Skins' QB in 2005?

MTK · 11-15-2004, 09:53 AM

vote and discuss

Redskins_P · 11-15-2004, 10:40 AM

Ramsey all the way. This franchise has gone through QB's like freaking underwear. We need continuity at the position and I feel like Ramsey is the man. He still has a lot to learn, but he has all the talent to become a succesful QB in the NFL. Stick with Ramsey....

djnemo65 · 11-15-2004, 10:50 AM

I voted for Ramsey, but I do think that is subject to change contingent upon his performance over these last seven games. Indeed, we are really gonna find out alot about how well suited he is to run this offense. Especially over the next two weeks where those blitz happy pa teams are gonna try and exploit his immobility by throwing the whole team at him. So I expect him to do well, but we'll see. As good as he was at the beginning last year, once teams figured out you could blitz him without repercussion he was never the same (I know that is largely Spurrier's fault). So we'll see.

irish · 11-15-2004, 10:50 AM

It has to be other. Its obvious now why gibbs had reservations about putting PR into the game. Maybe getting to start a game will change PR's performance for the better, but I doubt it. MB is done. The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.

Beemnseven · 11-15-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.

Well, if Gibbs drafts a QB next year, I can guarantee you he won't see the field during regular season play in '05. Gibbs was famous for drafting QBs only to have them hold the clipboard for 2-3 years, and that was after one to two years on injured reserve.

Clearly though, things in the NFL today are much different than they were during the 1980's. The rules of free agency and the salary cap will definitely change the way Gibbs "farms" his quarterbacks.

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 11-15-2004, 05:13 PM

for all intensive purposes,ramsey had a good game.on the other hand,if the bengals dbs had better hands,he would have thrown at least 8 ints yesterday.

i do'nt think it would be fair to NOT let ramsey start the rest of the season.

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 11-15-2004, 05:16 PM

i do think the skins need a gm badly.gibbs is a great coach,but if not for beatheard and casserley,and the scouts.he would have been just another coach.

Beemnseven · 11-15-2004, 10:55 AM

Kitna? Brees? Has there been talk of these guys coming to Washington that I missed? Isn't Kitna under contract for a while in Cincy?

I voted other, only because Ramsey obviously doesn't fit the bill for Gibbs, otherwise we would have seen him starting in Week 1. Unless Ramsey really turns the corner and becomes the franchise quarterback that we all expected when he was drafted, (which I highly doubt -- this franchise seems to be doomed when it comes to developing our own quarterbacks) I think Gibbs will either bring in someone else or go back with Mark Brunell. Believe it or not, barring Mark Brunell's retirement or injury, I don't think Gibbs is ready to give up on the man that he personally hand picked as soon as he returned as head coach.

MTK · 11-15-2004, 10:47 AM

I'm hoping it's Ramsey.

He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim.

Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.

Defensewins · 11-15-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

...He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim.

Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.

I hope Ramsey works out. However you seem to be preparing a ready made excuse in case he does not do well. He has had plenty of time running this offense. All the QB schools this summer, the entire training camp and preseason. Lets not kid ourselves, if Ramsey is not ready by now, it is his own fault. You make it sound like he has not taken snap in months. He gets plenty of work in practice.

MTK · 11-15-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I hope Ramsey works out. However you seem to be preparing a ready made excuse in case he does not do well. He has had plenty of time running this offense. All the QB schools this summer, the entire training camp and preseason. Lets not kid ourselves, if Ramsey is not ready by now, it is his own fault. You make it sound like he has not taken snap in months. He gets plenty of work in practice.

I'm not making excuses for him I'm just saying don't be surprised if he struggles a bit. Gibbs put all of his eggs in one basket with Brunell this year, Ramsey has been left on the shelf for the most part.

As for him getting plenty of work in practice I guess that's true if you consider 10% of the snaps and running the practice squad a lot of work.

Let him work as the starter for a few weeks and we'll see where he stands. Something tells me he'll be much better off with more work with the first team.

Beemnseven · 11-15-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As for him getting plenty of work in practice I guess that's true if you consider 10% of the snaps and running the practice squad a lot of work.

Do we know that this is the case? 10% of snaps is all Ramsey has been getting?

There is one positive thing to remember -- did anyone else notice Ramsey getting into a pretty good rhythm with Laveranues Coles in the 4th quarter? On one drive Coles caught 3 out of 4 passes, which were mainly 10 yard hook patterns. He and Ramsey seemed to be getting into a pretty good groove there for a while. Rod Gardner though, had one of his less memorable games.

And that was another thing plaguing our team yesterday. Quarterback isn't the only problem with this offense. In addition to the drops from our wideouts, there are still major issues with the offensive line to address. Dockery still seems to be good for either a holding penalty or false start in just about every game. Ditto for Cory Raymer. Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas seem to be holding their own. But Ray Brown is probably running on fumes at right tackle. Whatever happened to Kenyatta Jones?

For all the problems Gibbs is having with his quarterbacks, Joe Bugel is having his own problems with the O-line. Plus, there isn't consistent run blocking that we can depend on when we really need it. Yesterday would have been one of those games when we should have been able to simply hand the ball to Portis, get him his 30 or more carries and hope he can break one.

Point is, quarterback isn't the only problem with this team.

