Problems with the Three Headed Monster

[redwagonskins]

Per JLC:

"Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato met again late last night figuring their next plan of attack.

The attempt to land three coaches in one swoop, packaged together, does not look to feasible right now. Looks like the only way they get Baltimore Rex Ryan is by naming him head coach (he's telling people he's not leaving for a lateral move). The Seahawks want to keep QB Coach Jim Zorn and began conversations to that end last night. I see him as the next OC there when Coach Mike Holmgren walks in a year. The Redskins got deep into talks with Zorn, and these weren't coaches they were exploring hypothetically, like just to pair - or foist upon - any 'ol coach they might hire in the next 2 months.

Now, they could turn to other coordinator options who could work well with Fassel, but, again, many teams would block lateral moves (Jim Schwartz in Tennessee remains a name worth watching). They could still decide to give it to Fassel, solo for now, but that option is less appealing without the entire plan in place and the fan sentiment towards this candidate has been pointed. With no other openings, the Redskins know Fassel and Williams have nowhere to go right now, and they can be left hanging out there for a while.

So another mystery candidate could emerge, they could decide to hand it to Fassel or Williams - though as time passes it gets harder and harder to see them going that route - or they could wait until after the Super Bowl. The two most prominent names involved in the Big Game as assistants are Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo and Pats OC Josh McDaniels. The Redskins are the only team still with a HC vacancy, so it's not like anybody else would be interviewing these guys.

Gregg Williams remains on the back burner, sitting there, but people close to him don't expect him to be offered the job, and, after the way this thing has gone down, they're not sure Williams would even take it if offered. Jacksonville would love to hire him for its Defensive Coordinator opening, league sources said. Or he could depart Washington with a fat payday, take a year to pull a mini-Cowher and watch his kids play sports, and then size up offers in 2009.

Random: The contracts for Redskins assistants Earnest Byner and Kirk Olivadotti expire on Jan. 31, league sources said. The rest of the staff has another year remaining on their deals, set to expire Jan. 31, 2009 ... This nasty virus making a second wave through the house. Between that and this coaching search, making for some long nights. Thank goodness ma and pa have been coming down from B-more to help Lauren, because I am of no use to anyone these days covering this team."

There are two really interesting things here:
Josh McDaniels as a HC. Here's a guy with a proven track record as an OC that could do some interesting things here. Of course, that's what everybody thought about Weiss.

GW might not even take the job if offered. Wow, well if true (and it seems to be pure conjecture) this puts the coaching search in perspective. The longer they string this out, the more people don't want the job. Maybe people see how Danny is running things and are thinking they want nothing to do with it. (see Mora and perhaps GW)

Additionally, it looks like teams aren't going to just give away their coordinators without a fight, but anybody who thought hey would was deluded in the first place.

[#56fanatic]

this whole thing has turned into a circus. mind boggling as to how they could screw this up. but hey, we are talking about Danny's Redskins. Wait and see what happens, there are so many fans out there that are writing on blogs about this BS. the post had a poll the other day and something like 50+ percent said horrible move, 25 percent said bad move. It is Danny's team, and he can do with it what he see's fit, that is what billions of dollars can do for you, but to completely rip apart what Joe and this staff built in four years is unthinkable. One radio person (in charlotte, die hard skins fan with some inside knowledge) said this morning, danny couldn't wait until Joe walked out so he could get his hands back in the cookie dough. nothing this man does suprises me one bit.

[redwagonskins]

You know, it's funny. Doc Walker said the same kind of thing. Here we are in the bye-week of the SB and everybody is talking about the Skins. So maybe it's all marketing. I don't really agree but if it is, at what cost and what's to gain? I don't think jerseys are selling off the shelf, or club-level season ticket orders have increased.

