Sources: Gruden the front runner

[PennSkinsFan]

Rick Snider: Gruden atop Snyder's list - DC Pro Sports Report

Rick Snider of the DC Examiner reports that sources have said that former Bucs coach and Monday Night Football commentator Jon Gruden is high atop the wish list of Redskins owner Dan Snyder to replace Jim Zorn. Check that. He appears to be THE choice Snyder would like to bring to the Redskins.

Gruden is willing to deal with Snyderrato in charge. That tells me, expect more fo the same.

[SFREDSKIN]

I hope not. This guy had like 5 different QB's in Tampa Bay and could not decide who he's starter was. Name me a great QB he had? Rich Gannon, Jeff Garcia? PLEASEEE!!! No thanks!!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I hope not. This guy had like 5 different QB's in Tampa Bay and could not decide who he's starter was. Name me a great QB he had? Rich Gannon, Jeff Garcia? PLEASEEE!!! No thanks!!

Another healthy dose of a big mistake. The author got it right, if Gruden were to come here it would only be to get paid. Herein lies the greatest fault that will continue to haunt Snyder.

[SmootSmack]

I guess I'll just merge the posts I had in the Shanahan Rumors thread about Gruden into one post here.

Well this won't please too many people

"Snyder is seeking is a candidate willing to leave major personnel decisions to Cerrato and the owner. NFL sources close to Gruden said that's not an expected deal breaker."

Gruden with Bruce Allen, heck even just Bruce Allen without Gruden, could have been nice. I'm not sure who the sources are who say Gruden is interested in the Redskins, I'm curious to know who they are. Not saying they're wrong but I've got arguably the best source when it comes to Gruden and in the last few weeks this source has repeatedly said "not interested" But...it's only October.

In the short term, I suppose this isn't awful. In the short term perhaps. I can see Gruden firing up the team and getting them top play lights out for a couple of years. But that will fizzle out rather quickly

It's probably not the most ideal scenario

I think part of why VC would stick around is it's just a matter who you get along with, happens all over the place, and Snyder and VC get along. Another, bigger, part of it is that even though VC has been around for the last decade for the most part it's only been the last two years that he had the final authority that he has now. And I know what you're thinking, if he's going to be patient with Cerrato why not Zorn? I don't know the answer. I do still suspect though that he (Cerrato) sooner than later won't have quite the input he does now. Again, unless someone like Jerry Gray becomes our full time head coach...and that would be a stunner.

Chris Mortenson has speculated that Holmgren as GM and Gruden as head coach will end up somewhere together...but not in DC

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I guess I'll just merge the posts I had in the Shanahan Rumors thread about Gruden into one post here.

Well this won't please too many people

"Snyder is seeking is a candidate willing to leave major personnel decisions to Cerrato and the owner. NFL sources close to Gruden said that's not an expected deal breaker."

Gruden with Bruce Allen, heck even just Bruce Allen without Gruden, could have been nice. I'm not sure who the sources are who say Gruden is interested in the Redskins, I'm curious to know who they are. Not saying they're wrong but I've got arguably the best source when it comes to Gruden and in the last few weeks this source has repeatedly said "not interested" But...it's only October.

In the short term, I suppose this isn't awful. In the short term perhaps. I can see Gruden firing up the team and getting them top play lights out for a couple of years. But that will fizzle out rather quickly

It's probably not the most ideal scenario

I think part of why VC would stick around is it's just a matter who you get along with, happens all over the place, and Snyder and VC get along. Another, bigger, part of it is that even though VC has been around for the last decade for the most part it's only been the last two years that he had the final authority that he has now. And I know what you're thinking, if he's going to be patient with Cerrato why not Zorn? I don't know the answer. I do still suspect though that he (Cerrato) sooner than later won't have quite the input he does now. Again, unless someone like Jerry Gray becomes our full time head coach...and that would be a stunner.

Chris Mortenson has speculated that Holmgren as GM and Gruden as head coach will end up somewhere together...but not in DC

I do... Steve Czban (sp) put it perfectly into words today on his radio show. Ill summarize.

Vinny is the only "GM" willing to be Snyder's proxy, Snyder could never relinquish control of the team to any true GM that knows the game. Using Vinny gives the appearance that Danny boy isn't calling the shots. Vinny is obviously a horrible football guy, has no clue how to pick the players or coaches, and he knows this so in order to keep a job, he just lets Snyder pull his strings. Lets face it, Snyder would probably rather sell the team than let someone else have control over football operations.