MTK · 11-15-2004, 11:50 AM

I was just throwing out some names, Brees is probably going to be the big name FA in the market and Wilbon mentioned Kitna in his article.

rickmmrr · 11-15-2004, 12:55 PM

Stay with Ramsey.

We don't have the money for a new QB so let coach Gibbs "coach'em up".

He already has the physical tools to be very good. Just needs some help
with the mental tools. Confidence, more pocket presence, better reads, etc.

Shane · 11-15-2004, 12:56 PM

We can't say who should start in 2005 because we don't know what Ramsey is going to do this season. We should not cede this season to Ramsey - he has to earn it. We have another quarterback on the roster, and if Ramsey can't get the team going, then we shouldn't stick with him until the ship sinks under the sea. We should get a new boat - Hasselbeck. If Ramsey shows promise and keeps improving, then let him play.

I don't think we are going to spend a lot in free agency on Brees. If Kitna comes cheap, then he is a possibility. I think at this point we should let Brunell go and take the salary cap hit.

If Ramsey flounders and is not showing promise, then I think we should release him at the end of the season, or trade him if possible. Hopefully, however, his time on the sidelines has given him a chance to master the system mentally. With Brunell fading from the picture, he doesn't have anyone looking over his shoulder in the immediate future.

Now is the time - Ramsey has to show he can be the leader or else we have to let him go and start anew. I wish him luck.

View Poll Results: Who will be the Redskins' starting QB in 2005?
Ramsey	48	75.00%
Brunell	0	0%
Hasselbeck	2	3.13%
Brees	9	14.06%
Kitna	2	3.13%
other	3	4.69%
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11-15-2004, 09:53 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Skins' QB in 2005? vote and discuss

11-15-2004, 05:13 PM	#6
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 61 Posts: 289	for all intensive purposes,ramsey had a good game.on the other hand,if the bengals dbs had better hands,he would have thrown at least 8 ints yesterday. i do'nt think it would be fair to NOT let ramsey start the rest of the season. __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

11-15-2004, 05:16 PM	#7
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 61 Posts: 289	i do think the skins need a gm badly.gibbs is a great coach,but if not for beatheard and casserley,and the scouts.he would have been just another coach. __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

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11-15-2004, 10:40 AM	#2
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Ramsey all the way. This franchise has gone through QB's like freaking underwear. We need continuity at the position and I feel like Ramsey is the man. He still has a lot to learn, but he has all the talent to become a succesful QB in the NFL. Stick with Ramsey....

11-15-2004, 10:50 AM	#3
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	I voted for Ramsey, but I do think that is subject to change contingent upon his performance over these last seven games. Indeed, we are really gonna find out alot about how well suited he is to run this offense. Especially over the next two weeks where those blitz happy pa teams are gonna try and exploit his immobility by throwing the whole team at him. So I expect him to do well, but we'll see. As good as he was at the beginning last year, once teams figured out you could blitz him without repercussion he was never the same (I know that is largely Spurrier's fault). So we'll see.

11-15-2004, 10:50 AM	#4
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	It has to be other. Its obvious now why gibbs had reservations about putting PR into the game. Maybe getting to start a game will change PR's performance for the better, but I doubt it. MB is done. The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.

11-15-2004, 10:55 AM	#8
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Kitna? Brees? Has there been talk of these guys coming to Washington that I missed? Isn't Kitna under contract for a while in Cincy? I voted other, only because Ramsey obviously doesn't fit the bill for Gibbs, otherwise we would have seen him starting in Week 1. Unless Ramsey really turns the corner and becomes the franchise quarterback that we all expected when he was drafted, (which I highly doubt -- this franchise seems to be doomed when it comes to developing our own quarterbacks) I think Gibbs will either bring in someone else or go back with Mark Brunell. Believe it or not, barring Mark Brunell's retirement or injury, I don't think Gibbs is ready to give up on the man that he personally hand picked as soon as he returned as head coach.

11-15-2004, 10:47 AM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I'm hoping it's Ramsey. He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim. Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.

11-15-2004, 11:50 AM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I was just throwing out some names, Brees is probably going to be the big name FA in the market and Wilbon mentioned Kitna in his article.

11-15-2004, 12:55 PM	#14
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	Stay with Ramsey. We don't have the money for a new QB so let coach Gibbs "coach'em up". He already has the physical tools to be very good. Just needs some help with the mental tools. Confidence, more pocket presence, better reads, etc.

11-15-2004, 12:56 PM	#15
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	We can't say who should start in 2005 because we don't know what Ramsey is going to do this season. We should not cede this season to Ramsey - he has to earn it. We have another quarterback on the roster, and if Ramsey can't get the team going, then we shouldn't stick with him until the ship sinks under the sea. We should get a new boat - Hasselbeck. If Ramsey shows promise and keeps improving, then let him play. I don't think we are going to spend a lot in free agency on Brees. If Kitna comes cheap, then he is a possibility. I think at this point we should let Brunell go and take the salary cap hit. If Ramsey flounders and is not showing promise, then I think we should release him at the end of the season, or trade him if possible. Hopefully, however, his time on the sidelines has given him a chance to master the system mentally. With Brunell fading from the picture, he doesn't have anyone looking over his shoulder in the immediate future. Now is the time - Ramsey has to show he can be the leader or else we have to let him go and start anew. I wish him luck.

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