Portis' average

Drift Reality · 09-16-2004, 01:43 PM

Today's Washington Times carries an article on the holes in the Redskins' offense with the following quote:

"His average gain, a gaudy 5.1 yards, was just 3.0 if you toss out the opening burst."

Although I agree that the passing game still looks a bit lame and Brunell's arm seems to be on par with the Gator QBs we had the last couple years, I'm sick and tired of hearing about how Portis' average wasn't that great - if you take away his long run.

I just think it's a stupid statement. Basically, they are saying, "If you take away the run where Portis made a great read on a play and then outran the entire Tampa defense to the end zone, he had a pretty mediocre day."

How about, "If you take away the fact that the 'Skins scored 35 points in the second quarter of Super Bowl XXII, then we wouldn't have won the game."

Guess what asshole? The Skins DID score 35 points in the second quarter and Portis DID break a 64-yarder. Would it have been better if he had split that run into 2-32 yarders? How about 4-16 yarders? Would that have shut everyone up. Maybe Gibbs should tell Portis to pace himself better and not try to score on such long runs.

JoeRedskin · 09-16-2004, 02:13 PM

Yup. I agree. And, with or without the run, when the game was on the line at the end, Portis ran effectively enough to keep the chains moving. This was Gibbs football.

Didn't he run some little back from Michigan 40 times once (I think it was Joe Morris's little brother).

Joe don't care about the average/carry - Just move them chains.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-16-2004, 02:19 PM

I agree that Portis had a very good game. But, it is nonetheless noteworthy that he averaged 3/ypc without the 64-yard scamper. I do not believe that the run blocking was that good in the preseason and I don't think that it was that good against the Bucs.

So, noting 3/ypc is meaningful IMHO. It is one thing to break off one 95-yard run for one touchdown and have 5-yards on nine other carries, it is another to consistently gain 5 yards on each carry. The running game is important because: (1) it takes time of the clock if you are in the lead, (2) it keeps your defense resting on the sidelines, (3) it keeps the opposing defense working hard, and (4) it keeps the opposing offense off the field. Therefore, it is essential to be able to gain yardage, and first downs, on a consistent basis. You can't get #1-4 above if you are averaging 2.5/ypc and are going 3-and-out as a result; a long run which only takes 10 ticks off of the clock doesn't compensate for a bunch of 4th downs.

That said, I'm sure Bugel will get the run-blocking sorted out; he's certainly got the pass-protection at its best since the Hogs left.

jrocx69 · 09-16-2004, 02:20 PM

jamie morris (#22) if im not mistaken

JoeRedskin · 09-16-2004, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jrocx69

jamie morris (#22) if im not mistaken

Yup. That was him.

MTK · 09-16-2004, 02:41 PM

I'm also tired of hearing about it. The bottom line is what's important, and the bottom line is we won.

It's also worth noting the Bucs aren't exactly a pushover on D and they have one of the best D coordinators in the game. Did anyone really think that running on them was going to be easy??

SmootSmack · 09-16-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Drift Reality

How about, "If you take away the fact that the 'Skins scored 35 points in the second quarter of Super Bowl XXII, then we wouldn't have won the game."

I love it! Nice job Drift

crlesh · 09-16-2004, 03:47 PM

I agree with RamseyFan. Sure, I'll take the win and the big play, but kudos to the coaching staff and players for recognizing that the run-blocking must get better. Gotta have stuff to work on during practice other than Special Teams.

SKINSnCANES · 09-16-2004, 03:53 PM

The important thing to remember is that you cant take away that 64 yd carry. How many times last year did we have big play potential? Portis gives us that big plya potential and is a new aspect that is great to have. The other thing is portis carried teh ball 29 times, thats a ton. He ran out the clock for us. Had betts run the clock out he would have ended up average around 7 a carry. They showed it during the game. How many carries did he have on the last drive or two that were meatn to run out the clock? When the season is over you dont see any of those things. Last year portis might have only average 3 a carry but broke atleast one big on a game, but no one complained that it averaged ou tto 5.5.

JoeRedskin · 09-16-2004, 03:56 PM

Undoubtedly the blocking can be improved. But -- PORTIS RAN THE BALL 29 TIMES.

Looks like the line is going to get ALOT of in game practice on how to block - at the other team's expense.

GoSkins! · 09-16-2004, 04:19 PM

If he breaks another big run in the next game people will shut up. The Buc's have a great D. Not everyone else will.....

Bergman14 · 09-16-2004, 04:20 PM

I agree nobody should consider it a bad day, because of the yard average thing, but it does present concerns. And personally, I think in general it is better to get multiple 15 yard runs then one big one. THat being said do remember it was Tampa Bay, and he did get a lot of carries. Personally I would like to see some more sweeps and toss plays

Defensewins · 09-16-2004, 04:50 PM

Plain and simple, it was a win and Portis was great. I don't care if we win all of the rest of our games by the score of 3-0. We will have won the Super Bowl and that is why we play the game. Like I said in another post, sports writers love flashy QB's and high scoring offense's, because it sells papers.
F- them.
Just win baby. I don't care what it looks like.

Drift Reality · 09-16-2004, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defensewins

sports writers love flashy QB's and high scoring offense's, because it sells papers. F- them.

That's the quote of the day right there.

Shane · 09-16-2004, 05:45 PM

If you are a coach or a player, you will take the 3 yards a carry outside of the long run into perspective, as well as the lack of production in the passing game. You can't improve if you don't look at reality.

We were playing one of the best defenses that the NFL has seen, and you aren't likely to look so sharp against them as you would against a team with an average defense.

However, it is true that our performance does reflect the preseason. We have a long ways to go to reach our potential for this year.

