Free Agent WRs
 

Barring a trade, here are the guys expected to be available.


UFA’s

[b]1)David Givens NE[/b]
2)Reggie Wayne Ind -- would like, but he wants to be a #1
3)Josh Reed Buf
4)Randy Hymes Bal
5)Antonio Bryant Cle --talented, but serious character/legal issues in past
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit
7)Eric Moulds Buf
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea
9)Peter Warrick Sea
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou -- maybe, but would need more end zone production
11)Rod Gardner Car
[b]12)Corey Bradford Hou[/b]
13)Kevin Johnson Det
14)Peerless Price Dal
15)Dez White Atl
[b]16)Koren Robinson Min[/b]
17)Quincy Morgan Pit
18)Az-Zhair Hakim NO
19)Tim Carter NYG
20)David Boston Mia
21)Ike Hillard TB
22)Troy Brown NE -- worth a thought
23)Tim Dwight NE
24)Jerome Pathon Atl
25)Charles Lee Ari
26)Marc Boerighter KC
27)Reggie Swinton Ari
28)Troy Walters Ind
29)Patrick Johnson Bal

RFA’s

[b]1)Brandon Lloyd SF[/b]
2)Patrick Crayton Dal
3)Nate Burleson Min
4)Eddie Drummond Det-KR
5)Kevin Walter Cin
6)Shaun McDonald Stl
7)Willie Ponder NYG
[b]8)Kevin Curtis Stl[/b] -- probably will NOT be let go by STL
9)Kelley Washington Cin
10)David Tyree NYG
11)Derick Armstrong Hou
12)Kaseem Osgood SD
13)Arnaz Battle SF -- hurt too often
14)Chris Horn KC
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia

Here would be my targets:

Givens: Averages 50-some catches a year with most of them for 1st downs and a respectable 3.9 YAC (to compare with Steve Smith @7.9 and Santana @7.3 this year) He's big, he's young, he's solid and he does not fumble. A good compliment to Moss.

Bradford: Perhaps the biggest project of my picks, but I like him because he finds the end zone. He's older (98 draft by GB). The Skins struggled close to the zone this year and he would be another big target to drive over the middle. He also comes up big on 3rd downs. 9/9 on conversions with a 22+ yard average on 3rd downs. He's never really found his groove in Houston and I think he could help for a few years.

Robinson: A lot has already been said here about Koren. It seems that maybe he has his priorities straight...finally. Maybe it's the fact that he is a dad now. If he does, then I'd love to see him in burgundy and gold. A pure talent. I don't need to elaborate.

Brandon Lloyd: I think this kid really emerged this year...his 3rd in the league. He's a blazer who's fumbled only once in 3 years. SF's lack of QB talent has hurt him over the past 3 years and I think he'd be a steal in the RFA market (cost=4th rounder)

Kevin Curtis: The guy is phenomenal but buried beneath Bruce and Holt. Played with Cooley at Utah State. Early in the season when he was getting starts because of injuries, he was posting very respectable #2 receiver stats. 60 catches, 801 yards, 6 TDs with about 2/3 of the season at the #2 spot (cost= 3rd rounder)

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I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

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I want Antwaan Randle El simply because he has all the skills necessary to be a good #2 receiver...plus signing him wouldn't break the bank.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean plenty of #2's? Last year Rod Gardner was the no. 2. The Panthers couldn't get rid of him fast enough this year. This year it was David Patten, who got hurt midway through the season but was still on pace for close to 50 receptions (his average).

Is Brunell responsible for TJ getting "hurt" all the time?

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I was thinking Saturday that Joe Jurevicius would be a great pick up for us. hes level headed and hard working vet. The guy has been successful every where hes been, and probably wont have the hefty price tag. Moss, Patten, Jurevicius, Cooley sounds really nice.

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[QUOTE=saden1]I want Antwaan Randle El simply because he has all the skills necessary to be a good #2 receiver...plush signing him wouldn't break the bank.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. And then I'd take a serious look at Jurevicius and Bryant

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Barring a trade, here are the guys expected to be available.


