What If...?

SmootSmack · 08-01-2005, 12:58 AM

First off, let me just preface this by saying that I am really rooting for Ramsey to succeed and I think that he's more than capable of being a very good QB in the NFL for years to come.

But suppose, just suppose, that in the preseason Ramsey really struggles and Brunell (or even Campbell) on the other hand really plays well. Or at the very least, outplays Ramsey. Does Gibbs go back on what he said about Ramsey starting and go with the hot hand that gives them the best chance to win right now or does he just go ahead and throw Ramsey into the fire and let him learn on the job. At the expense of sacrificing another season?

I mean I don't think Gibbs would go back on his word. And I know he has talked about it not being a "quick-fix solution" here in Washington. But I think he must feel some pressure (internally at least) to have a winning record this year, if not a playoff appearance. So I don't know, just something I was thinking about today.

NY_Skinsfan · 08-01-2005, 01:17 AM

You know what...I think he sticks with Ramsey. I think Ramsey is really really going to have to stink up the joint to get pulled before the start of the season....but if this is the case, I really hope Gibbs skips over Mark and goes right to Campbell

12thMan · 08-01-2005, 01:20 AM

Interesting scenerio. I think it would basically boil down to down to wins and losses. If we go say, four and two..then five and two, or something. I think Gibbs sticks it out with Ramsey, no matter how he's playing. Gibbs will deflect concerns about Ramsey's performance and say, "Well Patrick's been really stickin it out for us the last couple of games and making some real good plays for us, but a couple of those balls could have gone either way.....if we could just get a couple of those passes back....Patrick's our starter, like I said at the begginning of the season. I don't see Gibbs pulling him before the half-way mark, especially if we have a winning record. Now let's flip the script...if we are say 2 and five or 2 and six, I think Gibbs will pull him at the half-way mark. And depending on who is number two at the time, will get the nod. As much as Skins fans would love to see JC get in there, he won't leap-frog over Brunell, much to our dismay, and get the call.

Redskins8588 · 08-01-2005, 01:30 AM

I don't think that if Ramsey has a bad pre-season Gibbs will pull him. Like Gibbs says himself, there were years that in his first time with the team they went 0-4 in pre-season then went on to win the Super Bowl. I am not saying that will be the case this year, but he gave those QB's a fair shot in the regular season so I think that will be the same with Ramsey....

everest3k · 08-01-2005, 03:14 AM

I hope for the best with Ramsey...

I really liked Brunell back in the day, but I think he's creeping up there...

I'm excited about seeing what JC can do.

I am also concerned by Gibb's recent comments during the press conference...or lack there of when it comes to Ramsey.

Did you guys hear him say anything which would lead you to believe he is excited about Ramsey's prospects? I remember him singling out several players as extremely motivated, but heard no such comment or excitement about ramsey.

JoeRedskin · 08-01-2005, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by everest3k

I am also concerned by Gibb's recent comments during the press conference...or lack there of when it comes to Ramsey.

Did you guys hear him say anything which would lead you to believe he is excited about Ramsey's prospects? I remember him singling out several players as extremely motivated, but heard no such comment or excitement about ramsey.

I gotta agree. I was listening to the comments thinking "well, that was a less than enthusiastic endorsement". I had to replay them a second time to make sure I wasn't imagining it.

Gibbs seemed to be saying: "Well, we're gonna give Ramsey a shot and hope he shows progression. He looks like he is maturing - but I'm not convinced."

dblanch66 · 08-01-2005, 06:37 AM

Yikes. That is frightening. Let's hope that Patrick exceeds everyone's expectations and becomes the Antonio Pierce of our offense.

mooby · 08-01-2005, 06:45 AM

That's a big what if, but anything's possible.

GoSkins! · 08-01-2005, 07:52 AM

I think that Ramsey will be playing against 1st string defenses and Brunnel against 2nd string defenses. They are not competing for 1st string like last year. Because of this, you won't be able to draw any conclusion from preseason on who should be QB. Ramsey will start the season (barring injury).

TheMalcolmConnection · 08-01-2005, 08:11 AM

I also like Ramsey FINALLY getting all the reps with the 1st team.

rickmmrr · 08-01-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I gotta agree. I was listening to the comments thinking "well, that was a less than enthusiastic endorsement". I had to replay them a second time to make sure I wasn't imagining it.

Gibbs seemed to be saying: "Well, we're gonna give Ramsey a shot and hope he shows progression. He looks like he is maturing - but I'm not convinced."

I noticed the same thing. I can't wait for Ramsey to "light it up".

Gmanc711 · 08-01-2005, 08:37 AM

In the preseason, I dont think so. If Ramsey is doing terrible through the first three or four regular season games, I wouldnt be surpsied so see him out alot quicker than Brunell last season. Preseason is like night and day. I am really, really, really pulling for Ramsey to prove his haters wrong though, and I think he will.

MTK · 08-01-2005, 08:44 AM

I'm not gonna even play the what if game.

Ramsey is the man and I expect big things from him this year.

The starting QB job is all his unless he gets hurt.

