Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

[chris36]

I hate to say it, but Joe is becoming to concervative. In his first go around he was a risk taker. Now he plays not loose. I could not believe it when they did not go for it on forth down, I watched them pass on third and one and said to myself, I guess Joe figured that he was in four down territory and was going to run on forth down. I was shocked when they kicked a field goal. This showed no confidence in our offense and at 16 to 3made no real sense. If they had scored a touch down the momentum would have been completely turned around. We need to play to win. Come on Joe, remember those fake punts, remember those forth and ones(John Riggins, superbowl). Joe was an offensive powerhouse the first time around.

[JWsleep]

I thnk there's already a "coaching rant" thread....

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I'm not going to comment on the topic, as I know it is going to bring an onslaught of harsh posts. Be prepared my friend.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by chris36

I hate to say it, but Joe is becoming to concervative. In his first go around he was a risk taker. Now he plays not loose. I could not believe it when they did not go for it on forth down, I watched them pass on third and one and said to myself, I guess Joe figured that he was in four down territory and was going to run on forth down. I was shocked when they kicked a field goal. This showed no confidence in our offense and at 16 to 3made no real sense. If they had scored a touch down the momentum would have been completely turned around. We need to play to win. Come on Joe, remember those fake punts, remember those forth and ones(John Riggins, superbowl). Joe was an offensive powerhouse the first time around.

At the time, I wanted to see them go for it.

But as a coach you have to consider a few things.

1) Can you kicker make that

A: Yes, the fact that he missed is awful, but hindsight is always 20-20. Hall is a very good kicker and I would think of that as an automatic 3. Scoring some points may have given the redskins some much needed momentum, and could have potentially changed the game

2) Can you convert the 4 and 1?

A: I'd say it was 50-50. The Giants had been winning the trench fight all game long and they had confidence. Playing in their home stadium with there crowd behind them, It would have been a very very tough yard to gain. CP is more outside of an outside the tackles runner, and outside the tackles is where there strength is.

[illdefined]

I'll comment. not toughing out that 4th and 1 in a tough divisional away game when you're behind sent a direct message to the offense that they weren't believed in. and they played accordingly after that.

huge missed opportunity. and i think Gibbs's first real apparent mistake this season. regardless if the FG was made or not.

[LBrown43]

Originally Posted by illdefined

I'll comment. not toughing out that 4th and 1 in a tough divisional away game when you're behind sent a direct message to the offense that they weren't believed in. and they played accordingly after that.

huge missed opportunity. and i think Gibbs's first real apparent mistake this season. regardless if the FG was made or not.

I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by LBrown43

I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.

a field goal never caused a turnoaround spark, much less a missed one. in fact, aside from a turnover, there's nothing more deflating especially after the longest sustained drive all game.

i know they didn't believe in themselves, making it on 4th and 1 was just the situation to get some confidence and get back into the game. alas, Gibbs/Saunders played like they were already beaten and the team accepted it.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by illdefined

a field goal never caused a turnoaround spark, much less a missed one. in fact, aside from a turnover, there's nothing more deflating especially after the longest sustained drive all game.

i know they didn't believe in themselves, making it on 4th and 1 was just the situation to get some confidence and get back into the game. alas, Gibbs/Saunders played like they were already beaten and the team accepted it.

How about NOT making it on 4th down?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by mheisig

How about NOT making it on 4th down?

they had just marched down the field, they were just starting to feel good for the first time the entire game. these are competitive guys and they were just beginning to roll. if they tried and failed, at least they'd know Gibbs had some faith in them and felt they could make it. going for the FG took it completely out of their hands.

(btw losing it on 4th is technically a turnover)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mheisig

How about NOT making it on 4th down?

Okay, and then what? They win 26-3 instead of 19-3?

[Twilbert07]

Just saw this stat from today's Post about Gibbs. Maybe Joe is becoming like Schottenheimer, from the standpoint of a .500 coach.

The Redskins will play the 40th game of the second Gibbs era on Sunday -- including the playoffs -- and stand at 19-20. Six of those wins came during the team's winning streak in December and January of last season, the only momentum the team has shown since this staff took over in 2004.

[70Chip]

Gibbs had a tough first season and a moderately sucessful second season which makes him around .500. There's nothing earth-shattering there. What happens the rest of this year, though, will have a huge impact on how the second Gibbs term is perceived. They need to at least equal last year's playoff berth to come close to matching expectations.

I'm sensing a lot of anti-Gibbs sentimant in here today. Blasphemy!

[chris36]

Hey, I did not care if we made the field goal or not. It seemed to me that the three points were not going to help us. That is my point. It was not like we were behind by ten or for that matter 17. We did not need a field goal at the time.

[724Skinsfan]

Who's Mary? Is that Mary's wife?

[dall-assblows]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Who's Mary? Is that Mary's wife?

you mean marty's wife