Dumb & Dumber
 

I don't claim to think or know that the Wunderlich Aptitude Test is a good estimate of a players intelligence or ability on the football field, but the results sure were interesting....

I think it's curious that our two covetted picks, Taylor and Winslow, scored a horrible 10 and 12, respectively. I'm just worried that neither of these guys will be able to learn the playbook before the 2012 season!

It's also interesting that in a possible trade down scenario, we could end up with Will Smith and Ben Watson, with scores of 23 and 41!! (not that I'm advocating...)

How does everyone feel about this test??



WRs
Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh - 18
Roy Williams, Texas - 17
Rashaun Woods, Oklahoma State - 21
Reggie Williams, Washington - 17
Lee Evans, Wisconsin - 27
Michael Clayton, LSU - 19
Michael Jenkins, Ohio State - 20
Devery Henderson, LSU - 17
Keary Colbert, Southern Cal - 21
Ernest Wilford, Virginia Tech - 19
Bernard Berrian, Fresno State - 20

QBs
Drew Henson, Michigan - 42
Eli Manning, Mississippi - 39
Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (OH) - 25
Craig Krenzel, Ohio State - 38
Philip Rivers, North Carolina State - 30
J.P. Losman, Tulane - 31
Cody Pickett, Washington - 19
Matt Schaub, Virginia - 30
John Navarre, Michigan - 24
Josh Harris, Bowling Green - 25
Casey Clausen, Tennessee - 20
Jeff Smoker, Michigan State - 23
Jason Fife, Oregon - 26
Matt Mauck, LSU - 30
Eli Roberson, Kansas State - 11
B.J. Symons, Texas Tech - 22
Jared Lorenzen, Kentucky - 28
Bradlee Van Pelt, Colorado State - 25
Rod Rutherford, Pittsburgh - 17

TEs
Ben Watson, Georgia - 41
Kellen Winslow, Miami - 12
Ben Troupe, Florida - not listed
Ben Utecht, Minnesota - 22
Ben Hartsock, Ohio State - 32
Jason Peters, Arkansas - 9
Jeff Dugan, Maryland - 24
Sean Ryan, Boston College - 35
Chris Cooley, Utah State - 32
Tim Euhus, Oregon State - 34

RBs
Steven Jackson, Oregon State - 28
Kevin Jones, Virginia Tech - 15
Chris Perry, Michigan - 20
Greg Jones, Florida State - 25
Tatum Bell, Oklahoma State - 18
Julius Jones, Notre Dame - 16
Michael Turner, Northern Illinois - 35
Maurice Clarett, Ohio State - 20
Fred Russell, Iowa - 9
Mewelde Moore, Tulane - 19
Cedric Cobbs, Arkansas - 14
Jarrett Payton, Miami (FL) - 12

Guards
Vernon Carey, Miami (FL) - 18
Chris Snee, Boston College - 19
Steve Peterman, LSU - 20
Justin Smiley, Alabama - 21
Sean Locklear, North Carolina State - 19
Adrien Clarke, Ohio State - 24
Shannon Snell, Florida - 28
Alan Reuber, Texas AM (T) - 24
Jacob Bell, Miami (OH) - 22
Anthonly Herrera, Tennessee - 23
Antonio Hall, Kentucky - 20

Tackles
Robert Gallery, Iowa - 23
Shawns Andrews, Arkansas - 20
Kelly Butler, Purdue - 29
Nat Dorsey, Georgia Tech - 35
Jacob Rogers, Southern Cal - 29
Carlos Joseph, Miami (FL) - 7
Tony Pape, Michigan - 23
Mark Wilson, California - 30
Kirk Chambers, Stanford - 29
Max Starks, Florida (OG) - 35
Travelle Wharton, South Carolina - 12
Sean Bubin, Illinois - 24
Shane Olivea, Ohio State - 18
Brian Rimpf, East Carolina - 35
Adrian Jones, Kansas - 17
Stacey Andrews, Mississippi - 15