Everything is new and players are still acclimating themselves. We have had a very serious injury that will take awhile to adapt to, as Kenyatta Jones learns the ropes.

Our offensive line needs to improve, and we will have to improve at quarterback.

09-16-2004, 03:53 PM	#9
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	The important thing to remember is that you cant take away that 64 yd carry. How many times last year did we have big play potential? Portis gives us that big plya potential and is a new aspect that is great to have. The other thing is portis carried teh ball 29 times, thats a ton. He ran out the clock for us. Had betts run the clock out he would have ended up average around 7 a carry. They showed it during the game. How many carries did he have on the last drive or two that were meatn to run out the clock? When the season is over you dont see any of those things. Last year portis might have only average 3 a carry but broke atleast one big on a game, but no one complained that it averaged ou tto 5.5. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

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09-16-2004, 01:43 PM	#1
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	Portis' average Today's Washington Times carries an article on the holes in the Redskins' offense with the following quote: "His average gain, a gaudy 5.1 yards, was just 3.0 if you toss out the opening burst." Although I agree that the passing game still looks a bit lame and Brunell's arm seems to be on par with the Gator QBs we had the last couple years, I'm sick and tired of hearing about how Portis' average wasn't that great - if you take away his long run. I just think it's a stupid statement. Basically, they are saying, "If you take away the run where Portis made a great read on a play and then outran the entire Tampa defense to the end zone, he had a pretty mediocre day." How about, "If you take away the fact that the 'Skins scored 35 points in the second quarter of Super Bowl XXII, then we wouldn't have won the game." Guess what asshole? The Skins DID score 35 points in the second quarter and Portis DID break a 64-yarder. Would it have been better if he had split that run into 2-32 yarders? How about 4-16 yarders? Would that have shut everyone up. Maybe Gibbs should tell Portis to pace himself better and not try to score on such long runs. __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

09-16-2004, 02:13 PM	#2
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Yup. I agree. And, with or without the run, when the game was on the line at the end, Portis ran effectively enough to keep the chains moving. This was Gibbs football. Didn't he run some little back from Michigan 40 times once (I think it was Joe Morris's little brother). Joe don't care about the average/carry - Just move them chains.

09-16-2004, 02:19 PM	#3
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	I agree that Portis had a very good game. But, it is nonetheless noteworthy that he averaged 3/ypc without the 64-yard scamper. I do not believe that the run blocking was that good in the preseason and I don't think that it was that good against the Bucs. So, noting 3/ypc is meaningful IMHO. It is one thing to break off one 95-yard run for one touchdown and have 5-yards on nine other carries, it is another to consistently gain 5 yards on each carry. The running game is important because: (1) it takes time of the clock if you are in the lead, (2) it keeps your defense resting on the sidelines, (3) it keeps the opposing defense working hard, and (4) it keeps the opposing offense off the field. Therefore, it is essential to be able to gain yardage, and first downs, on a consistent basis. You can't get #1-4 above if you are averaging 2.5/ypc and are going 3-and-out as a result; a long run which only takes 10 ticks off of the clock doesn't compensate for a bunch of 4th downs. That said, I'm sure Bugel will get the run-blocking sorted out; he's certainly got the pass-protection at its best since the Hogs left.

09-16-2004, 02:20 PM	#4
jrocx69 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Age: 43 Posts: 461	jamie morris (#22) if im not mistaken

09-16-2004, 02:41 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I'm also tired of hearing about it. The bottom line is what's important, and the bottom line is we won. It's also worth noting the Bucs aren't exactly a pushover on D and they have one of the best D coordinators in the game. Did anyone really think that running on them was going to be easy??

09-16-2004, 03:47 PM	#8
crlesh Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA Age: 49 Posts: 142	I agree with RamseyFan. Sure, I'll take the win and the big play, but kudos to the coaching staff and players for recognizing that the run-blocking must get better. Gotta have stuff to work on during practice other than Special Teams.

09-16-2004, 03:56 PM	#10
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Undoubtedly the blocking can be improved. But -- PORTIS RAN THE BALL 29 TIMES. Looks like the line is going to get ALOT of in game practice on how to block - at the other team's expense.

09-16-2004, 04:19 PM	#11
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	If he breaks another big run in the next game people will shut up. The Buc's have a great D. Not everyone else will.....

09-16-2004, 04:20 PM	#12
Bergman14 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winston-Salem Age: 41 Posts: 138	I agree nobody should consider it a bad day, because of the yard average thing, but it does present concerns. And personally, I think in general it is better to get multiple 15 yard runs then one big one. THat being said do remember it was Tampa Bay, and he did get a lot of carries. Personally I would like to see some more sweeps and toss plays

09-16-2004, 04:50 PM	#13
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Plain and simple, it was a win and Portis was great. I don't care if we win all of the rest of our games by the score of 3-0. We will have won the Super Bowl and that is why we play the game. Like I said in another post, sports writers love flashy QB's and high scoring offense's, because it sells papers. F- them. Just win baby. I don't care what it looks like.

09-16-2004, 05:45 PM	#15
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	If you are a coach or a player, you will take the 3 yards a carry outside of the long run into perspective, as well as the lack of production in the passing game. You can't improve if you don't look at reality. We were playing one of the best defenses that the NFL has seen, and you aren't likely to look so sharp against them as you would against a team with an average defense. However, it is true that our performance does reflect the preseason. We have a long ways to go to reach our potential for this year. Everything is new and players are still acclimating themselves. We have had a very serious injury that will take awhile to adapt to, as Kenyatta Jones learns the ropes. Our offensive line needs to improve, and we will have to improve at quarterback.

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