Len "Pasta Belly" Pasquarelli: Focus is on passing with more efficiency

Redskins_P · 07-01-2004, 02:03 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=1832562

skinsfanthru&thru · 07-01-2004, 04:29 PM

I'm guessing the 16th ranked qb league wide was mcnabb, but somehow he's still in one out of every 3 nfl commercials and was voted to the probowl when a player like matt hasselback should have been voted in ahead of him. I might in the minority on this, but I just don't get the mystique of a "qb" who has practically no accuracy and is virtually a running back with the capacity to throw occasionally. a lot of that is the redskin fan in me speaking, but as a fan of the nfl as a whole its not that hard to make that analysis.

Redskins_P · 07-01-2004, 05:26 PM

I totally agree. He's very overrated. I had him on my fantasy team last year, and I finished in last place. For some reason though he always plays well against the Skins. But then again our defense made Troy Hambrick look like a superstar.

Riggo44 · 07-01-2004, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

I totally agree. He's very overrated. I had him on my fantasy team last year, and I finished in last place. For some reason though he always plays well against the Skins. But then again our defense made Troy Hambrick look like a superstar.

You guy's must be nuts! Mcnabb is one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL. I would take him in a heart beat over any QB on our roster!

Redskins8588 · 07-01-2004, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggo44

You guy's must be nuts! Mcnabb is one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL. I would take him in a heart beat over any QB on our roster!

1.) Peyton Manning
2.) Brett Favre
3.) Steve McNair
4.) Daunte Coullpepper (SP)
5.) Trent Green
6.) Aaron Brooks
7.) Tom Brady

Not in any special order, but McNabb is NOT on of the top 5 or even top 7 by far...

Hogskin · 07-03-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

1.) Peyton Manning
2.) Brett Favre
3.) Steve McNair
4.) Daunte Coullpepper (SP)
5.) Trent Green
6.) Aaron Brooks
7.) Tom Brady

Not in any special order, but McNabb is NOT on of the top 5 or even top 7 by far...

Well, I would definitely rate McNabb ahead of Green (benefitting from an awesome OL and running game), Brooks (inconsistent, not a winner), and Brady (also with a very strong offensive supporting cast). McNabb has had the worst set of WR's in the league and a so-so running game and OL the last couple years. A lot of people recognize the amazing job he has done in spite of that, and that is why he is recognized in ratings and PRO BOWL selections. And now that he has ONE quality WR on the team, even Football Guys, historically the most accurate fantasy rating site out there, projects him as the #5 scoring QB in 2004. I wonder where they would rate him if he had the Colts or Rams WR's? Since we've got to get past the Eagles to win the division, I am sure glad that their "D" is poised to implode this year without either of their key cornerbacks.

On the other side of the coin, you can argue that the other 4 really DO belong up there, and that Vick should be added.

Redskins_P · 07-01-2004, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggo44

You guy's must be nuts! Mcnabb is one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL. I would take him in a heart beat over any QB on our roster!

Are you serious? I would take Ramsey over Mcnabb anyday.

skinsfanthru&thru · 07-01-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggo44

You guy's must be nuts! Mcnabb is one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL. I would take him in a heart beat over any QB on our roster!

so u want our team to lose even more than they have the past 8-9 years? almost a 5th of his total tds r on the ground and his career qb rating is only 79.3 while ramsey's coming into his 3rd year is already at 74.2 and brunnels career passer rating is 85.2.

I like redskins8588's list except brooks isn't in the top 8 and you forgot Pettington.

in my opinion the 10 best qbs at this time and their career ratings

1.) Manning=88.1
2.)Brady=85.9
3.)Pettington=95.1
4.)Culpepper=88.0
5.)Mcnair=84.1
6.)Favre=86.9
7.)Garcia=88.3
8.)Green=86.1
9.)Brunnel=85.2
10.)B.Johnson=84.1

those r all qbs I'd take over mcnabb if I needed to win one game or even the entire playoffs.

and if vick adapts to the west coast offense he'll be in this list as well and hasselback(matt) is a qb on the rise.

the thing people seem to do with mcnabb is confuse atheliticism for talent and one of these days his errent passes are going to get one of his teammates severely hurt and if he ever sustains a torn ligament, tendon, or muscle he will never be the same cuz he's shown he doesn't have the skills to be a pocket passer.

SmootSmack · 07-02-2004, 09:43 AM

Well is McNabb overrated or have his receivers simply sucked. Thrash is a hard worker and a good guy but by no means a no. 1 receiver. And neither are Pinkston or Mitchell. But then I guess to ask the question another way shouldn't the great quarterbacks make their receivers better?

itvnetop · 07-01-2004, 06:42 PM

i third the notion... it's like when you play fantasy, you get a true sense that the normal fan cannot vote for the pro bowl with any sort of knowledge.

offiss · 07-01-2004, 08:00 PM

Allow me to fourtheth that notion! :cheeky-sm

Big C · 07-01-2004, 08:02 PM

as long as u dont use the rusch limbaugh reasoning behind mcnabb being overrated, im ok with it

That Guy · 07-02-2004, 06:26 PM

i'd put vick up there... he can run, but he can pass too (well, when he's not dead)...
favre has a tendency to just lob the ball up if nothing's happening, and i've seen it bite him more than a couple times... btw anyone else read about his starting streak? since its started, 15 of the stadiums he's played games in aren't even around anymore... kinda crazy.