LBs
D.J. Williams Miami (FL) - 21
Karlso Dansby, Auburn - 15
Daryl Smith, Georgia Tech - 13
Teddy Lehman, Oklahoma - 39
Dontarrious Thomas, Auburn - 24
Michael Boulware, Florida State - 24
Kendyll Pope, Florida State - 18
Keyaron Fox, Georgia Tech - 16
Demorrio Williams, Nebraska - 12
Courtney Watson, Notre Dame - 24
Bryan Hickman, Kansas State - 16
Jonathan Vilma, Miami (FL) - 23
Niko Koutouvides, Purdue - 28
Rod Davis, Southern Miss - 18

CBs
DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech - 23
Chris Gamble, Ohio State - 9
Dunta Robinson, South Carolina - 13
Will Poole, Southern Cal - 14
Ahmad Carroll, Arkansas - 17
Derrick Strait, Oklahoma - 15
Ricardo Colclough, Tusculum - 11
Joey Thomas, Montana State - 19
Nathan Vasher, Texas - 13
Keiwan Ratliff, Florida - 18
Jeremy LeSueur, Michigan - 16
Keith Smith, McNeese State - 17
Vontez Duff, Notre Dame - 16

FS
Sean Taylor, Miami (FL) - 10
Matt Ware, UCLA - 22
Stuart Schweigert, Purdue - 28
Jason Shivers, Arizona State - 14
Sean Jones, Georgia - 18
Brandon Everage, Oklahoma - 15
Will Allen, Ohio State - 13

DEs
Will Smith, Ohio State - 23
Kenechi Udeze, Southern Cal - 18
Marquise Hill, LSU - 13
Antwan Odom, Alabama - 10
Darrion Scott, Ohio State - 12
Jason Babin, Western Michigan - 22
Isaac Hilton, Hampton - 23
Uyi Osunde, Connecticut - 21
Travis Laboy, Hawaii - 29
Shaun Phillips, Purdue - 17
Bo Schobel, TCU - 27
Andrew Shull, Kansas State - 21
Dave Ball, UCLA - 25
Bobby McCray, Florida - 14
Gabe Nyenhuis, Colorado - 7

DTs
Tommie Harris, Oklahoma - 11
Vince Wilfork, Miami (FL) - 10
Marcus Tubbs, Texas - 21
Randy Starks, Maryland - 20
Darnell Dockett, Florida State - 17
Donnell Washington, Clemson - 8
Dwan Edwards, Oregon State - 29
Chad Lavalais, LSU - 10
Igor Olshansky, Oregon - 29
Isaac Sopoaga, Hawaii - 8
Matthias Askew, Michigan State - 10
Tank Johnson, Washington - 16
Darrell Campbell, Notre Dame - 21
Junior Siavii, Oregon - 15
Tim Anderson, Ohio State - 25

Those results are pretty interesting . . .Taylor is dumber than a piece of turd!

I wonder how these results compare to current players such as Randy Moss, Lavar, and Roy Williams.

I wouldn't put too much stock in these numbers. Keep in mind the following scores:

Brian Griese 39
Brett Favre 22
Dan Marino 16

[QUOTE=smootsmack]I wouldn't put too much stock in these numbers. Keep in mind the following scores:

Brian Griese 39
Brett Favre 22
Dan Marino 16[/QUOTE]

What about Ade Jimoh - Score = 49 (I'm assuming)??!!

Maybe the Wonderlich is an aptitude test for Acting - based of Marino in Ace Ventura!!

Surely, intelligence doesn't make you a good football player, but it must count for something...

Far all it's worth, I remember the knock on Shuler being that he was dumb as a box of rocks, he scored very low on the test and he turned out to be an all pro! Oh wait, he was dumb and he stunk....maybe there's something to it.

