game after game can not.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Robert is horrible. 1-9 in his last 10 starts or something like that...um Danny Boy, it may be about time to get with reality here.

Still no pass rush unless we leave the corners on an island. We don't have a good enough secondary to do that.

This team makes bad teams look good.

[skinsfaninok]

Guys it's the same no Matter who the coach is, Gibbs and shanny couldn't even fix this bullshit. It's on Snyder whatever he does never works, Bruce allen is trash and hasn't made the team better at all. . Same shit different yr nothing changes no matter who is our hc.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Guys it's the same no Matter who the coach is, Gibbs and shanny couldn't even fix this bullshit. It's on Snyder whatever he does never works, Bruce allen is trash and hasn't made the team better at all. . Same shit different yr nothing changes no matter who is our hc.

Snyder has been great and personally I miss Vinny. I mean who can forget the genius Zorn interview when Danny and Vinny identified whether or not Zorn could do it.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Kope

I post about once every 5 years

Jay Gruden needs to have the balls to sit Griffin for the rest of the season and have the Skins as an organization move past RGIII. That was the most ineffective QB play I have seen in decades.

Gruden is the coach I have been happiest with since Schottenhimer.....That was the last times the TEAM bought in btw...(IMO)

DJax should have had a monster game..
Morris was a beast.
Defense played well till late.
Special teams was in the + category (turnover).

We need more Gruden. We need Less RGIII

**** BTW I accept the first two picks as part of the game. It is the shit play after that wich has me pissed****

I agree. Griffin is clearly not who we thought he was. I'm learning that you don't take a quarterback second overall in the draft when that quarterback didn't play in a pro style offense in college. Griffin's real draft value was a mid 2nd round-late 3rd round pick.....we gambled foolishly on him.

[Evilgrin]

They have a worse record with Cousins as a starter. We have nothing at Qb. The reason we stink is the front office and Snyder period.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

They have a worse record with Cousins as a starter. We have nothing at Qb. The reason we stink is the front office and Snyder period.

Exactly. Different players and coaches... yet the same results.