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Originally Posted by offiss
So you have a problem with Hutchinson's happy feet, which by the way Ramsey doesn't have, and you want Collin's? The king of happy feet. Anyone who would put Ramsey in the same catagory as Hutchinson, hasen't watched a whole lot of football, the fact is, Hutchinson is a lowsy football player, And the fact is Ramsey is learning a whole new system, and not only does he have to learn a new system, the coach is running a very simple version of that system, which is allowing defenses to read and react better, this wont happen in the regular season, to judge Ramsey right now as a failure, is to not have a clue about Joe Gibb's, and how he run's his pre-season, under Gibb's the skin's are one of the worst pre-season team's in the league, 0-5 and a SB victory, and he's still fooling people, infact William's couldn't keep his mouth shut about it, he was trying to defend why we were beat so bad, Gibb's loves to play the underdog and he's setting that up, and then everyone will realize pre-season doesn't mean jack in the win lose catagory, By the way how did the 13 year veteran Brunnell look in that offense the other night? Exept for 1 long TD pass to McCant's this pre-season, he hasen't looked much better than Ramsey.
As for Portis, are we to believe that stephen Jackson is on the same level as Portis, he ran against a lot of scrub's the other night, I didn't see a whole lot to make me think this kid will be an elite back? There is a reason he fell so far, with team's like the eagles and cowboy's desperate for a running back passed on him, we did give up to much for portis, the second round pick was to much, but everyone look's at this deal as Champ being a hall of fame CB, and he's not that kind of talent, he was beat many a time playing for us, case and point, everyone in denver keep's talking about using Champ on offense, and kick return's, good luck, he was awful any time we used him on special's when he handled the ball, the guy couldn't catch, I think Champ is a product of more hype than substance, He's no Daryl Green, or Deion, or Haines, or any of the other elite CB's to have played the game, Spring's so long as he stay's healthy, will replace him no problem,
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I just have a difference in Philosophy here..and see this from my angle
..from a cap number/draft selection given up philosophy
Is Portis, along with his 8 year, 50 million contract along with 10 or so mill signing bonus along with giving up Bailey and a 2 a better deal than keeping your 2nd, (by not trading CB) your 3rd ( but being patient for a vet QB to become available and then using your 2nd and 3rd to move up and draft Jackson, who comes with a cap number a lot less than Portis, especially after year 3 of the contract and beyond?
Now, I understand Bailey would have gotten Portis money and them some, but what would you rather have --Bailey/Jackson/Collins or Portis/Springs/Brunnel?
How about a Taylor and Jackson for your efforts in the 1st?
The consider the system Gibbs has up there..what kind of backs have thrived?
Gibbs has never had a smaller, shiftier back..always a plowhorse when things were at their peak ala Riggins and Gerald Riggs
We the Eagles werent as desparate for Jackson..they already had Wesbrook and @ the time a healthy Buckhalter..they got the guy they coveted..Andrews by giving swapping 1st's and giving up up a 2nd to SF to secure him
Wile Jackson was a good prospect, he wasnt an elite prospect...our scouting dept had Jackson, Kevin Jones and Julius Jones rated as nearly the same (with K Jones being the #1 back)..so picking up a #1 next year made the decision easy
I just dont see that much of a difference between Collins and Brunnel
Im not saying Brunnel isnt a better QB because he is..his career stats prove it ..But to the tune of is he 6 years, 43 mil with a healthy SB and a 3nd round draft pick better?
No way
Collins behind an effective offensive line is a good QB..as witness by his Super Bowl season 4 years ago and just 2 years ago when the Giants offense was extremely effective and got them to the playoffs before the Giants D collapased with a 38-14 lead
I just dont like the way My Snyder is mortgages the future...just like JJ used too up until 4 years ago
the LB spot..you guys have 3 very good LB's but have a very average DL. The LB's could have a tough time because of the play of the DL if opposing OL are getting out to your LB's
And if the DL isnt getting to the QB, and LB's are being blitzed, the secondary is gonna receive plenty of attention
Bailey wasnt as good as all the hype he received, but he was still a very good player.
Smoot isnt Bailey...and either is Springs althoug I agree with your take on Springs..if healthy and he remains healthy he's gonna make plays
And as good as Taylor is gonna be, he cant cover everyone