ESPN.com's 'Skins Offseason Report/Preview

Dave Butz Baby! · 06-29-2004, 02:25 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/featur...w/redskins2004

There it is... now discuss!

sonny-j-no9 · 06-29-2004, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Butz Baby!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/featur...w/redskins2004

There it is... now discuss!

looks like they, gooned up our draft picks... I think that is the giants draft...

skinsfanthru&thru · 06-29-2004, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sonny-j-no9

looks like they, gooned up our draft picks... I think that is the giants draft...

yeah they fubbed that up

JWsleep · 06-29-2004, 03:49 PM

The article itself was pretty accurate. Why did they need to add that moron pastabelly into it? As ususal, he came up with some way to criticize the skins. In an article about next season's prognosis, he dwells on the draft. Hey, fatass! The draft is over! Don't you have any insight into how the skins might do WITH THE TEAM THEY ACTUALLY HAVE??? Oh, I forgot. You don't.

memphisskin · 06-29-2004, 04:11 PM

Pasquerelli definitely doesn't take into account the Sam Shades, Stanley Richardsons, Matt Stevens and Matt Bowens that we had to watch for way too long. No regrets, and K2 might go on to a Pro Bowl and HOF career. As good as he would have looked in that offense, I'd much rather have some defense and let Gibbs work in somebody else on offense. If the guy can win three SBs with three different QBs then he can probably plug me in the H back spot and win. It's about the team, not just the talent, love what Gibbs is bringing to us. RESPECT.

Riggo44 · 06-29-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

The article itself was pretty accurate. Why did they need to add that moron pastabelly into it? As ususal, he came up with some way to criticize the skins. In an article about next season's prognosis, he dwells on the draft. Hey, fatass! The draft is over! Don't you have any insight into how the skins might do WITH THE TEAM THEY ACTUALLY HAVE??? Oh, I forgot. You don't.

skins009 · 06-29-2004, 02:46 PM

Passta belly is an idoit. He still thinks we should have taken windslow over tayler. Are you kidding me?

jthor99 · 06-29-2004, 03:43 PM

i dont understand how they can say that Winslow would have been a better pick then Taylor. Winslow is a hell of a football player but, he comes with an attiude that i feel that would not mix well with the team. I think Taylor will prove this Passta Belly wrong this season.

skinsfanthru&thru · 06-29-2004, 03:47 PM

yeah plus he said in his writings that the h-back isn't gonna get massive numbers like winslow would want and he'd be a liability blocking. the skins made the right choice with taylor.
the other stuff in the overview seems pretty right on.

BrudLee · 06-29-2004, 04:36 PM

Curiously, he makes the same argument against drafting KWII I've made all along - the numbers aren't there in this offense for a TE. Unless you want to take away from the stud RB, the stud WR and the deep WR corps, you don't draft a guy who gets pissed when he doesn't get the ball.

illdefined · 06-29-2004, 07:43 PM

no surprises, and its consensus. only glaring missing piece...defensive line. hmm, Snyder it ain't too late to attend to that..why wait? lets hope miami is happy with Jason Taylor and let us pick up Ogunleye.

can't believe they didn't even mention Patrick Ramsey. huge oversight.

ugh what a nightmare it will be if Taylor holds out.. Gibbs's first taste of the new NFL.

overall good breakdown, with adequate worship of our highness Joe Gibbs.

SKINSnCANES · 06-30-2004, 01:44 AM

Hopefully Taylor is going to be great for us, but lets play devils advocate for a minute. All of you keep talking about Winslows attitude and how you dont want that, and before everyone kept saying how with the Postons wed never get him signed. Well, now lets make a few assumptions. Lets say Winslow does sign before camp, and Taylor holds out. Then doesnt that change everything. Didnt a lot of peopel say we took Winslow becuase we would be able to sign Taylor? He doesnt even have an agent yet. And Winslow doesnt complain when he doesnt get the ball, you guys should think that. The only time Winslow spoke out about wanting the ball is when teh game was on teh line he would say put the ball in my hands. He was the leader on that offense and that was his plaec to step up on 4th and long and want the ball. He had a coupel game strecth where all he did was block and didnt say anything because the team was winning.

The other point he does make, that was also made prior to the draft, is about the value of the safety position. I feel that if he was goign to make that argument he should have put more thought into it. Becuase us drafting a safety is with good logic. We are in a division with the best tight end in the league, and with one of the best scrambling QBs in the league. Plus now we have TO in our division, and Dallas has a very productive set of receivers.

This is an argument thats going to go on for years to come. If either one of them ever has a bad year they will second guess it. We did what the Eagles did a few years ago when they drafted a bunch of corners so they could beat the rams. we needed a safety to help win in our division more than a TE. Kellen might hvae been a more productive player for us but we got what we needed.

skinsfanthru&thru · 06-30-2004, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

We are in a division with the best tight end in the league, and with one of the best scrambling QBs in the league. Plus now we have TO in our division, and Dallas has a very productive set of receivers.

when did tony gonzalez sign with one of our divisional foes?

j/k

I do agree about him being a good weapon against mcnabb when he scrambles and he will help out quite a bit against TO.

BrudLee · 06-30-2004, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

And Winslow doesnt complain when he doesnt get the ball, you guys should think that. The only time Winslow spoke out about wanting the ball is when teh game was on teh line he would say put the ball in my hands. He was the leader on that offense and that was his plaec to step up on 4th and long and want the ball. He had a coupel game strecth where all he did was block and didnt say anything because the team was winning.

And that was on a team that lost one game. In the NFL, a successful team can still lose five or six games and be considered the best in the league. Lots of players are great teammates when they are winning - the reality of the NFL is that you aren't going to win every game, so you'd better not rush to blame your coaches and teammates.

