Preseason Game 2 Ramsey Predictions
 

Well, I have to admit, I was the one of many that lost some faith in PR after last weekend's game. Deservingly so, he will be the focus this Friday night. What is everyone's prediction on how he will fare?

What kind of perfomance will he have agaisnt the Bengals? [b][i]OR[/i][/b] what is one thing he has to do if does nothing else? i.e. - score a TD, connect on a long pass, look more calm in the pocket ... etc.

I say he plays relatively better, leads us down to a score, and has 1 other positive drive (more than 3 first downs, 45-50 yards in length) in about a quarter's time. 10 for 17 no INT'S.

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I'm expecting a positive increase in his stats, he'll look more comfortable as will the rest of the offense.

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Bottom line, he needs to get the team into the endzone. I don't expect Portis to play so it's on him and he needs to show something. My faith in Ramsey becoming an NFL playmaker is waning. He has shown that he can be a caretaker but to get to 10+ wins, your QB has to be a playmaker and I need to see the seeds of that starting tomorrow night.

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Doesn't matter he's still the man. And this is just pre-season. Give him time to get back into the groove. Mcnab threw an interception on his first pass too, but nobody is shitting their pants.

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[QUOTE=skins009]Doesn't matter he's still the man. And this is just pre-season. Give him time to get back into the groove. Mcnab threw an interception on his first pass too, but nobody is shitting their pants.[/QUOTE]

That's because after that play he looked almost perfect. Plus he got the Eagles in the endzone.

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I don't care about stats, just score points and be a leader and make good decisions. I want to see him manage the game and not turn the ball over. I would love to see him hit a big play, but to me that is more about making good decisions. The big play is not always there, so just be smart with the football. I would also be happy with no "happy feet" out of Ramsey. Act like you are the best player on the field and be confident.

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He's playing an OK defense this week, as opposed to a VERY GOOD defense last week, thats one reason I think his numbers will increase. I think the home stadium will give him some extra edge. Realistically, I cant point to reasons last week why he wasent great. He didnt seem to be really far off, just not perfect. I'm intersted to see our offense as a whole. I really hope we run the ball more too when Ramsey is in there, to set up the pass. I think we will run more because it wont be Portis back there, so we dont risk his injury. Gonna be nice to see what Betts can do.

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[QUOTE=skins009]Doesn't matter he's still the man. And this is just pre-season. Give him time to get back into the groove. Mcnab threw an interception on his first pass too, but nobody is shitting their pants.[/QUOTE]

I'm hoping he is just working out kinks and warming up, I would love to see a TD drive that involves alot of passing, also, at least one completion of over 25 yards - don't forget after McNabb's INT he went 14-18.

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As a follow up to my post, and it probably belongs in some other thread, I don't live in the Washington area and I am disappointed that the NFL Network is not doing their No Huddle tomorrow night. I guess with only 3 games it is not worth it for them. So I will be watching the game via Gamecenter on NFL.com. A concession I guess is that the game will be replayed on Saturday night at 10pm Central on NFL Network and I don't have to wait until Wednesday next week for the replay.

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I agree, he needs to score. I do think he'll find his bearings and start making better plays, if not tomorrow, soon. We've all seen the guy make big plays in spurrier's offense, but he was getting killed the whole time he was doing it. Gibbs has had an entire offseason to mold a system to him, and that's what he's done. I think if Ramsey responds well at all, we'll see some great things from him, but I don't think we're exactly going to gameplan the preseason. Lombardyesque playcalling. Predictable, but concentrating on execution.

I will say this. We've had some great preseasons in the past. Hell we've had some great offseasons according to the masses too. This year, everyone is saying we had a bad offseason by downgrading WR's, losing our D captains, Drafting JC... and I'm glad to hear it. At least its a change of pace. I think more concentration is going into making a season work, than an offseason and a preseason great.

BTW, no matter what ramsey does in the next game, if he doesn't score 2+td's, or if he throws 1 pick, he'll be getting picked apart next week too.

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[QUOTE=scowan]I don't care about stats, just score points and be a leader and make good decisions. I want to see him manage the game and not turn the ball over. I would love to see him hit a big play, but to me that is more about making good decisions. The big play is not always there, so just be smart with the football. I would also be happy with no "happy feet" out of Ramsey. Act like you are the best player on the field and be confident.[/QUOTE]

I'm not trying to flood my own post, but this was DEAD ON Scowan .... especially that last sentence. Is it me, or does he seem to lack confidence at times, and command?

