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Originally Posted by jsarno

I disagree 100%.
Look at a dog. If he pees on the carpet and you let it go, he will continue to do so. If you shove his nose in it, spank him and throw him outside, he eventually learns not to do it.
If you cut the hand off a person that steals, and others watch it, do you seriously think that won't deter others from stealing? I certainly do. Punishment absolutely prevents issues if the punishment is severe enough.

But you don't do all that to the dog before he pees on the carpet do you? You're not shoving his nose in the carpet just because

I think that's what SGG is trying to say