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Originally Posted by itvnetop

Instead of using red herring arguments ("if we had 4 vince youngs, we would win 12 games"), give some logical reasons why you think VY will fail. His throwing motion can definitely be improved, his passing percentage could be higher, etc.

Well, I have on many occasions. I don't remember all I posted on this thread, but there was another thread that said "Vince Young will be the greatest in a couple years" (or something close to that). I posted a lot of contradictory stats on that thread, and many pursuasive arguments.

If there are no such instances of one player making a difference, why do some teams actually play better when a switch is made at QB? I bet Tony Romo didn't have anything to do with giving his team a spark this season right? Me being an SC alum, there's no way you can tell me that Texas would have beaten SC in the Rose Bowl without VY least year... in fact, UT wouldn't have even made a BCS bowl last year without VY. That just shoots down your entire argument that one player can make a three win difference. Don't they also say that a steady kicker can make a two win difference in a season? It is a team effort (like you say), but one player can will that team effort (as has been proven time and time again). Fact: The Titans (as a team) do not go on a 6 game win streak with Billy Volek [edit: make that Kerry Collins] at the helm.

No, that's opinion. Just becuase the team played better under Young, doesn't mean it would not have happened under Volek or Collins. If a coach makes a midseason speech that encourages and energizes the team, does that coach single handedly win the rest of the season for the team? No. It's a team effort and the team has to decide to play well together or not.
I think you are thinking I am saying that Young had nothing to do with that run of wins...I'm not. Young was very much a shot in the arm for the Titans, and got them to play at a higher level. However, that alone does not warrent the rookie of the year award.

How are you so sure that you are right? I mean, I'm sure of some things too- but that doesn't mean there's not a small chance of others being right too... Are you truly saying that VY has no shot at being a great QB in this league? Obviously, he won the ROY for a reason- people that watch football chose him over Colston, MJD and Bush.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it. The only way I could be wrong is if Vince realizes this is a passing league. When he works day in and day out on passing the ball and working on mechanics. McNabb is a prime example. McNabbs first season he passed for 49.1% in 99. It wasn't until 04, his 6th season, that he finally got with the program. His comp% went to an all time high of 64% and had more than 500 yards passing more than his previous career high. Plus went from 16 tds to 31 tds passing in a single season. His rushing numbers were basically cut in half. No coincidence, that was the year they went 13-3 and lost by only 3 in the super bowl.
McNabb was the kind that wanted to get better and took that negative and turned it into positive. I see Vince Young as the Micheal Vick kind that gets upset about people saying he can't pass, but is not willing to listen. I could be wrong. I hope I am, cause Vince can be one heck of a QB if he learns to throw. Vick will be nothing until he realizes that as well. The more people praise a kid gets even though his flaws are overwhelmingly glaring, the more he feels he needs to stick with what he's doing. What Vince did in college won't work in the NFL. Sure you can win 8-10 games with it with the right cast, but it will NEVER translate into a super bowl win.