It's like any other test. Jerry Rice didn't have an impressive 40 time but nobody can deny he was fast on the field.

This is the time of year where people put way too much stock in 40 times, Wonderlic scores, bench presses, etc. All they really should be concerned about is can the guy play football. Period.

Marino is the perfect example, his score is awful, yet would anyone say he was a 'dumb' football player? The guy could read a defense with the best of them and made lightening quick decisions. Same for Favre. Look at Griese, where has that score gotten him in the league?

There are more important things that just can't be measured by tests. Heart, leadership, guts, instinct, etc.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Marino is the perfect example, his score is awful, yet would anyone say he was a 'dumb' football player? The guy could read a defense with the best of them and made lightening quick decisions. [/QUOTE]


That's just it! I'm worried that Sean Taylor may not be able to "read" the offense if he can't even read comic books without spelling out things phonetically...

OK, not really - but I think its funny that Taylor needs a calculator to count to five and thinks algebra is a fungus that grows on girls underwear....

[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club]What about Ade Jimoh - Score = 49 (I'm assuming)??!!

Maybe the Wonderlich is an aptitude test for Acting - based of Marino in Ace Ventura!!

Surely, intelligence doesn't make you a good football player, but it must count for something...[/QUOTE]
Or Favre in "Something About Mary".

What was Alex Karras's Wonderlic? He was brilliant in "Blazing Saddles".

Remember that Alex Karras said that he spent only two terms at Iowa - - Eisenhower and Kennedy.

These number's are most telling, it seem's the dumber you are the better you play.

Anyone have a link that explains this test, ive never read much about it. Ive seen a lot of those players play and their on the field skills are more than impressive. Ive talked to Taylor a few times before class and he didnt seem like the dumbest guy, he seemed like a football player, but hey, thats what he is. If all he can do is read a playbook and a QBs eyes then im happy.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Anyone have a link that explains this test, ive never read much about it. Ive seen a lot of those players play and their on the field skills are more than impressive. Ive talked to Taylor a few times before class and he didnt seem like the dumbest guy, he seemed like a football player, but hey, thats what he is. If all he can do is read a playbook and a QBs eyes then im happy.[/QUOTE]

That test can't gauge a player's instict's, has anyone ever heard an interview with lester haye's the former raider CB? you could barely understand the guy, yet he was a great CB, there are guy's no matter how dumb they may be with the book's just have an instinct for the game, perhap's more so than the smartest guy's in the NFL.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Anyone have a link that explains this test, ive never read much about it. Ive seen a lot of those players play and their on the field skills are more than impressive. Ive talked to Taylor a few times before class and he didnt seem like the dumbest guy, he seemed like a football player, but hey, thats what he is. If all he can do is read a playbook and a QBs eyes then im happy.[/QUOTE]


There may be something in ESPN archives. I remember they had an article on it last year.

As I remember, the test is like an SAT for football players. Lots of random (i.e. math, english, history, etc.) questions aimed at testing your ability to understand concepts quickly. I think it's timed and very fast, i.e. you don't have a lot of time to answer think about the questions.

I could be wrong, but I think that's what the ESPN article said about it.

[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club]That's just it! I'm worried that Sean Taylor may not be able to "read" the offense if he can't even read comic books without spelling out things phonetically...

OK, not really - but I think its funny that Taylor needs a calculator to count to five and thinks algebra is a fungus that grows on girls underwear....[/QUOTE]

Wait, are you implying that players from the University of Miami don't uphold the highest academic standards? I mean if he made it through 3 years of school, then he must be fairly bright, right?

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Anyone have a link that explains this test, ive never read much about it. Ive seen a lot of those players play and their on the field skills are more than impressive. Ive talked to Taylor a few times before class and he didnt seem like the dumbest guy, he seemed like a football player, but hey, thats what he is. If all he can do is read a playbook and a QBs eyes then im happy.[/QUOTE]


Found the article I was talking about and a practice test with 15 Wonderlic questions:

The Article:
[url]http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html[/url]

The Test:
[url]http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html[/url]

I took the test and got 13 of 15 in the time allotted (Missed the math questions on number of pages and the return on investment).

