Are 21 and 31 over-rated?

TheBigD · 10-11-2006, 04:31 PM

first I just want to say that this is not to compare Taylor to Williams.

With that said, I think those two players are over-rated. The media and fans have gotten into their heads and made them think HARDEST HIT = WIN.

I see that both players get burnned, and when you are somone of Taylor's and Williams talent it shouldn't happen to you that badly.

I mean the game against the Jaguars Taylor put a vicious hit on the receiver but the guy still held on to the ball for a TD. In the game against the Eagles Williams gave up two huge plays because he is looking for the big hit.

My question then, are they really over-rated or are they playing the wrong positions?

dall-assblows · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

don't get me wrong but, taylor was amazing in coverage his rookie season, but now it seems like he just goes for the big hit rather than the ball. i don't know

Southpaw · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

Taylor has looked bad at times this season, because he's in a banged up secondary and the front four doesn't get any pressure AT ALL, which makes any secondary look bad. He's the playmaker on the defense and he single handedly solidified a win in the last game of the season last year, that put Washington into the playoffs.

Roy Williams on the other hand, was great his first couple seasons, and has lived off reputation ever since. The only plays I remember him making the last few seasons are the ones where he injures players with that bitch horse collar tackle that he invented.

Pocket$ $traight · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).

I think 21 CAN cover almost any WR in the league. IF he was playing straight coverage. His problem is that he has to play coverage and run. Against any decent 1 or even 2 in this league heaping the responsibility on one guy makes it pretty easy to pop open. If he lined up at CB he'd be a pretty decent corner. But he can't do both well at the same time. It isn't physically possible to protect against the run while staying in coverage against a guy like Burress.

Pocket$ $traight · 10-11-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think 21 CAN cover almost any WR in the league. IF he was playing straight coverage. His problem is that he has to play coverage and run. Against any decent 1 or even 2 in this league heaping the responsibility on one guy makes it pretty easy to pop open. If he lined up at CB he'd be a pretty decent corner. But he can't do both well at the same time. It isn't physically possible to protect against the run while staying in coverage against a guy like Burress.

I also think he just had a bad game on Sunday when he wasn't able to cover anybody.

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I also think he just had a bad game on Sunday when he wasn't able to cover anybody.

I can't even remember a play this year where Taylor just broke into coverage. Every play where he seemed to get "beat" it was because he had to fill the middle zone for Run D and then drop into coverage. Not to say he hasn't made in positioning mistakes or anything but he does have a huge amount of responsibility out there and it has to be played perfect for it to work. You don't see any other Safeties doing what he does I don't think.

hurrykaine · 10-14-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think 21 CAN cover almost any WR in the league. IF he was playing straight coverage. His problem is that he has to play coverage and run. Against any decent 1 or even 2 in this league heaping the responsibility on one guy makes it pretty easy to pop open. If he lined up at CB he'd be a pretty decent corner. But he can't do both well at the same time. It isn't physically possible to protect against the run while staying in coverage against a guy like Burress.

I think Redskins21's coverage skills are a little suspect. Look back to the Giants game for the move Buress put on him when they were one on one. Dallas31's coverage skills are even more suspect.

However, Dallas 31 has much better hands and so makes INTs more regularly. In that regard, he and Ed Reed are the best in the league.

While both are excellent against the run, Redskins21 simply has a gift of forcing fumbles from RBs. If they had an annual award for the best fumble forcer in the league, 21 would win hands down.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 10-14-2006, 05:11 PM

MOS DEF

21 has a true god given gift for stripping that ball from the RB no matter who they are....now recovering that fumble going our way is what we need to work on

budw38 · 10-15-2006, 08:15 AM

great point ! few corners could keep a # 1 or 2 Wr from making some big plays in single coverage even without all the other resonsibilites that taylor has ! With a pass rush ,,, he is ending his season in Hawii !

hands11 · 10-30-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).

why doesnt anyone remember walt harris.

NFL.com - Walt Harris

onlydarksets · 10-30-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hands11

why doesnt anyone remember walt harris.

NFL.com - Walt Harris

Harris is having a great season in San Fran, but he was marginal here. He was great at missing tackles, though, which seems to have spread to the rest of the team.

dall-assblows · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

taylor is still my favorite player

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

Well I definitely think RW is overrated. He has always been a liability in pass coverage and at the end of the day a Safety has to bring something to the table in coverage. In the same vein I am starting to wonder when Taylor is gonna start making plays other than big hits. He covers lots of the field and always seems to be in on the tackle but I want to start seeing some high light reel coverage plays. It is only his 3rd year so I give him more leeway but I hope to see this happen by the end of this year.

hesscl34 · 10-11-2006, 04:39 PM

Taylor is picking up slack.. trying to make things happen.. so he isn't always consistent... Seems to be a "team" problem, not a Taylor problem. That man is a beast.. and a God in my book.

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#3
Southpaw The Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: So. MD Age: 46 Posts: 1,319	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Taylor has looked bad at times this season, because he's in a banged up secondary and the front four doesn't get any pressure AT ALL, which makes any secondary look bad. He's the playmaker on the defense and he single handedly solidified a win in the last game of the season last year, that put Washington into the playoffs. Roy Williams on the other hand, was great his first couple seasons, and has lived off reputation ever since. The only plays I remember him making the last few seasons are the ones where he injures players with that bitch horse collar tackle that he invented.

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#4
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).

10-14-2006, 05:11 PM	#9
JGisLordOfTheRings Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond VA Age: 38 Posts: 2,583	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? MOS DEF 21 has a true god given gift for stripping that ball from the RB no matter who they are....now recovering that fumble going our way is what we need to work on __________________ The redskins pocket is like my love life.....nonexistent and disappointing. -OnceWeWereKings

10-15-2006, 08:15 AM	#10
budw38 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,706	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? great point ! few corners could keep a # 1 or 2 Wr from making some big plays in single coverage even without all the other resonsibilites that taylor has ! With a pass rush ,,, he is ending his season in Hawii !

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#13
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 41 Posts: 2,211	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? taylor is still my favorite player __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

10-11-2006, 04:31 PM	#1
TheBigD Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Washington DC area Posts: 215	Are 21 and 31 over-rated? first I just want to say that this is not to compare Taylor to Williams. With that said, I think those two players are over-rated. The media and fans have gotten into their heads and made them think HARDEST HIT = WIN. I see that both players get burnned, and when you are somone of Taylor's and Williams talent it shouldn't happen to you that badly. I mean the game against the Jaguars Taylor put a vicious hit on the receiver but the guy still held on to the ball for a TD. In the game against the Eagles Williams gave up two huge plays because he is looking for the big hit. My question then, are they really over-rated or are they playing the wrong positions?

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#2
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 41 Posts: 2,211	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? don't get me wrong but, taylor was amazing in coverage his rookie season, but now it seems like he just goes for the big hit rather than the ball. i don't know __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#14
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Well I definitely think RW is overrated. He has always been a liability in pass coverage and at the end of the day a Safety has to bring something to the table in coverage. In the same vein I am starting to wonder when Taylor is gonna start making plays other than big hits. He covers lots of the field and always seems to be in on the tackle but I want to start seeing some high light reel coverage plays. It is only his 3rd year so I give him more leeway but I hope to see this happen by the end of this year.

10-11-2006, 04:39 PM	#15
hesscl34 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 2,782	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Taylor is picking up slack.. trying to make things happen.. so he isn't always consistent... Seems to be a "team" problem, not a Taylor problem. That man is a beast.. and a God in my book.

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