UFA’s

[b]1)David Givens NE[/b]
2)Reggie Wayne Ind -- would like, but he wants to be a #1
3)Josh Reed Buf
4)Randy Hymes Bal
5)Antonio Bryant Cle --talented, but serious character/legal issues in past
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit
7)Eric Moulds Buf
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea
9)Peter Warrick Sea
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou -- maybe, but would need more end zone production
11)Rod Gardner Car
[b]12)Corey Bradford Hou[/b]
13)Kevin Johnson Det
14)Peerless Price Dal
15)Dez White Atl
[b]16)Koren Robinson Min[/b]
17)Quincy Morgan Pit
18)Az-Zhair Hakim NO
19)Tim Carter NYG
20)David Boston Mia
21)Ike Hillard TB
22)Troy Brown NE -- worth a thought
23)Tim Dwight NE
24)Jerome Pathon Atl
25)Charles Lee Ari
26)Marc Boerighter KC
27)Reggie Swinton Ari
28)Troy Walters Ind
29)Patrick Johnson Bal

RFA’s

[b]1)Brandon Lloyd SF[/b]
2)Patrick Crayton Dal
3)Nate Burleson Min
4)Eddie Drummond Det-KR
5)Kevin Walter Cin
6)Shaun McDonald Stl
7)Willie Ponder NYG
[b]8)Kevin Curtis Stl[/b] -- probably will NOT be let go by STL
9)Kelley Washington Cin
10)David Tyree NYG
11)Derick Armstrong Hou
12)Kaseem Osgood SD
13)Arnaz Battle SF -- hurt too often
14)Chris Horn KC
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia

Here would be my targets:

Givens: Averages 50-some catches a year with most of them for 1st downs and a respectable 3.9 YAC (to compare with Steve Smith @7.9 and Santana @7.3 this year) He's big, he's young, he's solid and he does not fumble. A good compliment to Moss.

Bradford: Perhaps the biggest project of my picks, but I like him because he finds the end zone. He's older (98 draft by GB). The Skins struggled close to the zone this year and he would be another big target to drive over the middle. He also comes up big on 3rd downs. 9/9 on conversions with a 22+ yard average on 3rd downs. He's never really found his groove in Houston and I think he could help for a few years.

Robinson: A lot has already been said here about Koren. It seems that maybe he has his priorities straight...finally. Maybe it's the fact that he is a dad now. If he does, then I'd love to see him in burgundy and gold. A pure talent. I don't need to elaborate.

Brandon Lloyd: I think this kid really emerged this year...his 3rd in the league. He's a blazer who's fumbled only once in 3 years. SF's lack of QB talent has hurt him over the past 3 years and I think he'd be a steal in the RFA market (cost=4th rounder)

Kevin Curtis: The guy is phenomenal but buried beneath Bruce and Holt. Played with Cooley at Utah State. Early in the season when he was getting starts because of injuries, he was posting very respectable #2 receiver stats. 60 catches, 801 yards, 6 TDs with about 2/3 of the season at the #2 spot (cost= 3rd rounder)[/QUOTE]

First of all Santana Moss has his money....so If Reggie Wayne came in would, it matter who was one are two...they both would be dangerous weapons and it would open up the field, Brandon Lloyd is on 6 feet, so is Jacobs....6"2" and up is what we need a hard noser that can go across the middle, (Reggie can do that)..Troy Brown.....hell no...to old and he's a 3rd or 4th on a offense with Tom Brady...enough said, lets get what we really need....Moulds, Jurevicius, Wayne, Gaffney, Dez White, maybe Korean Robinson, I guarn dam tee, if Wayne or Jurevicius come over, Santana and Portis game is all open, all most the rest of the guys are #3 or special teams players....draft some diamonds in the ruff.....and we will be good, remember we have a old QB, so we need to surround him with Young Talent.....

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]First of all Santana Moss has his money....so If Reggie Wayne came in would, it matter who was one are two...they both would be dangerous weapons and it would open up the field, Brandon Lloyd is on 6 feet, so is Jacobs....6"2" and up is what we need a hard noser that can go across the middle, (Reggie can do that)..[/QUOTE]

Except Wayne is also 6'0" and weighs less than Jacobs or Lloyd

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if curtis is available i'd give up our 3rd (possibly Sinorice Moss) for him. He's been great as a #3 ;) I'd still try to get KR and reche too though, none would be expensive and our entire WR corp after moss is dumpster material. What round was burleson drafted? he's a good #2...

