Defensive line still a major issue

chrisl4064 · 09-19-2007, 04:34 PM

donovan had all day unless we were sending blitzing. i was pissed the entire game at that. every time there was a sack or any pressure at all i would see landry or rocky or washington in there. same thing with the dolphins game. i honestly think this may hurt us in the long run. i mean seriously was anyone else not screaming at the TV when Donovan would drop back and just casually look around for an open guy? good thing he sucks and our corners stepped up this week.

i know its too late to do anything about now, but we have to fix this in the offseason. and what the hell kind of tackle was that when evans hit westbrook before he took off for a 30 yard gain, disgusting.

Drift Reality · 09-19-2007, 04:40 PM

Dude, we won the game.

We all know they could use a big-time pass rusher and hopefully they address next year. I don't see the point in griping about this right now.

12thMan · 09-19-2007, 04:41 PM

Both Carter and Marcus Washington had sacks from the DE positions. And Rocky had a sack. That;s good to me.

Schneed10 · 09-19-2007, 04:42 PM

Well I certainly am not opposed to us going after a stud pass rusher in the offseason, if we can get our hands on one. But to call the defensive line's play a major issue is flat out incorrect.

I remember seeing Carter coming around the edge, forcing Donovan to evade him as Griffin pushed his way into the backfield, wrapping him up and taking him down.

I saw several other instances in which Carter was coming around the edge and Donovan threw the ball just before Carter made contact. McNabb's throws were way off in most of those cases. Some blame it on the knee, and maybe that's true, but you could tell he could not set his feet and get comfortable in the pocket.

Sacks aren't the only measure of defensive line play. Pressure itself makes a big impact on the game.

Now, when McNabb started to get rolling at the end of the second half, he was getting the ball out quickly because GW had the corners back off and leave a cushion to prevent any huge plays. The line didn't have time to get to McNabb before the ball came out.

I thought they did well the other night.

jamf · 09-19-2007, 04:52 PM

We definitely need more pressure from the front four. We won't have a top 5 defense till those guys can cause some problems.
I think our line play is directly related to lack of turnovers.

Paintrain · 09-19-2007, 04:53 PM

When we were using a 4 man rush for most of the game and sitting back in shell coverage we're not going to generate a ton of pressure. Also you don't bring tons of pressure against mobile QBs because if they break contain they're going to run for a long time.. Since Ellie Mae doesn't like pressure in his face, I'd expect to see Grilliams release the hounds more this week.

We generated sufficient pressure to keep them out of the end zone and the win column, I'm happy enough with that.

mlmpetert · 09-19-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Both Carter and Marcus Washington had sacks from the DE positions. And Rocky had a sack. That;s good to me.

McIntosh, Landry boost Redskins' defense - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

We have more then a 1/4 of the amount of sacks we had all last season. If our secondary can keep playing like they did in phily hopefully our line will come togather. Its still real early in the season.

chrisl4064 · 09-19-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

McIntosh, Landry boost Redskins' defense - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

We have more then a 1/4 of the amount of sacks we had all last season. If our secondary can keep playing like they did in phily hopefully our line will come togather. Its still real early in the season.

again.... im not talking about our linebackers and safeties. im talking about the front four on a four man rush getting bitched everytime.

and yes, hopefully our secondary plays very well, because honestly if we go into new england with no pressure its over, brady will eat us apart. i would like to see these guys step it up.

wilsowilso · 09-19-2007, 05:17 PM

I'm sorry but Andre Carter needs to learn a few moves. I'm not complaining about out DLine except for him and he has still played pretty good. I just think that speed rush to the outside ten yards past the quarterback is useless. Try a drop step or cutback.

70Chip · 09-19-2007, 05:31 PM

The defensive line played great against the Eagles. The goal with McNabb is to try to keep him in the pocket. This means that pass-rushers cannot go all out to try to get to him because they have to be concerned with maintaining their contain. Andre Carter, for instance, can't really try to speed around the Tackle because that would leave a big lane for McNabb to run through. He has to try and be consious of McNabb the runner. Having said that, I think we did sck him twice if I'm not mistaken. Maybe more.