Thats probably the main reason Marty was one and done...Snyder couldn't handle not having his hands in the cookie jar. And ironically enough that was the one year I thought the Skins were headed in the right direction.

If Vinny goes, what other GM is going to come hear and let Snyder have final say? What coach is going to come hear that isn't allowed to pick their assistants? This franchise is doomed until Snyder puts his ego aside and lets someone who knows what they are doing call the shots.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

I do... Steve Czban (sp) put it perfectly into words today on his radio show. Ill summarize.

Vinny is the only "GM" willing to be Snyder's proxy, Snyder could never relinquish control of the team to any true GM that knows the game. Using Vinny gives the appearance that Danny boy isn't calling the shots. Vinny is obviously a horrible football guy, has no clue how to pick the players or coaches, and he knows this so in order to keep a job, he just lets Snyder pull his strings. Lets face it, Snyder would probably rather sell the team than let someone else have control over football operations.

Thats probably the main reason Marty was one and done...Snyder couldn't handle not having his hands in the cookie jar. And ironically enough that was the one year I thought the Skins were headed in the right direction.

If Vinny goes, what other GM is going to come hear and let Snyder have final say? What coach is going to come hear that isn't allowed to pick their assistants? This franchise is doomed until Snyder puts his ego aside and lets someone who knows what they are doing call the shots.

Agreed. Time for the burgundy revolt!

Thank God for college football.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

I do... Steve Czban (sp) put it perfectly into words today on his radio show. Ill summarize.

Vinny is the only "GM" willing to be Snyder's proxy, Snyder could never relinquish control of the team to any true GM that knows the game. Using Vinny gives the appearance that Danny boy isn't calling the shots. Vinny is obviously a horrible football guy, has no clue how to pick the players or coaches, and he knows this so in order to keep a job, he just lets Snyder pull his strings. Lets face it, Snyder would probably rather sell the team than let someone else have control over football operations.

Thats probably the main reason Marty was one and done...Snyder couldn't handle not having his hands in the cookie jar. And ironically enough that was the one year I thought the Skins were headed in the right direction.

If Vinny goes, what other GM is going to come hear and let Snyder have final say? What coach is going to come hear that isn't allowed to pick their assistants? This franchise is doomed until Snyder puts his ego aside and lets someone who knows what they are doing call the shots.

How long did the Lions keep Matt Millen? Well I guess VS is not that bad.

[skinsfaninok]

At this point i Don't even care anymore..

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

At this point i Don't even care anymore..

If a new coach comes in and still has to work under the thumb of Vinny and Dan I expect a lot of people are going to feel this way, myself included.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

If a new coach comes in and still has to work under the thumb of Vinny and Dan I expect a lot of people are going to feel this way, myself included.

Its Vinny that has caused all this heart ache and pain I feel. Is there anyone going start an on-line petition to fire Vinny. Lets hope soon.

[SBXVII]

I can tell you that as much as I don't like Zorn right now I would be pissed if DS brought in Fassel. I can almost hear his brain now..." The fans will take anyone now so long as they have been a HC before. Now I can finally get the man I wanted all along."

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I can tell you that as much as I don't like Zorn right now I would be pissed if DS brought in Fassel. I can almost hear his brain now..." The fans will take anyone now so long as they have been a HC before. Now I can finally get the man I wanted all along."

At least Fassel has won more and has more balls than Zorn. I don't want Fassel im just saying I'd take him over Zorn. At least he was a HC.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

At least Fassel has won more and has more balls than Zorn. I don't want Fassel im just saying I'd take him over Zorn. At least he was a HC.

I'd take a cardboard cut-out of Fassel over Jim Zorn.

I'd take half-eaten macaroni salad over Jim Zorn.

I'd take a big rock with a smiley face on it over Jim Zorn.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'd take a cardboard cut-out of Fassel over Jim Zorn.

I'd take half-eaten macaroni salad over Jim Zorn.

I'd take a big rock with a smiley face on it over Jim Zorn.

Thats some funny sh*t

[warpaint]

I hope so. Who would Gruden Keyshawn first. I'd say portis and he would want to keep JC at QB.