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Originally Posted by Daseal
American, Love it or get out? This statement is the most flawed you overly patriotic people like to overuse. Part of my civil rights include being able to criticize anything I like and have no sort of backlash from it. America right now is one of the most hated countries in the world. You think this is without merit? We're taking over the roll of the world police, and we have no place to force democracy where the people don't want it. It's not our place.
Now, if we love our civil rights so much. How come we go into Iraq and shut down newspapers because they don't make the US out to be some lovely country working for the good of the Iraqi people. I've said in other threads I've talked to multiple marines that think this war is absolutely useless. They have mentioned that Iraq is a lot like the US, not like the media likes to portray it. I haven't seen it for myself, but I know at least 3 people that have spent time over there, and their stories all seem to agree.
I'm in favor of bombing when we have evidence. I'm sorry, but killing a bunch of children on a hunch isn't exactly my idea of a good move. There are other ways to diffuse these terrorist situations. We could start respecting the rest of the world. There's a reason the other major nations in the UN didn't support us. It's because we don't even have a leg to stand on.
You're right. The machine analogy isn't the best. People know that there is a chance that they will be called into duty. However, he was doing his JOB which we can all agree on. From what I know of the Iraqi war (the only first hand accounts I have, I'm assuming Afghanistan is somewhat similar) they sit around and play cards a lot, and don't see a whole lot of action. If the Rangers are involved, it's probably a known hot bed. So he knew what he was getting into. Before you rock me for "not being patriotic" I tell you right now my family comes from a long line of Military people. One grandfather in the Korean War was found with 30 dead Koreans around him in order to save his commander. Another Grandfather heavily decorated for his bombing in WW2, silver star, etc. However, I'm not trying to play favorites through associaition. I am very against this war, and most wars. Unless I am in imminent danger, there's no need. I believe the monroe doctrine was absolutely the best policy the US ever adopted.
We're a strong and powerful nation, in military terms, perhaps the best. We need to sell our military off and help people in other aspects. Not to mention it's costing 40 billion a month along with hundreds of troops. If you see that as worth it, maybe you should look at your politics, buddy.
If someone wanted to do something similar to the WTC, it wouldn't be that hard. As shown people can slip things by Airport security (ie that 18 year old who while demonstrating the problems in the airlines security is now getting sued.) Isn't great. Not to mention another WTC type attack would deystroy our economy. I believe it was the Wall Street Journal that had an article which said if we had another Airplane related terrorist strike 4 major airlines would go out of business within a week. The terrorists know this. They are very smart, not just cave dwelling idiots as commonly thought.
Answer me this. Why was the first thing Bush did was fly Bin laden's family out of the country after 9/11. The Bin laden's know the BUshs. Hell, Bush Sr. used to fund little Usama. But that doesn't matter. "You can be a terrorist, as long as it's for the US then it's OK" -Dead Prez
We used to hire this guy to do awful acts against Russia. But that's ok, right?
Come on, as a country our political vision is skewed and we need to learn how to mind our own business. Pat Tillman, I feel bad for the family, but he isn't any more of a hero than Joe Schmoe who died.
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it's only skewed by liberal thinking that want's to excuse the good we do for the world and the lives we sacrifice so that million's of other's may live a free life, and have an opportunity of religous freedom, not to come under the hand of a dictator, who executes anyone who has anything to say other than the party line, It's to bad you can't see that we are the police of the world, being an american doesn't just mean taking care of american's, it mean's looking out in the world and doing our best to see that other's may some day have the same opportunities as we. Are we perfect? no. but we have a history of trying to do the right thing, and trying to correct the thing's we do wrong, and using the god givin abundance we have in this country for the good of all man kind, maybe you believe men like sadam, and bin laden, as well as castro, and on and on are fine, and all is well with men like this, and nothing should ever be done no matter how many attrocities they committ, and how many they will committ if left alone, so long as it's not an american that is slaughtered you are fine with that, a guy like you will never understand the mind set of people like this until they manage to set off some kind of nucleur device in 1 of our major cities, then all we will here out of someone like you, is why didn't the bush administration do something, and they had to know about this plot, when not only does the current administration have to deal with people who if they had thier wish would destroy us in a heartbeat, but they have to first fight people like yourself trying to protect these mad men. As for the UN it wouldn't exist if it wasen't for all the money we pump into it trying to keep some kind of communication open for world peace, and I am sorry they didn't approve our war against afgan. after they took down the WTC, and I was so heartbroken about all those innocent people jumping around in the street's applauding bin laden, who may have been caught in the line of fire, but I ask you who is worse the US for doing everything we can to avoid civilian casualties, [including jepordizing the lives of our own soldier's] to secure peace, not just for us but for the world as well, or these coward's who are such humanitierin's that they use woman and children as shield's to hide behind and act like warrior's? YEA, THERE JUST LIKE AMERICAN'S!
Are you aware that bin laden's own family excommunicated him from saudi arabia a year's ago? Why? because his own family knew he was a nut job, how do you think he wound up in afgan. to begin with?