[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can I (carefully) point out that you've done nothing to give any context for Lockers numbers? You've just attributed 5 incompletion in his statistical record against USC to drops. That's attribution, not context.

I wasn't trying to give context i was pointing out that stats w/o context aren't very meaningful.

I already considered all of the above when looking at the gap between Jake Locker and the next worst guy at completing his college passes.

Have you? B/c you're apparently relying on the comp% stat as the most significant measure of a QB skillset.
My point again is that comp % is very much effected by the quality of the team around the QB.

Jake Locker is not the only college quarterback who had five or more of his passes dropped this year. I don't think you were unaware of this, it just seems like you don't care.

You're right he's not but why would you assume that i don't care?
B/c i disagree w/ your statistical prediction based on comp %; a comp% which is effected not only by drops but the overall quality of the team that surrounds the QB?

And although He's your guy. His drops matter, and Blaine Gabbert's don't. That's your point. It's a very biased one, but you're entitled to have it. I'm entitled to not care, and still hold objectivity.

I'm telling you what my point is; but you're trying to tell me its something else?
What kind of way is this to have a discussion?
What you've done is created a strawman argument based on drops between Locker and Gabbert.

I'm gonna quote my entire post here for the sake of clarity to prevent further strawman arguments:

Originally Posted by 30gut

Wait how do you know what expect from Locker?
I wouldn't have pegged you as a stat guy when it comes to QB evaluation.
I've watched quite a few Washington games and if you haven't watched them play you don't have a context to understand Locker's stats/comp%.

E.g. I've charted Locker's throws from the USC game and there were 5 flat out drops and a few throw aways and although i haven't charted everygame available on youtube i've watched most, and know a Husky fan that tells me that the drops were a very common occurance all season.
Question:
Would you or the people in this forum be interested in a thread on the top QB prospects?
A thread that invite people to take a closer look (past the stats) at the commonly available game cut-ups (youtube) and discuss the particular plays from the same game so all have the same frame of reference and can discuss the specific plays that lead to the stats in context.

Notice that the drops are a part of my point and not the point.
I mentioned the drops as an example hence e.g.

Did i say that other QBs drops don't matter?
(And for the record i actually like Gabbert as prospect)

Completion percentage isn't really a great measure of accuracy (though Locker IS very, very wild -- he's probably not the wildest thrower I've ever evaluated). It is a great measure of completions against attempts. Locker is a wildly inconsistent thrower at the college level,

This is exactly the notion that i disagree with.
B/c before i watched some of Locker cut-ups i held a similar belief based on the stats and the media and interent draft experts.
But, when i watched Locker in the games i didn't see Locker miss any more throws then I would consider normal for a QB.
I've watched many of Gabbert games as well and like any QB he also missed some throws.
When i watch Locker i don't see a 'wild' thrower at all.
I see a QB working hard behind an OL that he nor the coach have much confidence in, i see a QB that is in command of an offense w/ limited talent.
I see a QB with quick feet, solid mechanics and a compact throwing motion.
He's got a strong arm and is very good at throwing on the move and is very accurate when doing it.
He's also very athletic and has good playmaking ability.

and expecting him to be something else at the professional level would be, in my opinion, a poor interpretation of the available evidence,

Well yeah if you think the guy is a wild thrower then logically you wouldn't expect him to improve by much.

It's not a be-all end-all. It's merely showing that players who struggle with their completion percentage have a tendency to not make it up elsewhere.

Conversely i could show some QB who comp% have been effected by the quality of the team and coaching around them.
Drew Brees-
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...B/BreeDr00.htm
SDG-62.2%
NOR-67%
Steve Young-
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Y/YounSt00.htm
SF-65.8
TB-53.8
Trent Green-
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...G/GreeTr00.htm
KSC-61.9
STL-58.7
WAS-54.5
There's also Brian Greise, Jeff George, Drew Bledsoe, Jake Plummer


-Again out of curiosity how many Washington games did you watch this year?(Other then the Bowl game?)
I've seen cut-ups of the following Washington games:
Syracuse
BYU
Arizona State
Oregon State
Stanford
USC
Washington Cougars
Arizona (2009)