The bottom line is you want McNabb to be a pocket passer. That's your best chance to win.

Warrior1971 · 09-19-2007, 05:51 PM

Well all I have to say is, we are winning, the Defense is ranked #16th after week 2, ranked #9th against the run, so our Defensive line is doing a good job in that aspect. Anyone that knows a Greg Williams Defense knows he uses Defensive Line to stop the run and adds QB pressure with LB's and Defensive Backs. SO far I am happy with the Defensive play, even though I feel we should be playing better against the pass. But I feel we will get better in that area as the season progresses.

Hail to the Redskins!!!!!

jsarno · 09-19-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl4064

donovan had all day unless we were sending blitzing. i was pissed the entire game at that. every time there was a sack or any pressure at all i would see landry or rocky or washington in there. same thing with the dolphins game. i honestly think this may hurt us in the long run. i mean seriously was anyone else not screaming at the TV when Donovan would drop back and just casually look around for an open guy? good thing he sucks and our corners stepped up this week.

i know its too late to do anything about now, but we have to fix this in the offseason. and what the hell kind of tackle was that when evans hit westbrook before he took off for a 30 yard gain, disgusting.

I am right there with you. The only sacks we got were because our coverage in the secondary was outstanding. No sacks were generated from a pure rush...that is a huge concern and needs to be addressed next year.

MTK · 09-19-2007, 06:49 PM

Major issue??

I guess we already forget about last year. That defensive line was a major issue.

That Guy · 09-19-2007, 06:56 PM

DL still sucks. safeties - maybe the best depth in the league (4 starters), CB - 4 starters and what looks like a quality reserve. LBs - 4 starters and a young guy (blades). DL - 1 and three .5 starters with a decent 3rd DT... some minor age issues there too.

I mean, Griffin is good when healthy, but the rest of the DL is average at best, and that might be being nice. I like evans and the two young guys as depth, but we're missing an A1 DE right now.

I mean, we'll be around the 14th best D this year at this rate, and that's pretty good, but an aaron kampman/jason taylor or some such could really help (monster tackler/sack guy).

Rock Your Face · 09-19-2007, 06:59 PM

I too would like to see more pressure from the front 4, but they are much better this year at stopping the run. Getting pressure from the front 4 is important against all teams, but against the Giants and Lions coming up, it will be especially so.

09-19-2007, 04:40 PM	#2
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	Re: Defensive line still a major issue Dude, we won the game. We all know they could use a big-time pass rusher and hopefully they address next year. I don't see the point in griping about this right now. __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

09-19-2007, 04:41 PM	#3
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Defensive line still a major issue Both Carter and Marcus Washington had sacks from the DE positions. And Rocky had a sack. That;s good to me.

09-19-2007, 04:42 PM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,439	Re: Defensive line still a major issue Well I certainly am not opposed to us going after a stud pass rusher in the offseason, if we can get our hands on one. But to call the defensive line's play a major issue is flat out incorrect. I remember seeing Carter coming around the edge, forcing Donovan to evade him as Griffin pushed his way into the backfield, wrapping him up and taking him down. I saw several other instances in which Carter was coming around the edge and Donovan threw the ball just before Carter made contact. McNabb's throws were way off in most of those cases. Some blame it on the knee, and maybe that's true, but you could tell he could not set his feet and get comfortable in the pocket. Sacks aren't the only measure of defensive line play. Pressure itself makes a big impact on the game. Now, when McNabb started to get rolling at the end of the second half, he was getting the ball out quickly because GW had the corners back off and leave a cushion to prevent any huge plays. The line didn't have time to get to McNabb before the ball came out. I thought they did well the other night. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

09-19-2007, 04:52 PM	#5
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,325	Re: Defensive line still a major issue We definitely need more pressure from the front four. We won't have a top 5 defense till those guys can cause some problems. I think our line play is directly related to lack of turnovers.

