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Go low like around $16,500 and work up. They might luagh at you but they may also say yes. You can always go higher but you can never go lower after making an offer. Car sales are slow so you have that going for you. Have you looked in the private market because you can usually save money that way and just because its cerified really means nothing. To me certified just gives them a chance to cover up abuse and neglect. I rather see a car before they get to clean it up and change the fkuids. After they change the fkuids you cannot tell much by looking at new fluids.