Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth

[Alvin Walton]

“Then, it got to the point where he said, ‘I don’t want to play first- and second-down nickel. I just want to play third-down nickel.’ Oh my God, you’re relegating yourself to 10-15 snaps a game. Then after that he didn’t want to do the blitzes, he just wanted to rush.”



NFL.com news: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth

[Ruhskins]

I still don't get why the team insists on keeping this guy. Just get rid of him.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still don't get why the team insists on keeping this guy. Just get rid of him.

It's simple. He ****ed with the wrong guy. You don't try to make a power play with Mike Shanahan and walk away a winner. You don't take a $20 million dollar check, then tell the guy to his face that you are going to do whatever he asks and renege on the deal when it comes time for you to perform. He's making an example out of Al, and one I endorse. (up to a particular point)

I posted this before, but I think it's worth the repost.


DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN


DT calls Shanahan 'little man' - NFL - ESPN

'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN

Look at the case with Daryl Gardner to find out exactly what's going to happen to big boy. Instead of it being a circus, he's just going to suspend fat boy and keep him at home. (paid if he has to)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's simple. He ****ed with the wrong guy. You don't try to make a power play with Mike Shanahan and walk away a winner. You don't take a $20 million dollar check, then tell the guy to his face that you are going to do whatever he asks and renege on the deal when it comes time for you to perform. He's making an example out of Al, and one I endorse. (up to a particular point)

I posted this before, but I think it's worth the repost.


DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN


DT calls Shanahan 'little man' - NFL - ESPN

'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN

Look at the case with Daryl Gardner to find out exactly what's going to happen to big boy. Instead of it being a circus, he's just going to suspend fat boy and keep him at home. (paid if he has to)

Mike Shanahan was brought here to win and not to discipline fat lazy head cases. If Shanahan doesn't get rid of him, in my opinion it will be a failure from his part to not be able to move on from this circus. I don't get why people are so hell bent on "oh let him rot on the bench" or "oh he f'ed with the wrong guy". WHO THE HELL CARES?! I'm sick and tired of hearing about this guy and the people who insists on keeping him on the team.

Mike Shanahan's #1 biggest mistake so far is trading for McNabb. Second biggest mistake? Keeping this circus alive. Nothing positive will come from keeping this mistake on the team. Sh*t, trade him for a 7th rounder or some back up o-lineman. I don't care about this guy and the only news I want to hear is that he has been traded or cut.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Mike Shanahan was brought here to win and not to discipline fat lazy head cases.

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)

Well Mike Shanahan brought McNabb, which ironically this move was similar to what the old regime used to do.

For Mike Shanahan to win, he needs to get rid of players that aren't up to par, bring new players that get with his plan, and win. Keeping Haynesworth as a distraction is not part of it. All that would tell me is that MS takes things personally and he lets his ego dictate his actions.

And Haynesworth will be a distraction, Kevin Sheehan alone will make sure that it is.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.

Exactly! A firm foundation must be laid by a firm hand. He needs to show everyone, in exponential terms, that he runs the show and no BS will be tolerated. To do that, you need to make some examples of problem players to set the tone for the greater good (rest of the team) before you have a winning culture.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.

I am not positive about this but I think that option is not available.

When the Eagles sent T.O. home for the year, the NFLPA filed some sort of grievance and the NFLPA won. I believe that the most a team can do is to suspend a player for 4 games for "being a distraction" or things like that. After that, I believe the player has to be put back on the team or released.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

This everything to do with $$$$. He's doing whatever he can to get released (not traded) so he can go after another big payday elsewhere.

Could Haynesworth be headed to the Eagles?

"Although Haynesworth's contract is worth $100 million, he's already received $35.6 million of that from the Redskins, and his base salaries the next two years are relatively modest -- $5.4 million in 2011 and $6.7 million in 2012. He's due $28.5 million in 2013, including a $20 million bonus, so whoever takes on his contract -- if anybody does -- is virtually certain to release him after the 2012 season."

AH knows he'll never see that 28.5 from the Skins, he's trying to cash another 8-figure check before he's done. He has no desire to play football (in any scheme), he only cares about getting paid.

As much as I'd love to bury the POS on the bench, make his life hell, and ruin his career, if he doesn't want to play and only cares about money we still need to pay the guy if he's on the roster. If he goes out and takes a nap in the middle of plays, there isn't much we can do. At this point it's probably best to cut our losses get as much as we can for him in a trade and move on.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

and his base salaries the next two years are relatively modest -- $5.4 million in 2011 and $6.7 million in 2012.

I'm almost willing to guarantee that nobody will even pay him those types of figures after this point. Not after his act here in DC. I think the next contract he gets is going to be heavily incentive laden.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm almost willing to guarantee that nobody will even pay him those types of figures after this point. Not after his act here in DC. I think the next contract he gets is going to be heavily incentive laden.

He'll likely get out of here and get either a fat contract from a coach/team that had a positive experience with him and chalk up his poor attitude/performance to the regime change/3-4 in DC. Or, as you mentioned, get a 1 yr. incentive deal, play well and get another fat payday next off-season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still don't get why the team insists on keeping this guy. Just get rid of him.

Easier said than done. Snyder is not going to let this joke of a person walk away and sign with another team after paying him almost 40 mil for a handful of games played. As much as I wish he'd go away I kind of side with the Redskins on this.

[bigdaddy2348]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still don't get why the team insists on keeping this guy. Just get rid of him.

You already paid him. Don’t give him the opportunity to go some where else and get this grand revelation that he wants to be a team player, so he can get paid again. I say keep him long enough for him do something else dumb and get suspended from the league and have to pay some of the bonus money back.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by bigdaddy2348

You already paid him. Don’t give him the opportunity to go some where else and get this grand revelation that he wants to be a team player, so he can get paid again. I say keep him long enough for him do something else dumb and get suspended from the league and have to pay some of the bonus money back.

He doesn't have to do anything else, he's going to get suspended by the league when it resumes. Beating up a motorist, and now the sexual assault allegations (compounded with his prior past) is going to lead to a suspension. I'd bet good money on it.

[SBXVII]

I'm usually the one of the fans who claim we need to get what ever we can from him, but since this years FA went to hell in a hand basket and we couldn't pick up a draft pick for him I'm kinda in the mood of just cutting him.

My only other option is to keep making him suffer if we are not paying him a ton of money and let him rot on the bench. Heck he doesn't want to play more then 10-15 plays a game lets just minimize it more and make him water boy. Maybe he can hand out the Gatorade to all the players who actually want to play when then come off the field. Then (my optimism is kicking in) if the team makes the SB or wins it the team can deactivate him so he won't get a ring.