09-19-2007, 04:53 PM	#6
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Defensive line still a major issue When we were using a 4 man rush for most of the game and sitting back in shell coverage we're not going to generate a ton of pressure. Also you don't bring tons of pressure against mobile QBs because if they break contain they're going to run for a long time.. Since Ellie Mae doesn't like pressure in his face, I'd expect to see Grilliams release the hounds more this week. We generated sufficient pressure to keep them out of the end zone and the win column, I'm happy enough with that. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

09-19-2007, 04:34 PM	#1
chrisl4064 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lake Travis, Texas Age: 44 Posts: 786	Defensive line still a major issue donovan had all day unless we were sending blitzing. i was pissed the entire game at that. every time there was a sack or any pressure at all i would see landry or rocky or washington in there. same thing with the dolphins game. i honestly think this may hurt us in the long run. i mean seriously was anyone else not screaming at the TV when Donovan would drop back and just casually look around for an open guy? good thing he sucks and our corners stepped up this week. i know its too late to do anything about now, but we have to fix this in the offseason. and what the hell kind of tackle was that when evans hit westbrook before he took off for a 30 yard gain, disgusting.

09-19-2007, 05:17 PM	#9
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: Defensive line still a major issue I'm sorry but Andre Carter needs to learn a few moves. I'm not complaining about out DLine except for him and he has still played pretty good. I just think that speed rush to the outside ten yards past the quarterback is useless. Try a drop step or cutback.

09-19-2007, 05:31 PM	#10
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 54 Posts: 3,048	Re: Defensive line still a major issue The defensive line played great against the Eagles. The goal with McNabb is to try to keep him in the pocket. This means that pass-rushers cannot go all out to try to get to him because they have to be concerned with maintaining their contain. Andre Carter, for instance, can't really try to speed around the Tackle because that would leave a big lane for McNabb to run through. He has to try and be consious of McNabb the runner. Having said that, I think we did sck him twice if I'm not mistaken. Maybe more. The bottom line is you want McNabb to be a pocket passer. That's your best chance to win. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

09-19-2007, 05:51 PM	#11
Warrior1971 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Raven, Virginia Posts: 38	Re: Defensive line still a major issue Well all I have to say is, we are winning, the Defense is ranked #16th after week 2, ranked #9th against the run, so our Defensive line is doing a good job in that aspect. Anyone that knows a Greg Williams Defense knows he uses Defensive Line to stop the run and adds QB pressure with LB's and Defensive Backs. SO far I am happy with the Defensive play, even though I feel we should be playing better against the pass. But I feel we will get better in that area as the season progresses. Hail to the Redskins!!!!!

09-19-2007, 06:49 PM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,740	Re: Defensive line still a major issue Major issue?? I guess we already forget about last year. That defensive line was a major issue. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-19-2007, 06:56 PM	#14
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,574	Re: Defensive line still a major issue DL still sucks. safeties - maybe the best depth in the league (4 starters), CB - 4 starters and what looks like a quality reserve. LBs - 4 starters and a young guy (blades). DL - 1 and three .5 starters with a decent 3rd DT... some minor age issues there too. I mean, Griffin is good when healthy, but the rest of the DL is average at best, and that might be being nice. I like evans and the two young guys as depth, but we're missing an A1 DE right now. I mean, we'll be around the 14th best D this year at this rate, and that's pretty good, but an aaron kampman/jason taylor or some such could really help (monster tackler/sack guy).

09-19-2007, 06:59 PM	#15
Rock Your Face Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 34	Re: Defensive line still a major issue I too would like to see more pressure from the front 4, but they are much better this year at stopping the run. Getting pressure from the front 4 is important against all teams, but against the Giants and Lions coming up, it will be especially so.

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