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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101
That was the point for the ppl who put up Brady's stats and say that JC is in the same ballpark due to their similiar Comp% and yards.They leave out the TD's and W's so the stats that they provided would make the 2 seem even when like we both said can make whatever point the provider wants to make.
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Don't blame the tool being used, blame the person who is doing the twisting.
If you use statistics irresponsibly to try to support a poor point rather than using them as evidence to arrive at the proper conclusion, they are worthless.
The difference between Brady, 03 and Brady, 04 can be seen in the conventional stats at PFR, but is only really, really obvious once you look deeper.
This is the Football Outsiders' QB chart for
2003, and this is it for
2004. On the 2003 list, Brady shows up around names like Kitna, McNabb, Brad Johnson, and Testeverde, and below the luminary trancendental passer Aaron Brooks. But in 2004, in the same offense with the same quality of weaponry, he reached levels near Manning, Trent Green, Culpepper, and Favre.
The bottom line is that in 2003, Tom Brady won a super bowl without outperforming Jason Campbell (2008 version) in any meaningful way. If you had cut off the analysis right there, you couldn't make an argument that Brady was better based on anything but a hunch that he would improve.
Once you extend Brady's career past three years as a starter, you can see he turned into one of the best passers of all time. You can see it in the meticulous study he puts into every game he plays, the thing that separates him from the Jay Cutlers and Daunte Culpeppers of the world. Brady has since become a great player.
I don't know anyone who thinks that if you kept Jason Campbell in the same offense he's in now another year, he'd wind up being a top five quarterback next year. No one, myself included, has the balls to predict that. It's happened before, but players who have a fifth year swoon the way Campbell has usually end up as journeymen. For those who aren't forced out the door, you usually end up with a whole bunch of seasons that look like Campbell's 08. And you can win with that, but again, you'll have to actually put some real talent on the offense, and not expect Campbell to eventually figure out how to turn water into wine. That's not happening anytime soon.