Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 

Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/url])

[b]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.

"We feel like either one of our backs are capable of being in there," Gibbs said. "And on that particular drive, it was Ladell who was in there."[/b]

Also, Jeremy Green's (Scouts Inc.) take which supports a lot of what the Warpathers have been saying tonight..
[b]
The Washington Redskins took an early lead in this game, but this team has no "killer" instinct. Despite three Washington turnovers and plenty of opportunities, offensive coordinator Al Saunders refused to take the handcuffs off QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins never opened up the passing game until it was too late. Campbell showed great poise in the first half, but then in the second half, the Redskins had way too many third-and-long situations because they would not throw the ball on first and second down. When the Redskins needed to crank up the passing game late, it just was not there. Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El were completely neutralized in this game. That's not just Campbell's fault, Saunders and the offensive coaches need to shoulder a big portion of the blame as well. This offensive is way too conservative. With three shots inside the 3-yard-line, Clinton Portis is on the bench and they only attempt one pass. Until they open up the offense and turn Campbell loose, the Redskins are going to be in close games every weekend.
-- Jeremy Green, Scouts Inc.[/b]

Discuss..

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[quote=Paintrain;356263]Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028"]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/URL])

[B]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.

"We feel like either one of our backs are capable of being in there," Gibbs said. "And on that particular drive, it was Ladell who was in there."[/B]

Also, Jeremy Green's (Scouts Inc.) take which supports a lot of what the Warpathers have been saying tonight..
[B]
The Washington Redskins took an early lead in this game, but this team has no "killer" instinct. Despite three Washington turnovers and plenty of opportunities, offensive coordinator Al Saunders refused to take the handcuffs off QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins never opened up the passing game until it was too late. Campbell showed great poise in the first half, but then in the second half, the Redskins had way too many third-and-long situations because they would not throw the ball on first and second down. When the Redskins needed to crank up the passing game late, it just was not there. Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El were completely neutralized in this game. That's not just Campbell's fault, Saunders and the offensive coaches need to shoulder a big portion of the blame as well. This offensive is way too conservative. With three shots inside the 3-yard-line, Clinton Portis is on the bench and they only attempt one pass. [I]Until they open up the offense and turn Campbell loose, the Redskins are going to be in close games every weekend.[/I]
-- Jeremy Green, Scouts Inc.[/B]

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Plain and simple. Green couldn't have said it any better.

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Makes a lot of sense. In Gibbs 2.0, he's been almost obsessed with turnovers, to the point that our offense has been almost effectively neutered. I love Gibbs to death, but running Portis solely up the middle makes as much sense as offroading in a Ferrari. And they've been saying how much improvement Campbell has made, let's see them back that up and let the guy throw. I don't disagree with running the ball on first down in the 2nd half, we had a lead and you have to shorten the game at that point.

Oh, and I've heard Gibbs say this before, that Betts and Portis are interchangeable. Then why does one guy get paid so much more than the other guy? Maybe because he's better, perhaps? So why not go with the guy who cashes the big checks, there's probably a very good reason why he makes so much money.

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[quote=Paintrain;356263]Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028"]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/URL])

[B]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.[/B]

[B]"We feel like either one of our backs are capable of being in there," Gibbs said. "And on that particular drive, it was Ladell who was in there."[/B]

Also, Jeremy Green's (Scouts Inc.) take which supports a lot of what the Warpathers have been saying tonight..

[B]The Washington Redskins took an early lead in this game, but this team has no "killer" instinct. Despite three Washington turnovers and plenty of opportunities, offensive coordinator Al Saunders refused to take the handcuffs off QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins never opened up the passing game until it was too late. Campbell showed great poise in the first half, but then in the second half, the Redskins had way too many third-and-long situations because they would not throw the ball on first and second down. When the Redskins needed to crank up the passing game late, it just was not there. Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El were completely neutralized in this game. That's not just Campbell's fault, Saunders and the offensive coaches need to shoulder a big portion of the blame as well. This offensive is way too conservative. With three shots inside the 3-yard-line, Clinton Portis is on the bench and they only attempt one pass. Until they open up the offense and turn Campbell loose, the Redskins are going to be in close games every weekend.[/B]
[B]-- Jeremy Green, Scouts Inc.[/B]

Discuss..[/quote]

Dude hit it right on the head. Gibbs needs to get the hell out of the way and let Al run it his way. I know this isn't the Al Sanders that ran the KC offense. I'm sick and tired of this conservative bullshit 1980's run it up the middle offense. Enough is enough.

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i knew it

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I pretty much agree with what Green said. This offense needs to open it up more, there's no reason why we shouldn't have been able to punch the ball in at the end. If Gibbs wanted to run the ball in, he should've used Sellers at least. Sellers is more of a short yardage back than Betts will ever be.

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For the love of all that's Redskins, it was fourth down with no time outs and just 30 seconds to come up with a play. We didn't exactly have loads of time to change out personnel and to call the perfect play.

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true but run Betts? 30 seconds is more than enough time to come up with a creative play.

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how about when the spiked the ball or the incomplete pass there was no time then to change out personell, Im not buying it

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[quote=skinsguy;356302]For the love of all that's Redskins, it was fourth down with no time outs and just 30 seconds to come up with a play. We didn't exactly have loads of time to change out personnel and to call the perfect play.[/quote]

it shouldn't have even come down to that.

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[quote=mooby;356318]true but run Betts? 30 seconds is more than enough time to come up with a creative play.[/quote]They definately rushed their playcalling when they didn't need to, BUT thats no excuse to run two running plays from the one and not score. Only the blockers and Betts himself can take the blame for that.

And no, it shouldn't have come down to that. However, it did, and the fact that it shouldn't have come down to that is not an excuse for poor execution.

Jeremy Green is completely wrong. I understand his point about Gibbs, and I know it wasn't pretty, but how can we "take the handcuffs" off Campbell? We threw 21 out of the 29 plays in the second half (spikes omitted)!! I know we were chasing, but Campbell DID NOT COMPLETE A PASS FOR POSITIVE YARDAGE IN THE SECOND HALF UNTIL WE WERE TRAILING. He had 4 incompletions, a scramble, and a -4 yard completion before he completed a pass for positive yardage in the second half.

Theres really no defense for J. Green's analysis. He obviously didn't do any and is clearly in the wrong.

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ummm why did you leave the following part out or not mention it
why not quote the whole thing


"Gibbs said he told Campbell the plays to run, indicating that Gibbs apparently had taken over the play-calling duties usually held by assistant coach Al Saunders. Later, Gibbs clarified his remarks, saying he was just reinforcing the plays called by Saunders to the young quarterback."

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100% right.

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A pretty good assessment. Way to conservative.

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays..
 

[quote=Paintrain;356263]Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028"]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/URL])

[B]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.[/B]

[B]...[/B][/quote]Gibbs needs to let Saunders do his job in crunch time. I'm convinced that the offense looks like a Chinese fire drill in the last two minutes because there is input from too many people.