SmootSmack · 08-01-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I think that Ramsey will be playing against 1st string defenses and Brunnel against 2nd string defenses. They are not competing for 1st string like last year. Because of this, you won't be able to draw any conclusion from preseason on who should be QB. Ramsey will start the season (barring injury).

That's a good point that I really hadn't thought of....I should have also prefaced my original post by saying that I was totally sloshed out of my mind when I started thinking about this. Yes, there I was doing shots with some friends of mine and I suddenly thought "wow, what if Brunell really plays well this summer?"

FRPLG · 08-01-2005, 09:21 AM

Gibbs stuck with Brunell last year in the same type of situation. I think he sticks with Ramsey unless it becomes clear that he isn't the answer.

08-01-2005, 12:58 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	What If...? First off, let me just preface this by saying that I am really rooting for Ramsey to succeed and I think that he's more than capable of being a very good QB in the NFL for years to come. But suppose, just suppose, that in the preseason Ramsey really struggles and Brunell (or even Campbell) on the other hand really plays well. Or at the very least, outplays Ramsey. Does Gibbs go back on what he said about Ramsey starting and go with the hot hand that gives them the best chance to win right now or does he just go ahead and throw Ramsey into the fire and let him learn on the job. At the expense of sacrificing another season? I mean I don't think Gibbs would go back on his word. And I know he has talked about it not being a "quick-fix solution" here in Washington. But I think he must feel some pressure (internally at least) to have a winning record this year, if not a playoff appearance. So I don't know, just something I was thinking about today. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-01-2005, 01:17 AM	#2
NY_Skinsfan Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Albany, NY Age: 52 Posts: 838	Re: What If...? You know what...I think he sticks with Ramsey. I think Ramsey is really really going to have to stink up the joint to get pulled before the start of the season....but if this is the case, I really hope Gibbs skips over Mark and goes right to Campbell

08-01-2005, 01:20 AM	#3
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: What If...? Interesting scenerio. I think it would basically boil down to down to wins and losses. If we go say, four and two..then five and two, or something. I think Gibbs sticks it out with Ramsey, no matter how he's playing. Gibbs will deflect concerns about Ramsey's performance and say, "Well Patrick's been really stickin it out for us the last couple of games and making some real good plays for us, but a couple of those balls could have gone either way.....if we could just get a couple of those passes back....Patrick's our starter, like I said at the begginning of the season. I don't see Gibbs pulling him before the half-way mark, especially if we have a winning record. Now let's flip the script...if we are say 2 and five or 2 and six, I think Gibbs will pull him at the half-way mark. And depending on who is number two at the time, will get the nod. As much as Skins fans would love to see JC get in there, he won't leap-frog over Brunell, much to our dismay, and get the call.

08-01-2005, 01:30 AM	#4
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: What If...? I don't think that if Ramsey has a bad pre-season Gibbs will pull him. Like Gibbs says himself, there were years that in his first time with the team they went 0-4 in pre-season then went on to win the Super Bowl. I am not saying that will be the case this year, but he gave those QB's a fair shot in the regular season so I think that will be the same with Ramsey.... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

08-01-2005, 03:14 AM	#5
everest3k Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15	Re: What If...? I hope for the best with Ramsey... I really liked Brunell back in the day, but I think he's creeping up there... I'm excited about seeing what JC can do. I am also concerned by Gibb's recent comments during the press conference...or lack there of when it comes to Ramsey. Did you guys hear him say anything which would lead you to believe he is excited about Ramsey's prospects? I remember him singling out several players as extremely motivated, but heard no such comment or excitement about ramsey. __________________ Go Skins...

08-01-2005, 06:37 AM	#7
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 58 Posts: 1,176	Re: What If...? Yikes. That is frightening. Let's hope that Patrick exceeds everyone's expectations and becomes the Antonio Pierce of our offense.

08-01-2005, 06:45 AM	#8
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,544	Re: What If...? That's a big what if, but anything's possible.

08-01-2005, 07:52 AM	#9
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: What If...? I think that Ramsey will be playing against 1st string defenses and Brunnel against 2nd string defenses. They are not competing for 1st string like last year. Because of this, you won't be able to draw any conclusion from preseason on who should be QB. Ramsey will start the season (barring injury). __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

08-01-2005, 08:11 AM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,256	Re: What If...? I also like Ramsey FINALLY getting all the reps with the 1st team. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

08-01-2005, 08:37 AM	#12
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: What If...? In the preseason, I dont think so. If Ramsey is doing terrible through the first three or four regular season games, I wouldnt be surpsied so see him out alot quicker than Brunell last season. Preseason is like night and day. I am really, really, really pulling for Ramsey to prove his haters wrong though, and I think he will. __________________ #21

08-01-2005, 08:44 AM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,743	Re: What If...? I'm not gonna even play the what if game. Ramsey is the man and I expect big things from him this year. The starting QB job is all his unless he gets hurt. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-01-2005, 09:21 AM	#15
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: What If...? Gibbs stuck with Brunell last year in the same type of situation. I think he sticks with Ramsey unless it becomes clear that he isn't the answer.

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