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12thMan · 09-26-2011, 02:01 PM

SS33, you're weaving the dog fighting charge into this argument which I have no interest in discussing. However, we could very easily go down the pecking order of star athletes across the sports world and I guarantee you there's a clip or quote somewhere of them being frustrated following a loss to a divisional foe. I don't think Mick Vick is anymore of whiner in this particular nstance than say, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Ledainian Tomlinson, or Michael Jordan for that matter. All star athletes have allowed the heat of the moment to get the best of them after a tough loss.

The difference here is Vick didn't call this presser. Had he initiated a Mike Vick Monday presser, stood in front of the cameras with the express purpose to rip the refs, then I'd say yeah this guy is being a little soft. But he didn't. His hand was banged up, his team just got their asses handed to them, and he was live 20 minutes later. What was he supposed to say, oh yeah, it's all good.

The title of the thread seems a little disingenuous because it singles out Mike Vick as soft or whiny and I don't feel he has a history of whining about being hit late or when things on the gridiron don't go his way.

My final point is, who in the hell are you ---or any of us-- to say Michael Vick has been coddled all of his life? We don't know shit about what Mike Vick went through to get to where he is. Do you know how hard it is to even make it on a major college team? Character flaws aside, he worked his ass off to get where he is. Even since leaving the Atlanta Falcons the guy has worked on his technique and improved his game in some key areas. It's not even up for dispute, he has become a better pocket passer. So I kind of take issue with the idea that things fell into his lap because "he's gifted" and people "coddled" him. He honed his gift, perfected his craft, and rose to the top of his profession. JaMarcus Russell is an example of someone being coddled and gifted and consequently washing out of the league. Same with Ryan Leaf. Both were immense talents, but they were just too arrogant and lazy to become better pros and excel.

09-26-2011, 02:01 PM	#84
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Vick is a crybaby SS33, you're weaving the dog fighting charge into this argument which I have no interest in discussing. However, we could very easily go down the pecking order of star athletes across the sports world and I guarantee you there's a clip or quote somewhere of them being frustrated following a loss to a divisional foe. I don't think Mick Vick is anymore of whiner in this particular nstance than say, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Ledainian Tomlinson, or Michael Jordan for that matter. All star athletes have allowed the heat of the moment to get the best of them after a tough loss. The difference here is Vick didn't call this presser. Had he initiated a Mike Vick Monday presser, stood in front of the cameras with the express purpose to rip the refs, then I'd say yeah this guy is being a little soft. But he didn't. His hand was banged up, his team just got their asses handed to them, and he was live 20 minutes later. What was he supposed to say, oh yeah, it's all good. The title of the thread seems a little disingenuous because it singles out Mike Vick as soft or whiny and I don't feel he has a history of whining about being hit late or when things on the gridiron don't go his way. My final point is, who in the hell are you ---or any of us-- to say Michael Vick has been coddled all of his life? We don't know shit about what Mike Vick went through to get to where he is. Do you know how hard it is to even make it on a major college team? Character flaws aside, he worked his ass off to get where he is. Even since leaving the Atlanta Falcons the guy has worked on his technique and improved his game in some key areas. It's not even up for dispute, he has become a better pocket passer. So I kind of take issue with the idea that things fell into his lap because "he's gifted" and people "coddled" him. He honed his gift, perfected his craft, and rose to the top of his profession. JaMarcus Russell is an example of someone being coddled and gifted and consequently washing out of the league. Same with Ryan Leaf. Both were immense talents, but they were just too arrogant and lazy to become better pros and excel.