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JJ isnt leaving seattle. and we don't have any #2s outside of patten (possibly), we have a bunch of #4s and 5s.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.[/QUOTE]


Well there are many reasons that any of these guys could do well!! :coach: First off the 2# WR isn't a elephant grave yard in Gibbs O. It was this year because we had no one to play it! In past Gibbs O there have been great #2 like Charlie Brown,Clark and Sanders. But you have to have players to take that spot and we had nothing!!! The fact is Jacobs is not that good and a mistake pick!!!! :smashfrea He comes out of a program that made him look better then he is. But you never know about WR's sometimes they take awhile to get it! As for Patton that also was a reach! :frusty: If the right players are picked up you will see that the Gibbs O will be a good one! :headbange

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]What do you mean plenty of #2's? Last year Rod Gardner was the no. 2. The Panthers couldn't get rid of him fast enough this year. This year it was David Patten, who got hurt midway through the season but was still on pace for close to 50 receptions (his average).

Is Brunell responsible for TJ getting "hurt" all the time?[/QUOTE]


Please, 50 catches? It was like he was none existant in our offense, all we heard is what's wrong with Patton? Now all of a sudden he's a big time almost 50 rec reciever? Almost? Theres a big deal. How bout factoring yards per catch and TD's why don't we. I really hope your not trying to compare his production with the Pats to what he did the first half of the season here?

The very fact that this thread was started should tell you what people's real feeling on Patton is, and if he was on pace or even close to duplicating for us before he was hurt, what he did for the Pats, we wouldn't have the entire board looking for a #2 reciever.

Kind of ironic how much Pattons talents diminished from a super bowl championship, to basically an after thought 9 months later, how, and why could that be?

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Well there are many reasons that any of these guys could do well!! :coach: First off the 2# WR isn't a elephant grave yard in Gibbs O. It was this year because we had no one to play it! In past Gibbs O there have been great #2 like Charlie Brown,Clark and Sanders. But you have to have players to take that spot and we had nothing!!! The fact is Jacobs is not that good and a mistake pick!!!! :smashfrea He comes out of a program that made him look better then he is. But you never know about WR's sometimes they take awhile to get it! As for Patton that also was a reach! :frusty: If the right players are picked up you will see that the Gibbs O will be a good one! :headbange[/QUOTE]


We can't really judge what Gibbs did in the past, to the current NFL, as for Patton being a reach, how so?

Better yet why did we sign him? What was the reasoning, as well as Pattons credentials for us to go out and give him a nice contract?

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[QUOTE=offiss]Please, 50 catches? It was like he was none existant in our offense, all we heard is what's wrong with Patton? Now all of a sudden he's a big time almost 50 rec reciever? Almost? Theres a big deal. How bout factoring yards per catch and TD's why don't we. I really hope your not trying to compare his production with the Pats to what he did the first half of the season here?

The very fact that this thread was started should tell you what people's real feeling on Patton is, and if he was on pace or even close to duplicating for us before he was hurt, what he did for the Pats, we wouldn't have the entire board looking for a #2 reciever.

Kind of ironic how much Pattons talents diminished from a super bowl championship, to basically an after thought 9 months later, how, and why could that be?[/QUOTE]

He was on pace for 44. Exactly the amount of receptions he had last year as a Patriot. As I said in another thread (or maybe even this one), the concern was that the yards per catch had gone down. But maybe you, and others, should consider that he was hurt long before he went on IR, or his role here is that of a move-the-chains, possession receiver. Not a speedster who will fly down the sidelines.

I had high expectations for Patten and was disappointed with the season he had overall. But I think it's way too naive and early to say he is a total bust and it's mainly attributable to the fact he's no longer a Patriot

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]He was on pace for 44. Exactly the amount of receptions he had last year as a Patriot. As I said in another thread (or maybe even this one), the concern was that the yards per catch had gone down. But maybe you, and others, should consider that he was hurt long before he went on IR, or his role here is that of a move-the-chains, possession receiver. Not a speedster who will fly down the sidelines.

I had high expectations for Patten and was disappointed with the season he had overall. But I think it's way too naive and early to say he is a total bust and it's mainly attributable to the fact he's no longer a Patriot[/QUOTE]


Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?

Hurt? OK, it seems everytime a Skin fails he's hurt, Brunell doesn't suck he was hurt. Everytime somebody stinks up the joint and he's a hand picked big contract player he's hurt. I am tired of the excuses, especially when the player themselves say they are not hurt, ALA Brunell, and Lavar.

Personally I don't believe Patton is a bust, he's proven, the fact that Brunell couldn't get him involved is not his fault, Brady never had that problem.