RB's are worried in Washington

[PorterHouse]

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Who's on the block?

[MTK]

Betts has the most market value.

[dmek25]

i cant see betts getting traded but i also cant see him and duckett on the redskins together

[SUNRA]

I could see Betts being traded by Monday. Look at T.J Duckett's stats for four years compared to Betts and their is no comparison at all. Betts just couldn't stay healthy and I didn't like his performance against the Seahawks in the playoffs either. Jesse Lumsden definitely has a chance to make the practice squad or even the team if he has a great showing this Saturday. I was very impressed with his running ability against the Ravens during the scrimmage.

[Big C]

betts has to get traded now, no question

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Big C

betts has to get traded now, no question

Why do you say now, rather than next week or the end of preseason? At this point, I don't think he would pass a team's physical with a nagging hamstring pull.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Why do you say now, rather than next week or the end of preseason? At this point, I don't think he would pass a team's physical with a nagging hamstring pull.

i didnt mean now as in this very second. i meant now that we have made this trade, betts needs to get traded.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Big C

i didnt mean now as in this very second. i meant now that we have made this trade, betts needs to get traded.

No doubt. I agree. Just can't see us getting a lot for him at this point. Philly seems to be the most desperate for a running back when you see them considering Stephen Davis for the RB spot.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Big C

betts has to get traded now, no question

I hate this. Bad chemistry, bad way to star the season.. just bad!

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Big C

betts has to get traded now, no question

This is a post from Extremems Skins. Best post I've read yet about the RB's.

I hope the mods forgive me for starting another thread discussing the Duckett trade, but this thread isn't about the trade itself as much as the staff that made it and why they did.

As fans, we identify with players. We root for our favorite players, we buy their jerseys, and we name ourselves after them on websites like ES. Fans love underdogs. I always identify with underdogs and pull for them. When roster moves affect our favorite players, we take it personally. The players of course take it personally, and we identify with the players, so we take it personally too. When Ramsey got benched for Brunell, we groaned. Many extremers took it much further than that, calling Gibbs a liar, and saying that Ramsey got screwed. Ramsey was hugely popular in here. He was a class act, he was an underdog that we all pulled for. Uhfortunately though, he didn't perform and struggled with the mental aspects of the game, and Gibbs saw it. Gibbs went with his well honed instincts and it paid off. Ramsey meanwhile is with the Jets, and he's still not performing.

Fast forward a year, and more of the same type of roster moves are happening. Williams and Gibbs sent Lavar on his way, and once again extreme skins was divided. Lavar was never really an underdog, but he was definitely another fan favorite. Lavar goes to New York, and he still can't stay on the field. Chris Clemons gets hurt again, and he's cut. Clemons was another fan favorite and an underdog. Chris also couldn't stay on the field though and now he's gone. Betts is another guy us fans have been pulling for, but like Clemons and Lavar, he hasn't been able to stay on the field. See a pattern here?

Going back a couple of weeks, after Clemons got cut, Williams said in an interview with the Post, "There are two 'As' you have to have if you want to play for me: accountability and availability. Chris suffered from the second one. He was never able to stay on the field." Take a minute and let that quote sink in b/c it really states what this staff is all about. If you want to play for the Skins, you have to perform, and you have to be able to stay healthy, it doesn't matter who you are, how much you are paid, or when you were drafted.

No look at the preseason. The mediots have been predicting a Superbowl run for the Skins, and they come out flat in the preseason, and put in a very poor effort against the Jets. The team turns to Betts and Rock for a spark and really get nothing. Maybe the blocking in front of them wasn't great, but neither guy looked like they were running hard to me. After the game, Gibbs was so mad he didn't even wait for the media to be ready be to send a message to the team, saying, "I thought we would get a great effort and play extremely hard," Gibbs said in explaining his anger Saturday night. "We're coming home and I talked about it, and we play a game like that. So it does a number of things to you. You get upset about it and you get concerned about it, too, because there's no reason why you shouldn't play well there."
No doubt about it, Gibbs was pissed.

Gibbs goes out and gets himself a classic bruiser in Duckett. He says he's a great locker room and we'll just put him in there and see how it turns out. Message to Betts and Rock: you boys better step the hell up or you're gone.

Betts says he doesn't understand, and Rock calls it a slap in the face. Sorry, but you've got it backwards guys, as do many fans who identify with you. You have to perform and stay healthy to be on this team. Gibbs is committed to winning. If his players can't deliver, he'll bring in players that can. Gibbs and his staff mean business, it's as simple as that.