A perfect score on the test is a 51, only one player ever got it. Also, according to the article, Taylor's score of ten makes him "literate". With apologies to Skins&Canes, it's good to know Taylor got some quality education down there at Miami ("You must be able to read AND write your own name to enter this school"). Figure if Taylor got a ten, that's like getting 3 questions right on the practice test (getting 20% of the answers correct). Anyone here want to admit to scoring less than a 5?

Two words...

DEXTER MANLEY.... anyone doubt he got a -7 on his test? But damn he could rush a QB....

My roomate always tells me stories about how Parcells used to try and Coach LT. Then one day he didnt listen and went and sacked the QB. So from then on Coach just said, 'LT get the QB', and he just said 'OK Coach'

As a side note, as im sure most of you dont know, Miami is a small private school in Coral Gables(one of the most expensive cities in the US). Most peopel think its a public school like FSU with thousands and thousands of people. When I entered we had around 5000 undergrads. The academic side is great, but im not going to lie and say that the football players dont receive 'special' treatment. They kinda do their own thing seperate from the school.. Not all of them, Taylor probably yes. Ive had classes and done projects with a bunch of them that were very bright. Those guys usually arent the first round draft choice though, oh well.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Miami is a small private school in Coral Gables(one of the most expensive cities in the US). Most peopel think its a public school like FSU with thousands and thousands of people. When I entered we had around 5000 undergrads. The academic side is great, but im not going to lie and say that the football players dont receive 'special' treatment. They kinda do their own thing seperate from the school.. Not all of them, Taylor probably yes. Ive had classes and done projects with a bunch of them that were very bright. Those guys usually arent the first round draft choice though, oh well.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, but a 10??? Special treatment is one thing, special ed is another. How did this guy find his way to class?? Oh wait, that would be the "special treatment" thing again....

Just ribbing you S&C. I went to Univ. Maryland back when Bobby Ross was coach and got "special treatment" for the football players (let's not even talk about Lefty Driesell and the B-Ball players). I had some classes with them, dumb as posts - which is kinda insulting to posts actually. Yet, amazingly they aced every exam. lol

I went to a junior college and I could always tell if a class was going to be easy by looking to see if there were many basketball players in the room.

Im sure there was a perfectly good excuse for that. Since its a timed test, im sure he showed up late because he was picking up his new Cadillac that the school bought him. So he just didnt get as much time as everyone else.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Im sure there was a perfectly good excuse for that. Since its a timed test, im sure he showed up late because he was picking up his new Cadillac that the school bought him. So he just didnt get as much time as everyone else.[/QUOTE]

Ahhhhhh, that explains it! Thanks for clearing that up. Those damn alumni, they should've had it delivered!!

this is my post on a different thred, im sure youll find it interesting. It relates to this so ill paste it.

As a side note, I at the big Caddilac dealship last week with my friend who works there. We were parking a car when I saw Bryant Mckinney there getting his new Escalade EXT. He put about 50g's in upgrades on it, including Laborgini Doors, yes on an SUV.

Anyhow the point is the guy brining his car to him cut a corner to close and indented the entire half of the truck. Completly messed it up. I walked downstairs and sat next to McKinney and just smiled as his salesmen was saying how hes going to love the new paint job and doors (which I just saw get ruined). I couldnt stay any longer but man, that is not a dude that id want to piss off.

LOLOL - See, I was born all wrong. Intelligent, witty, stunningly handsome but I run the 40 in about 18.3. Smart as a box of rocks and able to hit like a mack truck would've left me rich, happy and to dumb to know any better (oh sorry, it would've left me "literate" and rich).

HOLY HELL. Talk about embarassing. Look at these scores. They best put in their applications for 7-eleven and McDonalds right now.