[BleedBurgundy]

Somebody wake me when they hire somebody. This board has been effing pointless with all of the speculation and nonsense the last two weeks. Personally, I don't know if GW, Cowher, Fassel or Knute Rockne would or would not be successful. No one else does either. All of this BS about petitions and "the sky is falling" is mindless speculation. What I do know, what I can guarantee is that I'll be rooting for the B&G next season regardless of who wears the headset.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Somebody wake me when they hire somebody. This board has been effing pointless with all of the speculation and nonsense the last two weeks. Personally, I don't know if GW, Cowher, Fassel or Knute Rockne would or would not be successful. No one else does either. All of this BS about petitions and "the sky is falling" is mindless speculation. What I do know, what I can guarantee is that I'll be rooting for the B&G next season regardless of who wears the headset.

Dude, if you don't want to talk about the rumors going around the walk on by and read drudge. This is a very interesting time for a lot of us because it offers insights into the organization and the owner. It's funny how people who have no time for this stuff love to drop in and flame. If you don't like talking about it then move along.

[BleedBurgundy]

Read the banner, it says "Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan" not "Rumor Mongering for the Mindless Dolt."

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Somebody wake me when they hire somebody. This board has been effing pointless with all of the speculation and nonsense the last two weeks. Personally, I don't know if GW, Cowher, Fassel or Knute Rockne would or would not be successful. No one else does either. All of this BS about petitions and "the sky is falling" is mindless speculation. What I do know, what I can guarantee is that I'll be rooting for the B&G next season regardless of who wears the headset.

I agree.

Speculating is fine, but the childish tantrums I'm seeing calling for Snyder's head, etc., are just ridiculous and in no way contribute anything of value to the discussion.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Read the banner, it says "Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan" not "Rumor Mongering for the Mindless Dolt."

Touche. Note to all: no discussions of anything unless the Skins hold a presser. That should pretty much shut down the site for a week or so. Sounds fun.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree.

Speculating is fine, but the childish tantrums I'm seeing calling for Snyder's head, etc., are just ridiculous and in no way contribute anything of value to the discussion.

Matty - no tantrums here. Just discussing what JLC is reporting. If this is too speculative for the board then fine. My bad.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Touche. Note to all: no discussions of anything unless the Skins hold a presser. That should pretty much shut down the site for a week or so. Sounds fun.

Don't take it personal, unless it applies, but as has been said ad nauseam on this board: No need for 15 threads discussing basically the same thing. No reason this couldn't have been posted in one of the other coaching discussion threads. I would have loved to simply "skip it" and not read through something that I know is borderline pointless, but the sheer volume of horrible threads makes the site hard to navigate.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Dude, if you don't want to talk about the rumors going around the walk on by and read drudge. This is a very interesting time for a lot of us because it offers insights into the organization and the owner. It's funny how people who have no time for this stuff love to drop in and flame. If you don't like talking about it then move along.

I think what several people are tired of is this does not give us any insights into the organization or the owner because no one really knows what is going on. I have seen Snyder called all kinds of stuff just because they are not showning their hand at who will be the next head coach and people are judging him and others off rumors.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Don't take it personal, unless it applies, but as has been said ad nauseam on this board: No need for 15 threads discussing basically the same thing. No reason this couldn't have been posted in one of the other coaching discussion threads. I would have loved to simply "skip it" and not read through something that I know is borderline pointless, but the sheer volume of horrible threads makes the site hard to navigate.

Hey man, you're right. I thought it was an interesting twist regarding GW perhaps not being in the running at all but it could have been put elsewhere. peace

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Read the banner, it says "Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan" not "Rumor Mongering for the Mindless Dolt."

Agreed. Though in redwagon's defense, I don't think this is one of those threads.

Now the petition on the other hand...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Matty - no tantrums here. Just discussing what JLC is reporting. If this is too speculative for the board then fine. My bad.

I was talking in general, not about you specifically.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I was talking in general, not about you specifically.

No worries. I get where BB is coming from. I have all the time in the world these days to follow this crap, others may not.