[dblanch66]

Bottom line is that Duckett makes this team better. Why would Rock and Ladell complain if they were secure in their roles and were really stepping up? Do your job, get after it, TAKE THE POSITION AND MAKE IT YOUR OWN!!! I agree with the ES poster here. Duckett was a NEED. When he is bulldozing his way in from the 6 yard line, everyone here will be cheering him on. I hope he wears #39!

[onebum]

He was the #2 RB in ATL, he comes here and is known to be much better than our #2 and 3 RBs. That says we didn't have much behind portis.

Well boo fricken hoo, betts and rock, our backups are upset because they are deeper BACKups...possibly bad for team chemistry and this and that...blah blah blah. Betts and Rock are upset because we brought in a #2 back from another team and they know he is better than them. They know this means thier mediocre talent is going to be sent to another team or burried deep in the depth chart only to come out sparringly.

The only chemistry it hurts is how content Betts and Rock were with being handed #2 and 3 in the depth chart because the young guys couldn't stop screwing up. Its not that Betts and Rock did that well in camp/over the years, its that the new folks/other folks did that horrible. Is there a team in the league that Rock could contend for the starting job? Betts is better, and though there may be a few teams that he could compete for the starting job it would be far from a sure thing, he would have to do WELL.

Betts and Rock were content knowing they aren't that good but they will be on the roster and get playing time because they were it behind portis and we had nothing else.

[onebum]

O yeah, and portis wasn't exactly happy about it. He is quoted as saying that he's a big tough back thats a bruiser as well as being fast, that he's a complete back.

There is a difference between being 205-210 and willing to hit as hard as you can, and having the balance to take shots and fight for yards....and being 50 pounds heavier at 255 and knowing when you take a shot you can fight a few yards, AND have your momentum give you a few more yards. Portis impressed the hell outta me last year with his willingness and ability to be physical, but size is size. Heart (and Portis has more than most in the NFL) and will are what make Portis SO good after contact, but it just can't make up for the bulk TJ brings.

Besides, once Portis realizes he'll be getting 20+ carries a game, that TJ will be getting 10 or so, that TJ's carries will make his carries more effective(affective?), that he can be 100% in the 4th because he's had help beating on the other team's defense, and that TJ will only help him get better stats(and I seriously doubt fewer TDs), Portis will be happy to have TJ in D.C.

I think...
-portis will NOT lose any TD's because of TJ compared to last year
-because we score MANY more TDs this year
-many of those risky goal line passes to big recievers will go to TJ instead of recievers, not taking from portis
-portis will have more TDs and will be in there plenty near the goal line this year, it won't be ONLY TJ ON THE FIELD WHEN INSIDE THE 10yd LINE.

i'm done with other RB reactions now. Basically, 2 were upset because they know they weren't good enough but were given the 2 and 3 positions because there was no one else and that portis was upset because he didn't want to lose TDs coming from short and goal situations. Portis will be happy with TJ, I for one don't care how Betts and Rock cope with TJ coming to town. They need to fight for their spots, not get it by default.

***the past 2 posts are my opinion, I will discuss opinion/point of view questions/comments that are opposite my own, but will not discuss posts/comments made as if the posters opinion is fact and other opinions are wrong. I read this forum daily (hardly ever post) and constantly see folks ripping other folks because of opinions. Numbers from last year and that type of thing can be wrong, but what someone thinks will happen is not wrong, and they should not be talked down to/insulted because of their thoughts/opinions.***

geez...I always start out with one thought I want to post real quick and end up with a fricken essay. WAY too many thoughts/words from a mind as shallow as mine.

[bertoskins2]

yeah, if betts is big, tJ is a monster
the coaches think that we will run thru out opponents throat
we will be like steelers of the NFC
and with that defense
wow, i like it


betts should be gone by now

[redsk1]

I still don't see why we made this trade. We all heard how happy the coaching staff was w/ Betts and you have a guy behind him that's serviceable in Rock. I guess you kinda feel bad for L. Betts, participating in the voluntary offseason programs, and potentially being pushed aside for someone new. I've always thought Duckett could be a starter somewhere though. There are only so many plays in a game, someone is going to be left out.

It also, is sad to hear everyone saying trade Betts now. I don't know about everyone else, but i've always trade to "side" with a guy that has been drafted by the skins and wants to be hear.