I don't doubt KWII is going to be a great player in this league for years - nor do I doubt it about Taylor. I know which one I wanted to be a Redskin, though - and I got my wish.

memphisskin · 06-30-2004, 12:12 PM

First, I think K2s attitude is good. All of the great players had that edge, they know they are great and simply want to help the team win. I think the misconception was that there wouldn't be enough balls flying around to keep Winslow happy and that he'd be a malcontent. I've never seen a guy pout on a winning team, even Keyshawn Johnson closed his mouth when the Bucs won a championship.

We took the best fit for us. There is no rush to get an agent, camp doesn't begin until the end of the month anyway. I'm not worried at all, Snyder wants to give Gibbs every advantage so Taylor will get his money regardless of who his agent is. The actual contract negotiations will be pretty swift, I just think Taylor may be on guard because he had to get rid of his last agent. Not sure what happened there, but he'll be in camp and hitting as soon as it opens up.

06-29-2004, 02:25 PM	#1
Dave Butz Baby! Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reston, VA Age: 54 Posts: 450	ESPN.com's 'Skins Offseason Report/Preview http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/featur...w/redskins2004 There it is... now discuss! __________________ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

06-29-2004, 03:49 PM	#4
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	The article itself was pretty accurate. Why did they need to add that moron pastabelly into it? As ususal, he came up with some way to criticize the skins. In an article about next season's prognosis, he dwells on the draft. Hey, fatass! The draft is over! Don't you have any insight into how the skins might do WITH THE TEAM THEY ACTUALLY HAVE??? Oh, I forgot. You don't. __________________ Hail from Houston!

06-29-2004, 04:36 PM	#10
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Curiously, he makes the same argument against drafting KWII I've made all along - the numbers aren't there in this offense for a TE. Unless you want to take away from the stud RB, the stud WR and the deep WR corps, you don't draft a guy who gets pissed when he doesn't get the ball. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

06-30-2004, 01:44 AM	#12
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Hopefully Taylor is going to be great for us, but lets play devils advocate for a minute. All of you keep talking about Winslows attitude and how you dont want that, and before everyone kept saying how with the Postons wed never get him signed. Well, now lets make a few assumptions. Lets say Winslow does sign before camp, and Taylor holds out. Then doesnt that change everything. Didnt a lot of peopel say we took Winslow becuase we would be able to sign Taylor? He doesnt even have an agent yet. And Winslow doesnt complain when he doesnt get the ball, you guys should think that. The only time Winslow spoke out about wanting the ball is when teh game was on teh line he would say put the ball in my hands. He was the leader on that offense and that was his plaec to step up on 4th and long and want the ball. He had a coupel game strecth where all he did was block and didnt say anything because the team was winning. The other point he does make, that was also made prior to the draft, is about the value of the safety position. I feel that if he was goign to make that argument he should have put more thought into it. Becuase us drafting a safety is with good logic. We are in a division with the best tight end in the league, and with one of the best scrambling QBs in the league. Plus now we have TO in our division, and Dallas has a very productive set of receivers. This is an argument thats going to go on for years to come. If either one of them ever has a bad year they will second guess it. We did what the Eagles did a few years ago when they drafted a bunch of corners so they could beat the rams. we needed a safety to help win in our division more than a TE. Kellen might hvae been a more productive player for us but we got what we needed. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

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06-29-2004, 04:11 PM	#5
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Pasquerelli definitely doesn't take into account the Sam Shades, Stanley Richardsons, Matt Stevens and Matt Bowens that we had to watch for way too long. No regrets, and K2 might go on to a Pro Bowl and HOF career. As good as he would have looked in that offense, I'd much rather have some defense and let Gibbs work in somebody else on offense. If the guy can win three SBs with three different QBs then he can probably plug me in the H back spot and win. It's about the team, not just the talent, love what Gibbs is bringing to us. RESPECT.

06-29-2004, 02:46 PM	#7
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Passta belly is an idoit. He still thinks we should have taken windslow over tayler. Are you kidding me?

06-29-2004, 03:43 PM	#8
jthor99 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 17	i dont understand how they can say that Winslow would have been a better pick then Taylor. Winslow is a hell of a football player but, he comes with an attiude that i feel that would not mix well with the team. I think Taylor will prove this Passta Belly wrong this season.

06-29-2004, 03:47 PM	#9
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	yeah plus he said in his writings that the h-back isn't gonna get massive numbers like winslow would want and he'd be a liability blocking. the skins made the right choice with taylor. the other stuff in the overview seems pretty right on.

06-29-2004, 07:43 PM	#11
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	no surprises, and its consensus. only glaring missing piece...defensive line. hmm, Snyder it ain't too late to attend to that..why wait? lets hope miami is happy with Jason Taylor and let us pick up Ogunleye. can't believe they didn't even mention Patrick Ramsey. huge oversight. ugh what a nightmare it will be if Taylor holds out.. Gibbs's first taste of the new NFL. overall good breakdown, with adequate worship of our highness Joe Gibbs.

06-30-2004, 12:12 PM	#15
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	First, I think K2s attitude is good. All of the great players had that edge, they know they are great and simply want to help the team win. I think the misconception was that there wouldn't be enough balls flying around to keep Winslow happy and that he'd be a malcontent. I've never seen a guy pout on a winning team, even Keyshawn Johnson closed his mouth when the Bucs won a championship. We took the best fit for us. There is no rush to get an agent, camp doesn't begin until the end of the month anyway. I'm not worried at all, Snyder wants to give Gibbs every advantage so Taylor will get his money regardless of who his agent is. The actual contract negotiations will be pretty swift, I just think Taylor may be on guard because he had to get rid of his last agent. Not sure what happened there, but he'll be in camp and hitting as soon as it opens up.

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