BREAKING Washington Just Picked
 

Traded with New Orleans: Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State


Kiper says he has a great hands and is a decent runner. Thinks it's a great pick, reminds him of Clint Didier

Wonder what we gave up. Doubt it was a gift from the Bengals for being good people.

as hoping for Sopoaga, the DT, here, but Cooley looks like a wise choice as well. But does any1 know what we gave up?

I think this could be an awesome move for us. This guy looks like he could be great under Gibbs...He doent have the attitude of Winslow, not as faste but a little bigger, mabye a better blocker. Im very excited right now, I thought they wernt going ot do anythign. I wonder if they wanted him all along.

What did we give up to get him?

Info on Cooley: [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/32802.html[/url]

I like it!

I was just getting back from Dairy Queen to find this little gem when I got home.

I also think he will be more of a team player, to hell with a ME player like Winslow.

was the trade with the Bengals or the Saints. You guys keep saying Bengals but it says Saints on espn.com? I still cant find what we gave them.

Pretty sure it was the Saints.

Here's the deal:

Redskins get: New Orleans' third-round pick (No. 81), which they used to select Utah State TE Chris Cooley, and the fifth-round pick (No. 151) they acquired from Minnesota.
Saints get: Washington's fifth-round pick (No. 139) and the Redskins' second-round pick in 2005.

I dunno, sounds like he was expensive. No 2nd again next year and now only a sixth this year.

They traded a 5th rounder (this year) and next years 2nd round pick

It sounds like Washington had him targeted for quite a while, and they didn't want to take any chances

...I hope they had him targeted and think he will start and perform...A second next year...thats expensive. Look at all the great players that just went in the second round. And again we're giving away our draft.

Mabye this guy is a sleeper and will be a stud in Gibbs system, rookie of the year honors after we win the super bowl?

I like the trade. But after this, I'd prefer we stop trading away future picks and wait to see what we can find in the rookie free agent pool.

I also really like the fact that Cooley is married and graduated with a 3.3. Smart and settled down. Sounds like a good Redskin to me.

Yeah, I'm getting sick of these picks being traded away as well. maybe they can swing some more deals.

He'd better be good if we gave up a second rounder. Man I hate it when they do this.

Cooley info from NFL.com

[url]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/chris_cooley[/url]

we still have a 5th rounder, just lower in the 5th... still sounds like a steep price

his numbers are acutally better, or atleast the same, as Winslows numbers. Granted, it was in the SunBelt conference, but still, he had over 60 receptions while lining up as a full back and a tightend. Could be the receiving threat we needed to go with Rasby blocking. Im excited about the possabilities.

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/tracker/player?id=7955[/url]

Not exactly a glowing recommendation.

the SI one wasnt that bad. It acutally says a lot of great things about him. Then all of a sudden just says that he'll neverstart but can play a hback role well. If Gibbs worked him out. ive gotta beleive he thinks he will start and contribute in that role. Expecially to warrant a second round pick.

[QUOTE=drew54]I like it!

I was just getting back from Dairy Queen to find this little gem when I got home.

I also think he will be more of a team player, to hell with a ME player like Winslow.[/QUOTE]

That is to funny I did the same exact thing.

[QUOTE=Cush]Yeah, I'm getting sick of these picks being traded away as well. maybe they can swing some more deals.[/QUOTE]

I have to say cush you are making me laugh tonight. lol

[QUOTE=Daseal][url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/tracker/player?id=7955[/url]

Not exactly a glowing recommendation.[/QUOTE]

It's probably best to see if you can find some highlight's of him and see for yourself, I expected a lot less from the reviews I read a couple of week's ago, but when I saw the highlight's of him he looked real good to me.

Yeah, I put my faith into watching players play. So where's SkinsNutahstate when you need him! 8)

yeah. read the reviews seems like he should be fine. Did you see his 40 time - 4.89??

Yes, I know that generally, too much weight may be given to 40 times, but that seems really high to me, not much faster than a D-Lineman. It says he catches well in traffic. He better, 'cause with that time, that's the only place he is gonna catch anything.

Well, he was one of the hardest hitters on the team (Utah State)

[url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1114[/url]

[quote]Known more for his receiving skills, Cooley is also regarded as an excellent blocker. He twice earned the Aggies' Golden Helmet Award honors as the team's hardest hitter. [/quote]

Typical over-paying / over-reaching by the front office
 

Note: I do like Chris Cooley. --- But, I have problem with giving away 2005_2nd_round draft pick. --- Soon, we will be scrambling and scraping for 2005 draft picks, just like this 2004 season. --- Does this mean we have to trade away our star players in 2005, just so that we can replenish our dwindling draft picks _?

Why can we negotiate like the other team? --- Why do we have to overpay time & time again?
Dolphins, Packers, Ravens, Saints, and Vikings, -- they all have superior negotiating skills than our Redskins FO.

Please check this link: ________ [url]http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/trades[/url]


:confused- __________ Does any1 know -- who is acting as our negotiator when we are dealing with the other team _?

:doh: __________ It is obvious – our Redskins incompetent negotiators are -- the weakest_link in the front office.

:coach: __________ I think ( Gibbs + Danny ) must remove our inferior negotiators and replace them with personnel who are top-notch negotiators.

:cussing: __________ The current negotiator is definitely our organization Achilles heel.

