JOE GIBBS needs to take control

[DGreen28]

Last year Gibbs had the skins on track. Listening to the media talk about his offense he made a change. MISTAKE Drop the new playbook in the trash and dust his off. Call 100% of the play from his play book. RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN you've got Betts, Duckett, and Rock give them the ball please. Why are we run on 1st down and throwing on 2nd and 3rd. If its not broken don't fix it. GIBBS is a HOF coach he needs to do what he knows works 3 RINGS

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

Last year Gibbs had the skins on track. Listening to the media talk about his offense he made a change. MISTAKE Drop the new playbook in the trash and dust his off. Call 100% of the play from his play book. RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN you've got Betts, Duckett, and Rock give them the ball please. Why are we run on 1st down and throwing on 2nd and 3rd. If its not broken don't fix it. GIBBS is a HOF coach he needs to do what he knows works 3 RINGS

I agree that Saunders has gotten a bit off the course. But beside that, you are more than incorrect in your assessment. The offense was more than broke last year. I am beyond pissed with people who say the offense was fine before, plain and simple.

It seems as if you all have completely forgotten about the last two playoff games, and why Saunders was brought in. Do you guys remember 25 yards of offense last year agaisnt Tampa?!?! And the crappy performance agaisnt the Hawks? That will not cut it in the NFL, shit we barely won agaisnt the Eagles at the end of our season, because our offense couldnt cut it, and our D came through.

Like Todd Collins said in the offseason, it will take the entire season to get a hold of, and even longer now that we have a QB change with a young QB.

Seriously people need to stfu, and be patient. Do you guys realize that this continous changing is what has caused the Skins to suck the last decade. Stick with it for atleast another year or two, then come back and talk. Dont blame this crap only on Al, if he had a D to help him out, the Skins would be doing much better.

Last year Gibbs only had 3 people involved in the offense, excluding Brunell. Moss, Cooley and Portis. Those guys did great on our little run, but Ds are smart in the NFL and they caught on. They would stack 8 in the box, and double Moss, and let Cooley get short gains. Our offense collasped the last three games, and we were lucky enough to have a defense that could keep us in games.

Honestly offense, under Gibbs v2.0, has only looked powerful for four games in a row(I am not counting the Philly game because our offense was not good at all, ST won the game), otherwise they have been sub par at best. I am including the 04 season as well in my assessment. Very inconsistent, and not cut for the current NFL.

All you haters need to relax, and realize Al is the best bet for the long run.

[DGreen28]

The offense last year was better remember Brunell was QB

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

The offense last year was better remember Brunell was QB

Are you even reading my post?? Debate the facts that I have just put up. The offense was terrible last year and very inconsistent, it was the defense that won alot of games for us. Towards the end the offense clicked for 4 games, and then the rest of the NFL picked up.

[DGreen28]

THis offense blow out 49ers and was ranked 11th at the end of the year

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

THis offense blow out 49ers and was ranked 11th at the end of the year

Right but that stat shows nothing about consistancy at all. That 11th ranking is inflated due to the good performance towards the end of the season. Again, our offense was very easy to read, and it was shutout in the playoffs, when it counts. We shouldnt have even had that Moss TD, 100 percent luck.

[DGreen28]

If you change the offense year after year. Its going to be inconsistent. The reason that P. Manning is so successful is that the offense has been the same for years I E he knows it inside and out

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

If you change the offense year after year. Its going to be inconsistent. The reason that P. Manning is so successful is that the offense has been the same for years I E he knows it inside and out

Exactly, so why change it again?? Yeah Gibbs is proven, but so is Al Saunders, and he has proven he is successful recently, as opposed to Gibbs being successful in the past. Just like you said, alot of change is bad.

So why not stop calling for Saunders head, give him a chance, and one more year and see what happens, instead of going back to Gibbs again, and reversing the learning process the team has spent for months.


Again if anyone wants to seriously debate, please counter my points made in my original post.

[DGreen28]

AT least they made the playoffs last year. If you go to the playoffs you don't reconstruct the offense. So everyone has to learn a new offense all over again.

[DGreen28]

All I have to say is KC never went to the SB with AL but GIbbs has 3 rings

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

AT least they made the playoffs last year. If you go to the playoffs you don't reconstruct the offense. So everyone has to learn a new offense all over again.

Wrong again, yeah we made it to the playoffs, but our offense didnt make it anywhere at all. The Skins are better than just a playoff team, and they should be able to make it to the further rounds with the current talent.

If we went this year with the same offense I promise you the Ds would have picked up, and we would have similar performances.

Why change? Because we barely made it out of the wild card game, and our offense was culprit. We had bigger and higher dreams, and bc we made the playoffs, we wanted to take it to the next step. Our D was fine last year(I feel that change was not needed at all), but our offense was completely owned.

It was not like we put in a new offense last year and it was taking time to develop, the offense had been in place for two years, but it had never really gotten going. And when it was simplified, it worked for 4 games, and then it was completely stopped.

That is why change was needed. Gibbs system was in place for two years, and it didnt work. It would be beyond unfair to not give Al ATLEAST two years, because he is proven as well.

[MTK]

The offense isn't even the main issue right now. Fix the D and most of our problems would be solved. I don't know why some people are so intent on focusing on the offense. It's too late for any wholesale changes to the systems at this point in the year anyway.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

All I have to say is KC never went to the SB with AL but GIbbs has 3 rings

Congrats, KC never had a good D. We were suppose to have one this year, but that didnt happen. I honestly felt we would barely make the playoffs this year, and I had somewhat expected the offense not to click right away.

I did not expect our D to suck ass, that why we are in a hole right now. If our D was like last years, we would still be in the running.



If that is all you have to counter me with, then this debate is over.

[DGreen28]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Congrats, KC never had a good D. We were suppose to have one this year, but that didnt happen. I honestly felt we would barely make the playoffs this year, and I had somewhat expected the offense not to click right away.

I did not expect our D to suck ass, that why we are in a hole right now. If our D was like last years, we would still be in the running.



If that is all you have to counter me with, then this debate is over.

All the skins needed last was WR's not a hole new offense. Do you think that Lloyd and ARE wouldn't have made a difference!

[freddyg12]

the real question is would replacing brunell have 'fixed' Gibbs' offense? The O played well until MB got hurt against the NYG. Even Ramsey came in & threw some td's. That inconsistency we saw at the end of last year had a lot to do w/brunell's knees. Teams were stackin the box w/no fear of our passing game.