Competition Committee: Playoff reseeding thoughts?

[Daseal]

Hey Guys,

The competition committee is talking about seeding the playoffs based on record rather than division title. How do you feel about this?

Personally, I don't like it. Sure, folks that win a crappy division get a home playoff game -- but someone who plays in an NFC East / AFC South division is rewarded with a home playoff game even though they took bumps and bruises along the way and their record may not necessarily show it.

[Schneed10]

I do like it. There's no reason that a wildcard team that went 11-5 should be seeded lower than a division winner who went 9-7.

Bumps and bruises? What the hell are you talking about, Daseal? Are you trying not to make sense on purpose?

Who cares what the competition is within the division. The bottom line is the team that won more games should get the better seed.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I do like it. There's no reason that a wildcard team that went 11-5 should be seeded lower than a division winner who went 9-7.

Bumps and bruises? What the hell are you talking about, Daseal? Are you trying not to make sense on purpose?

Who cares what the competition is within the division. The bottom line is the team that won more games should get the better seed.

Exactly what I was thinking it makes no sense that a team who wins 11 games has to travel to a place where a team only won 8 or 9.

[sbaughone]

It's stupid. To the victor go the spoils. Let's watch riggo run one more time: On the RAC: Redskins Appreciation Club, the Humurous Redskins' Fan Site..

HAIL Riggo!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by sbaughone

It's stupid. To the victor go the spoils. Let's watch riggo run one more time: [

HAIL Riggo!

It's already in your sig..

[GTripp0012]

I like it because it will make teams that play in a weak division play out the season in order to hold their seed.

If the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had played out the season, they would have finished with more wins than the Giants, probably 11 or so. But because they wrapped up the division in Week 15, they only got 9 wins.

That, in turn, changed our position in the draft. This new rule would at least lend more credence to overall record as a measuring stick of how good a team is because only the top two teams in each conference would be resting their players, and that's the way it should be.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I like it because it will make teams that play in a weak division play out the season in order to hold their seed.

If the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had played out the season, they would have finished with more wins than the Giants, probably 11 or so. But because they wrapped up the division in Week 15, they only got 9 wins.

That, in turn, changed our position in the draft. This new rule would at least lend more credence to overall record as a measuring stick of how good a team is because only the top two teams in each conference would be resting their players, and that's the way it should be.

I agree 100%. Reseed to add a little more competive integrity to the game. Every little bit counts.

[JoeRedskin]

So long as all division winners are automatically entered, I am okay with it. Of course, it penalizes teams that play in tough divisions.

[lwiedy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So long as all division winners are automatically entered, I am okay with it. Of course, it penalizes teams that play in tough divisions.

Off the top, I am against the change, but if you favor this change, why then would winning your division matter? If the point is to reward the best records, then do it all the way or don’t do it at all. Is there any need for divisions at all? Don’t say for proximity regards to scheduling or Dallas wouldn’t be in the NFC East.

As for the Tampa/NY argument regarding resting players, each team has to make that decision and live with the results. Based on 2007, do you think teams in the future will “coast” in the final week like Tampa did and lose in their first game or play hard like the Giants did and carry the momentum all the way. I personally don’t believe you can prove either of the above scenarios really happened, but that certainly was the perception.

This is a copycat/knee-jerk league and the hysteria over this will die as long as they allow it to.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by lwiedy

Off the top, I am against the change, but if you favor this change, why then would winning your division matter? If the point is to reward the best records, then do it all the way or don’t do it at all. Is there any need for divisions at all? Don’t say for proximity regards to scheduling or Dallas wouldn’t be in the NFC East.

As for the Tampa/NY argument regarding resting players, each team has to make that decision and live with the results. Based on 2007, do you think teams in the future will “coast” in the final week like Tampa did and lose in their first game or play hard like the Giants did and carry the momentum all the way. I personally don’t believe you can prove either of the above scenarios really happened, but that certainly was the perception.

This is a copycat/knee-jerk league and the hysteria over this will die as long as they allow it to.

Because the teams that win strong divisions (think Indianapolis) get to beat up on non-division opponents enough to win 13 games every year anyway. They still get first round byes.

[Daseal]

Schneed -- what I'm saying is that a division that's 4 deep will often accumulate more losses due to a tougher schedule then a good team in the NFC South for instance. Winning the division means something right now, if this goes into effect it's definitely diminished.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Schneed -- what I'm saying is that a division that's 4 deep will often accumulate more losses due to a tougher schedule then a good team in the NFC South for instance. Winning the division means something right now, if this goes into effect it's definitely diminished.

To make it more clear, he is pointing out that the rule would actually cut both ways (a good point that I had actually not considered). It is really obvious to point out that the Giants (10-6) had to travel to Tampa (9-7) for the Wildcard Round (a game which the team with the better record still won by the way). But what Daseal is saying is with the new rule it is conceivable that a division winner from the NFC East, who played a more difficult schedule, and finished 10-6 would have to go to (for instance) an NFC West team who failed to win their weak division but still finished 11-5.

As I write this, though, it occurs to me that if two teams in a division finish with 10+ wins (12-4 and 11-5 for example) then maybe the division isn't all that weak. At least two teams are very good (unless the other two teams are just horrible). Still, it seems like the pendulum could swing the other way and then people would be upset that a division winner would fail to get a home game.

I can see the logic for the change, though, and it might even add some spice to the end of the year forcing teams leading weak divisions to continue playing their starters (remember, Tampa pulled Garcia and didn't play him after he went down in the 'Skins game) even though they have the division title (but not a guaranteed home playoff game) wrapped up.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

To make it more clear, he is pointing out that the rule would actually cut both ways (a good point that I had actually not considered). It is really obvious to point out that the Giants (10-6) had to travel to Tampa (9-7) for the Wildcard Round (a game which the team with the better record still won by the way). But what Daseal is saying is with the new rule it is conceivable that a division winner from the NFC East, who played a more difficult schedule, and finished 10-6 would have to go to (for instance) an NFC West team who failed to win their weak division but still finished 11-5.

As I write this, though, it occurs to me that if two teams in a division finish with 10+ wins (12-4 and 11-5 for example) then maybe the division isn't all that weak. At least two teams are very good (unless the other two teams are just horrible). Still, it seems like the pendulum could swing the other way and then people would be upset that a division winner would fail to get a home game.

I can see the logic for the change, though, and it might even add some spice to the end of the year forcing teams leading weak divisions to continue playing their starters (remember, Tampa pulled Garcia and didn't play him after he went down in the 'Skins game) even though they have the division title (but not a guaranteed home playoff game) wrapped up.

As I read your first paragraph, my mind immediately shifted into the thoughts you expressed in the bolded paragraph.

If you went 11-5, or 9-7 for that matter, and DID NOT win your division, then there's no possible way you could consider the division weak. At worst, it'd be mediocre, and more than likely, strong.

Besides, I don't think anyone is arguing that a division winner MISS the playoffs. If you win your division, you still make the playoffs, no matter what. And hence only two wildcard teams get in from each conference, even if there's a 3rd wildcard contender who goes 10-6 and misses out on a spot to a 9-7 division winner. Playoff qualification is not proposed to change, SEEDING is proposed to change.

If you go 8-8 and win your division, you're in the playoffs. But you shouldn't get a home game on top of that.

[MTK]

I don't see the need for this at all. Why fix what isn't broken?

[Yellow31]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't see the need for this at all. Why fix what isn't broken?

couldn't have said it better!