MTK · 07-03-2004, 11:31 AM

How would you guys rank the NFC East starting QB's?

1. McNabb
2. Brunell
3. Carter
4. Manning

Sorry but I have to give McNabb his props, 3 straight NFC Championships, he's doing something right, and lord only knows he's single handedly been a huge pain in our butts.

I think it's safe to say that the Eagles and Skins are set in the QB area while the Cowboys and Giants both have some pretty big question marks. In Dallas I wouldn't be surprised to see Vinny take over at some point. QC turns the ball over way too much for Parcells liking. As for the Giants, they had better hope that Warner can regain some of his old form, because if he can't and they have to stick with Manning all year, things will be ugly.

SmootSmack · 07-03-2004, 11:54 AM

Hogskin may have inadvertently brought up an interesting point. He says that Brady has "a very strong offensive supporting cast" On paper I'd have to disagree. Look at their top 3 receivers Deion Branch (2nd round pick), Troy Brown (8th round pick), David Patten (UDFA).Then you have the Eagles Freddie Mitchell (1st round), Todd Pinkston (early 2nd), and James Thrash (high profile free agent signing)

So do we blame the Eagles front office for these draft picks or should we, while recognizing that McNabb is indeed a very good quarterback, say that maybe some one else could have done a better job with those receivers?

07-01-2004, 02:03 PM	#1
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07-02-2004, 09:43 AM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Well is McNabb overrated or have his receivers simply sucked. Thrash is a hard worker and a good guy but by no means a no. 1 receiver. And neither are Pinkston or Mitchell. But then I guess to ask the question another way shouldn't the great quarterbacks make their receivers better? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-03-2004, 11:54 AM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Hogskin may have inadvertently brought up an interesting point. He says that Brady has "a very strong offensive supporting cast" On paper I'd have to disagree. Look at their top 3 receivers Deion Branch (2nd round pick), Troy Brown (8th round pick), David Patten (UDFA).Then you have the Eagles Freddie Mitchell (1st round), Todd Pinkston (early 2nd), and James Thrash (high profile free agent signing) So do we blame the Eagles front office for these draft picks or should we, while recognizing that McNabb is indeed a very good quarterback, say that maybe some one else could have done a better job with those receivers? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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07-01-2004, 04:29 PM	#2
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	I'm guessing the 16th ranked qb league wide was mcnabb, but somehow he's still in one out of every 3 nfl commercials and was voted to the probowl when a player like matt hasselback should have been voted in ahead of him. I might in the minority on this, but I just don't get the mystique of a "qb" who has practically no accuracy and is virtually a running back with the capacity to throw occasionally. a lot of that is the redskin fan in me speaking, but as a fan of the nfl as a whole its not that hard to make that analysis.

07-01-2004, 05:26 PM	#3
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	I totally agree. He's very overrated. I had him on my fantasy team last year, and I finished in last place. For some reason though he always plays well against the Skins. But then again our defense made Troy Hambrick look like a superstar.

07-01-2004, 06:42 PM	#10
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	i third the notion... it's like when you play fantasy, you get a true sense that the normal fan cannot vote for the pro bowl with any sort of knowledge.

07-01-2004, 08:00 PM	#11
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Allow me to fourtheth that notion! :cheeky-sm

07-01-2004, 08:02 PM	#12
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	as long as u dont use the rusch limbaugh reasoning behind mcnabb being overrated, im ok with it

07-02-2004, 06:26 PM	#13
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i'd put vick up there... he can run, but he can pass too (well, when he's not dead)... favre has a tendency to just lob the ball up if nothing's happening, and i've seen it bite him more than a couple times... btw anyone else read about his starting streak? since its started, 15 of the stadiums he's played games in aren't even around anymore... kinda crazy.

07-03-2004, 11:31 AM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	How would you guys rank the NFC East starting QB's? 1. McNabb 2. Brunell 3. Carter 4. Manning Sorry but I have to give McNabb his props, 3 straight NFC Championships, he's doing something right, and lord only knows he's single handedly been a huge pain in our butts. I think it's safe to say that the Eagles and Skins are set in the QB area while the Cowboys and Giants both have some pretty big question marks. In Dallas I wouldn't be surprised to see Vinny take over at some point. QC turns the ball over way too much for Parcells liking. As for the Giants, they had better hope that Warner can regain some of his old form, because if he can't and they have to stick with Manning all year, things will be ugly.

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