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i hope he does well to have earned such a trade to get him, but i personally would have rather held onto the pick next year, even though it won't be all that great of a pick, and try to work out something to get a player like Heath Miller of UVA in next years draft.

I was wondering something about the h-back position 2: is there a certain height the player should be, as in not too short but not too tall. cuz before this pick up i was thinking about the wr from va tech Ernest Wilford who has a solid te type frame of 6'3 and 220 lbs. has decent speed, very natural hands, very good blocker, and a 38 & 1/2 inch vertical.

you usually want them to be bigger than that. More of a fullback/te mold. That way they arent just receivers, in fact they should be primarily blockers but have that extra threat. If they are small, 220, 230ish then linebacks and dlinemen will have their way with them.. Cooley could be a great size for Gibbs system.

k, thanks skinsncanes

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]yeah. read the reviews seems like he should be fine. Did you see his 40 time - 4.89??

Yes, I know that generally, too much weight may be given to 40 times, but that seems really high to me, not much faster than a D-Lineman. It says he catches well in traffic. He better, 'cause with that time, that's the only place he is gonna catch anything.[/QUOTE]


He was running a 4.74 on his pro day, which isn't bad for a guy weighing 262lbs. he also pressed 225lbs 22 times.

He got more total yards then Winslow last year

One thing strikes me about the complaints on the trade. We traded next years 2nd rounder and swapped this years 5th round picks. You can all but disregard the 5th's as they were a swap. So what you are left with is a hopefully late 2nd round pick next year, in return for a high 3rd round pick this year and a need player taken with that pick. How is that so bad?

The Saints may have got the better side of the deal in terms of position, but that pick is next years. They can't address any needs with it this year. IMHO that's a fairly balanced trade.

This guy fits JG's O to a T, and we didn't exactly mortgage away the teams future on him. Lighten up guys and look forward to camp! :)

I really dont think the trade is that bad at all. I mean yeah, a second rounder is pretty high. Like Emouse said, its a hopefullly a late second for a nice early third. We needed another guy to step in and try to run the TE/H-Back, and hopefully we took care of it. Good trade on our part, I must say.

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse]One thing strikes me about the complaints on the trade. We traded next years 2nd rounder and swapped this years 5th round picks. You can all but disregard the 5th's as they were a swap. So what you are left with is a hopefully late 2nd round pick next year, in return for a high 3rd round pick this year and a need player taken with that pick. How is that so bad?

The Saints may have got the better side of the deal in terms of position, but that pick is next years. They can't address any needs with it this year. IMHO that's a fairly balanced trade.

This guy fits JG's O to a T, and we didn't exactly mortgage away the teams future on him. Lighten up guys and look forward to camp! :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I really dont think the trade is that bad at all. I mean yeah, a second rounder is pretty high. Like Emouse said, its a hopefullly a late second for a nice early third. We needed another guy to step in and try to run the TE/H-Back, and hopefully we took care of it. Good trade on our part, I must say.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't disagree more, fellas. We give up a second rounder for a third rounder in return? And for a tight end?

HELLO!! We need defensive linemen, not more tight ends! That's the only way I would justify a trade like this. Someone else hit the nail on the head: There were excellent players left over from the first round that were still available in the second that we had no chance to get. And barring some sort of trade, we'll be in the same position next year.

I don't like this one bit. We were much more solid at TE/H-back with Rasby, Royal, Stephens, Sellers, and Koslowski -- not to mention the possibility of undrafted free agents who can make a contribution. By contrast, the defensive line is still a huge question mark, with no significant upgrades from the losers we had playing there last year.

A stupid, stupid move.

Trade a next year's pick for a pick one round lower this year is always gonna seem like overpaying, but EVERY team does it!
I think this is a good pick. He sounds perfect for Gibbs' offense.

If Cooley turns out to be another Didier type as some have said, I think he's well worth a 2nd rounder. Let's give it some time to see how it works out.

Chris Cooley seems to be a solid pickup. Pick-wise, I think this move is typical for this trade in the NFL. The Redskins got a mid third rounder and, in exchange, switched picks with New Orleans in the 5th round (which moved them down a total of 11 spots) and gave up a 2nd rounder next year. In the 5th round, most teams seem to make more unpredictable choices and I believe that the Redskins probably gave up little in terms of what choices (in terms of players) they would have in that round. In addition, the Redskins are trying to win now so they figure that their 2nd round pick next year should be a low-round selection. Also, we get to use Cooley now, as opposed to the entire year that the Saints must wait to use their second-round pick. By picking up Cooley, I feel that they have added a player who has proven himself in the H-back role (finalist for the Mackey award, which is given to the nation's top tight end) and although he may never be a Jeremy Shockey, a Tony Gonzalez, or a Kellen Winslow, I believe that he possesses the hands, the strength, and the diversity of skills (good special teams player) that will allow him to succeed in the NFL.

he seems like a good fit for joe gibbs system. I think that was a good pick, over any dlinemen we would have picked up at that point. Gibbs got a TE to fit his system, a lot of the TEs we have now wont make the team or are just special teamers. We dont need to draft a dlinemen who is average. We've got a ton of average dlinemen. We upgraded two spots, and Wynn is solid, didnt give up to much, and Noble might be back. Our Dline is going to be better that people think. Gibbs made a comment about not wanting a dlinemen that wasnt a passrushing threat. He said we alreayd have run stoppers and dont need anylinemen unless he was a great pass rusher.