TEs
Jason Peters, Arkansas - 9

RBs
Fred Russell, Iowa - 9

CB's
Chris Gamble, Ohio State - 9

DEs
Gabe Nyenhuis, Colorado - 7

DTs
Donnell Washington, Clemson - 8
Isaac Sopoaga, Hawaii - 8

Yea Gamble was a surprising one that I saw.

I'm originally from Iowa, and I've met Freddy Russell. He doesn't seem that dumb to me. He has a lot of football Knowledge. He doesn't even say duh after every sentence, every other sentence. Ha Ha. lol.


Really these tests need to be seen for what there worth.

Why dont they just show their SAT scores if thats what these tests are.

Evidently, Miami starts getting serious about academics in the senior year. That's when they put down the comic books and pick up the "great books" which is why everybody has to bail after 3 years. Give me a break, Miami is a public private, meaning that you pay to get the same education you could get at FSU. Not that either school is a poor educational experience but let's not pretend these guys are studying thermodynamics like their counterparts at Stanford or MIT.

What the football players do has nothing to do with the school or the rest of the student body. Any school has football players that dont do anything and only care about football. Yes, some of the football players, like at anyschool, get their degree in sports and leisure or somethign like that. But plenty of the UM football players have also been in my advacned Econ class, and ironically enough ive taken thermodynamics with some of them as well. If you want to talk about a player being stupid, then fine I dont care. But please dont just sterotype and bash my school

Never my intent to bash U of Miami S&C. Just having a laugh at the whole college football experience - you know the NFL's minor league.

Now, if they were bashing that overated, snob school U of VA, that would be different story...

I am very impressed by Ben Watson. He is smart, strong, fast, and can play too. Mark my words, he will be a better player than Winslow.

[url]http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/prospects/watsonb.html[/url]

I wasnt talking about you anyways JoeRedskin, but its cool. I understand my schools academics are seperate from football, and yea you can bascially consider Miami the NFLs minor league. Its ridiculous when i watch them and a key players gets injured, and all that does is let a better player step in.

Players leave Miami after three years because they will lose their starting role if they stay. Now that the rule change I wouldnt be surprised to see players leaving after two years, all though I hope they all stay for three. Next year we are suposed to have a better TE that Winslow, another Saftey to step in for Taylor, and the number one linebacker prospect to step in for DJ Williams and Vilma. The talent seems to never run out.

Watson wont put up the type of receiving number that Winslow will, or make better catches. Whether his a better all around blocker we'll just have to wait and see, but Winslows hands are second to none.

OH RELAX! I went to a college that after winning the NCAA champonship had players admitting they were high on coke. Well, at least they beat G-Town. Just trying to have a laugh. By the way, Miami has a 70% grad rate for football players and Vilma is an academic all american. So relax and learn to laugh a little.

its cool man, no worries. I mean, the school was on probation for what, four years becuase they were paying players. The football team does its own thing, they have little to do with the school. I think U of Miami is atleast in the top ten wealtiset schools in the country, not including the football program. Im not sure why they change us 30k a year with all the money they have, damn them!!

I might be going to Georgetown in the fall for gradschool, looks like we're destined to be sharing our differences :)

the government might pay for me to go to school there while paying me a full salary, so might as well ya know

My entire family went to G-town. The only reason I didn't go there was I wanted to get away from home for a bit. G-town is the best example of the dichotomy between athletes and normal students. G-town is top 20 in everything and yet Alan Iverson is an alum? I love AI and his wicked crossover but what the heck kind of classes did he take? And having the government pay is the best way to go to school.

yea we'll see what happens, thats what id like to do. So what, your saying Allen Iverson didnt score in the 90th percentile on his sats and have like a 3.8 highschool GPA??? Im shocked at a statement like that, he has to have some brains to figure out how to fit all those tattoos in such a neat arrangement. heh

True dat!