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If I were Gibbs I would give PR a lot of looks out of the shotgun, he seemed to be a little more comfortable last week when he was in it, it may be a good way to help his confidence out, give him a little more time, and allow him to read the D a little faster. Hopefully it works, although I know Gibbs would rather do without the shotgun.

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Tomorrow night Ramsey will connect on just about every pass, the ones that he will not connect on will be because of the WR's not him. I am predicting him to go 12-15, 1td, and about 100 - 120 yards... And you can take it to the bank!!!!

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Gotiz, all I am saying is it is Ramsey's 4th year in the league, he is older than a lot of guys he is playing against now and should be showing his maturity a little bit more. At this level everyone is good, but some guys are just more sure of themselves than others. I want him to act like a veteran. Those "happy feet" make me think he is the Rookie and Jason Campbell is the veteran. Be vocal, clap your hands, talk to your guys. They say Jon Jansen does this with the O-line, I want to see Patrick do this with the whole team.

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[QUOTE=scowan]Gotiz, all I am saying is it is Ramsey's 4th year in the league, he is older than a lot of guys he is playing against now and should be showing his maturity a little bit more. At this level everyone is good, but some guys are just more sure of themselves than others. I want him to act like a veteran. Those "happy feet" make me think he is the Rookie and Jason Campbell is the veteran. Be vocal, clap your hands, talk to your guys. They say Jon Jansen does this with the O-line, I want to see Patrick do this with the whole team.[/QUOTE]

I agree - Hopefully, with all the backing he has this year and with the experience he has gathered playing under gibbs he willl come through and [b][i]act the part[/i][/b], another thing you have to realize, you don't teach that, or learn that kind of personality from a book, sure you can achieve to improve your attitude, but Ramsey will never be Farve or even Brady when it comes to leadership (at least from what I've seen the last four years) ... I still think he will be good, and I think he will silence some critics tomorrow night, we get 1 TD out of him and another solid drive!

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[QUOTE=scowan]Gotiz, all I am saying is it is Ramsey's 4th year in the league, he is older than a lot of guys he is playing against now and should be showing his maturity a little bit more. At this level everyone is good, but some guys are just more sure of themselves than others. I want him to act like a veteran. Those "happy feet" make me think he is the Rookie and Jason Campbell is the veteran. Be vocal, clap your hands, talk to your guys. They say Jon Jansen does this with the O-line, I want to see Patrick do this with the whole team.[/QUOTE]
I TIVO'd the game last week and watched the replay a few times since, Ramsey's feet are all over the place in the pocket.. He doesn't bouce like QBs are supposed to do, he dances and when he throws he's not stepping into his throws. I want to see confidence and when something goes wrong I don't want to see him hanging his head or staring blankly at the jumbotron. If someone runs the wrong route, I want to see him jump on them.

Scowan you are absolutely right. Ramsey has not developed into the player we thought he would. He is apprehensive, and not confident. This is a byproduct of having absolutely no faith in his coach and line in the days of spurrier. Gibbs will have to pull the ultimate confidence transformation on PR if he has any chance of materializing into a pro qb. This means providing him protection, play calling that doesn't inherently get him in trouble like last year, and the running game must produce this year consistently. If this doesn't happen PR will be done in DC.

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I say he goes 12/14 for 200 yards, 2 TD 0 INT and we spend next week complaing over how he missed 2 throws, didn't look comfortable in the pocket, his jersey was hanging out, his socks weren't pulled up far enough, and his haircut sucks.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I say he goes 12/14 for 200 yards, 2 TD 0 INT and we spend next week complaing over how he missed 2 throws, didn't look comfortable in the pocket, his jersey was hanging out, his socks weren't pulled up far enough, and his haircut sucks.[/QUOTE]
While his haircut does suck :biggthump I don't think we are being overly critical. Bottom line is we all want him to succeed but we haven't been given visual evidence that he is 'the guy'. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect execution and for him to be showing signs of taking the next step. My coaches always said you play the way you practice. This is practice so as I said earlier, we need to see the seeds of what's to come in order to be at ease with him at QB.

