A must-watch video on Jim Zorn

[Monkeydad]

Located on his NFL.com player profile.

I'm impressed.

Jim Zorn

[Monkeydad]

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

4 09/25/83 WAS L 17-27 1 -- 20 40 50.0 241 6.0 2 1 1 7 75.1 1 12 12.0 0 -- --

4 09/28/80 @ WAS W 14-0 1 -- 7 19 36.8 86 4.5 0 2 1 6 12.1 6 36 6.0 1 -- --

2 09/19/76 @ WAS L 7-31 1 -- 9 20 45.0 128 6.4 0 2 3 25 26.7 7 54 7.7 0 -- --


TOTALS vs. Skins: 1-2 record, 36/79 passing (46%), 455 yds (152/gm), 2 TD, 5 INT, 5 sacks, 37.97 Rating, 102 yds rushing (7.3 per), 1 rushing TD.

The Skins killed him in the 3 times he played against them.

[Beemnseven]

I wonder what would he do now if he saw Jason Campbell running 30 yards behind the LOS trying to "improvise"?

Dude's head would explode.

[roth74va]

Wow Zorn sucked! He never completed 60% of his passes, and had a god awful TD/Int ratio. Im surprised he lasted that long in the NFL, but playing for Seattle then was like playing for a high school team apparently.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by roth74va

Wow Zorn sucked! He never completed 60% of his passes, and had a god awful TD/Int ratio. Im surprised he lasted that long in the NFL, but playing for Seattle then was like playing for a high school team apparently.

Yeah I was kind of thinking the same thing. I wouldn't say he sucked, but he sure wasn't very good. His very best season as a pro was 1978, when his numbers looked about the same as Brunell's in 2005. And throwing 30 more career INTs than TDs is paltry to say the least. 27 INTs in 14 games in 1976. Wow. 18+ INTs in 5 different seasons.

Yeah, I'm glad he's our coach and not our QB.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah I was kind of thinking the same thing. I wouldn't say he sucked, but he sure wasn't very good. His very best season as a pro was 1978, when his numbers looked about the same as Brunell's in 2005. And throwing 30 more career INTs than TDs is paltry to say the least. 27 INTs in 14 games in 1976. Wow. 18+ INTs in 5 different seasons.

Yeah, I'm glad he's our coach and not our QB.

One thing that seems to hold true in football is that your success on the field doesn't necessarily mean that you'll be a good coach. Sometimes it's the worst players that become the best coaches.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by roth74va

Wow Zorn sucked! He never completed 60% of his passes, and had a god awful TD/Int ratio. Im surprised he lasted that long in the NFL, but playing for Seattle then was like playing for a high school team apparently.

He WAS on the expansion Seahawk team. Other than Largent, he had no talent around him in the early years. He actually led them to the playoffs, much sooner than the other '76 expansion team made it. That play where he ran backwards for 30 yards WAS amusing, but it looked like he had to run so much to survive behind that offensive line, or lack of!

I was impressed that he ran for almost 300 a couple of years.

Good or not, he seems to be a very smart QB and hard worker...he's carried it over to coaching. I think he'll actually be a far better coach than QB thankfully. "Those who can't...teach" I guess.

Funny guy too.

[converted seahawk]

expansion teams in '76 were a far cry from the Jacksonville/
Carolina vintage.

They struggled early and he ran for his life. They were always playing from behind in the early years, which may account for a portion the TD/INT ratio.

they played in the AFC west, which meant playing the Raiders Broncos and Chargers twice each. At that time, probably the toughest division in the league. that a tough draw for an expansion team.

Jack Paterra was the head coach, and they ran the 'sprint draw' to death.

JZ was an atheletic QB, no comparison to anyone here,...but always wondered how he may have done in a WC/49er type offense of that time.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I must say he might not have been a good QB, but that milk commercial was funny as hell. DUDE can sing!

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I must say he might not have been a good QB, but that milk commercial was funny as hell. DUDE can sing!

Yeah thats a classic, right up there with Riggo's great commercial!!!

[JoeRedskin]

Also, as for his stats, it was a MUCH different game in the late 70's and early 80's. There is a reason WR's didn't post 100 catch, 1000 yard years at that time. For some of his career mugging WR's was legal and, even when it wasn't, it was called very differently. And the roughing the passer rules? Please - if the QB was still twitching after being hit, it was legal. Plus, the high percentage passing game (i.e. the Bill Walsh offense) didn't come in until later in his career. Throw in the crappy team he played for and his accomplishments are actually pretty amazing.

Not saying the guy would have been a HOF'er somewhere else, just that, perhaps, judging his stats under todays analysis is misplaced.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Also, as for his stats, it was a MUCH different game in the late 70's and early 80's. There is a reason WR's didn't post 100 catch, 1000 yard years at that time. For some of his career mugging WR's was legal and, even when it wasn't, it was called very differently. And the roughing the passer rules? Please - if the QB was still twitching after being hit, it was legal. Plus, the high percentage passing game (i.e. the Bill Walsh offense) didn't come in until later in his career. Throw in the crappy team he played for and his accomplishments are actually pretty amazing.

Not saying the guy would have been a HOF'er somewhere else, just that, perhaps, judging his stats under todays analysis is misplaced.

I agree. Jim Zorn was a good QB in his day. It was a different time with different rules. You could abuse QB's and WR"s all day long and it was legal. Did anyone else notice he didn't have 1 fumble?....For his whole career?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree. Jim Zorn was a good QB in his day. It was a different time with different rules. You could abuse QB's and WR"s all day long and it was legal. Did anyone else notice he didn't have 1 fumble?....For his whole career?

It was probably not official recorded. He actually had 54, according to Pro-Football Reference. He was much better than his successor by a long shot though.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

It was probably not official recorded. He actually had 54, according to Pro-Football Reference. He was much better than his successor by a long shot though.

Ok. I thought that sounded pretty amazing not to have a fumble your whole career.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Also, as for his stats, it was a MUCH different game in the late 70's and early 80's. There is a reason WR's didn't post 100 catch, 1000 yard years at that time. For some of his career mugging WR's was legal and, even when it wasn't, it was called very differently. And the roughing the passer rules? Please - if the QB was still twitching after being hit, it was legal. Plus, the high percentage passing game (i.e. the Bill Walsh offense) didn't come in until later in his career. Throw in the crappy team he played for and his accomplishments are actually pretty amazing.

Not saying the guy would have been a HOF'er somewhere else, just that, perhaps, judging his stats under todays analysis is misplaced.

Very true. Football is hard to compare from decade to decade because the rules have changed so much. It is moronic to compare numbers only. Greatest QB ever? Sammy Baugh or Johnny Unitas. Compared against Trent Green or Sage Rosenfels numbers, they are adequate. If you can't complete 65% now, you aren't an NFL QB. In 1978, no qb completed over 65% of his passes.
I hate that I am an old bastard at 34, but dammit, kids, learn the history of the game.