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I'll say 10-15 for 111 yards, 1 TD (to Moss) and 0 Interceptions. I think Brunell has another good game though, and the gap between 1 and 2 gets even closer

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Gortiz, As much as I would like for the Skins to have a Farve or a Brady, we have had Rypiens and Doug Williams, and Thiesmans and won Superbowls. I would love for the Skins to have an awsome QB like Manning, but those kind of guys don't come around every year. IMO Payton Manning will break every QB record one day and we will all be saying John Elway who, or Marino who, or Farve who. But back to Ramsey. I am on his bandwagon, and I can't really put into words why. Maybe because he is such an underdog and has been so physically and mentally tough for 3 years. Maybe because I want good things to happen to good people and would love to see him overachieve. I don't know, maybe he seems old school to me and I can relate to it more than I can the Terrell Owens of the world. Somebody help me here and tell me why we all all still pulling for him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I say he goes 12/14 for 200 yards, 2 TD 0 INT and we spend next week complaing over how he missed 2 throws, didn't look comfortable in the pocket, his jersey was hanging out, his socks weren't pulled up far enough, and his haircut sucks.[/QUOTE]

OR... he'll throw 3 picks, won't be able to move the ball against Bengal backups, hit receivers for 5 yards on 3rd and 7, and those who criticize him for that performance will be labeled fair weather fans, over analyzing, and they'll stress that it's [I]only the second preseason game[/I].

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I know why I'm still pulling for him.

I saw a QB who played pretty well down the stretch last season. Well enough that with some minor tweaks to the passing game, an improved OL and running game, he should be a very capable QB for us.

There's nothing wrong with being critical of him, I just think people are jumping the gun a bit. It's early, it's only August, and he didn't exactly stink up the joint against the Panthers. He has plenty of room to improve but he's alot closer to where he needs compared to the Ramsey we saw last preseason.

And then others want to say well he's a 4th year QB, he should be playing better.

Yeah he's a 4th year guy who has all of 23 starts under his belt, he's averaged a little over 7 starts per season so far. In comparison David Carr has 43 starts over that same time period. Joey Harrington has 44. I'm sorry but 23 starts over 3 seasons is not a ton of game experience for a young QB. Even though Carr and Harrington have over 20 more starts, Ramsey still has a better QB rating and TD to INT ratio.

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I KNEW we'd be having these conversations after last week.

PRESEASON is the key word. Everyone needs time to work the kinks out. Regardless of how his feet looked last week, it's still WAY early in the season to be calling for someone's head. I'm a little disappointed, but then again don't we always have high expectations for everything Skin? We would have loved (and probably expected) him to go out and throw 3 TD passes, but there was the luxury of a Clinton Portis missing most of the game AND this was the first real preseason game to speak of. He'll get more comfortable each week that goes on.

Let's just have some faith now that he's been given the true "nod" as starter and not jump to any conclusions until the season starts.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I KNEW we'd be having these conversations after last week.

PRESEASON is the key word. Everyone needs time to work the kinks out. Regardless of how his feet looked last week, it's still WAY early in the season to be calling for someone's head. I'm a little disappointed, but then again don't we always have high expectations for everything Skin? We would have loved (and probably expected) him to go out and throw 3 TD passes, but there was the luxury of a Clinton Portis missing most of the game AND this was the first real preseason game to speak of. He'll get more comfortable each week that goes on.

Let's just have some faith now that he's been given the true "nod" as starter and not jump to any conclusions until the season starts.[/QUOTE]
Who is calling for his head or jumping to conclusions? I think the overriding theme is that we want to see more from Ramsey than we did last week. We want to see him successful because if he's not then the Redskins won't be.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]Who is calling for his head or jumping to conclusions? I think the overriding theme is that we want to see more from Ramsey than we did last week. We want to see him successful because if he's not then the Redskins won't be.[/QUOTE]

Judging by some people's opinions, you would have thought he went 0-12 with 4 INTs and kicked Joe Gibbs' dog.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I know why I'm still pulling for him.

I saw a QB who played pretty well down the stretch last season. Well enough that with some minor tweaks to the passing game, an improved OL and running game, he should be a very capable QB for us.

There's nothing wrong with being critical of him, I just think people are jumping the gun a bit. It's early, it's only August, and he didn't exactly stink up the joint against the Panthers. He has plenty of room to improve but he's alot closer to where he needs compared to the Ramsey we saw last preseason.

And then others want to say well he's a 4th year QB, he should be playing better.

Yeah he's a 4th year guy who has all of 23 starts under his belt, he's averaged a little over 7 starts per season so far. In comparison David Carr has 43 starts over that same time period. Joey Harrington has 44. I'm sorry but 23 starts over 3 seasons is not a ton of game experience for a young QB. Even though Carr and Harrington have over 20 more starts, Ramsey still has a better QB rating and TD to INT ratio.[/QUOTE]
Good point. And Carr and Harrington have had more stability and have KNOWN that they were the starter, whereas PR's position has been unstable since day 1. The other 2 have also been in pretty much the same system for more than 1 year in a row too. I agree totally with the assesment that PR has shown poise and spark in actual games, however and our offense definitely played better with him in the line up. Not a coincedence that our offense's improvement happened when he came in in week 10 last year.

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[QUOTE=scowan]Gortiz, As much as I would like for the Skins to have a Farve or a Brady, we have had Rypiens and Doug Williams, and Thiesmans and won Superbowls. I would love for the Skins to have an awsome QB like Manning, but those kind of guys don't come around every year. IMO Payton Manning will break every QB record one day and we will all be saying John Elway who, or Marino who, or Farve who. But back to Ramsey. I am on his bandwagon, and I can't really put into words why. Maybe because he is such an underdog and has been so physically and mentally tough for 3 years. Maybe because I want good things to happen to good people and would love to see him overachieve. I don't know, maybe he seems old school to me and I can relate to it more than I can the Terrell Owens of the world. Somebody help me here and tell me why we all all still pulling for him.[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of wanting him to do well is that he was first, and he did well enough before Brunell or Campbell even came along. We want that consistency, that guy who year in and year out we can say "this is our QB" When Brunell was brought along, I don't think people even thought about what Brunell had to offer (apparently nothing last year), they just thought "here we go again."

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Judging by some people's opinions, you would have thought he went 0-12 with 4 INTs and kicked Joe Gibbs' dog.[/QUOTE]

LOL

I'm a fan of the comedic stylings, Matty.

I think we need to see improvement from Ramsey in one area and one area alone, deep accuracy. I'd define that as the ability to hit open receivers 15 yards away from the line of scrimmage. I don't need to see him score, I don't need to see him win, I don't need to see him do anything fancy. Just avoid turnovers and show me you can throw deep.

I don't care what the score is when Gibbs won't even unveil 10% of his playbook and won't even play Clinton Portis. It's totally irrelevant. Just show me the signs we need to see that you can be a good QB.

all i know is that Ramsey needs to [U]urgently[/U] better his vision cone and precision passing.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]all i know is that Ramsey needs to [u]urgently[/u] better his vision cone and precision passing.[/QUOTE]

He should just turn it off, maybe that's what he's struggling with. LOL

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i'm doing fine with it, it's Patrick P. Ramsey himself i'm worried about!

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Someone has been playing some Madden 06. Anyway to get back to the original question of this thread, my prediction of Ramsey's performance tomorrow night is that he plays the full 1st quarter and if he leads the team to some points, he makes an exit before the 2nd quarter begins. Otherwise he plays a full half and gives Gibbs more grey hair. I don't care about stats other than points and turnovers. They are all that really matter anyway

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How Ramsey will do is entirely dependent upon the O-Line. The more he is able to stay upright, the more often he will feel comfortable standing still in the pocket. Last season, 22 out of his 23 sacks came right up the middle. This year the team has brought in Rabach to play center and have been working extensively with Dockery to improve his technique. And if I recall, Randy Thomas was injured for part of last season. There is the key to Ramsey's future as QB in Washington. If those three guys hold their assignments, I think Ramsey has a chance to show what he can do--and I think he can give us the long ball. If those three fail, no QB will last for long in Washington until they get the area between the tackles shored up. Friday, with no sacks, I think Ramsey gets two drives into the end zone and at least one more close.

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he'll play about a half this time right? or is that the 3rd game? well if he does play for a half I am expecting a little bit more of the playbook at their disposal and hoppefully Ramsey with less patting of the ball resulting in 100-175 yards and 2-3 scoring drives. If he plays for only a quarter, 75-115 yards and one or 2 scoring drives.

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it's true, Ramsey must be the most shell shocked QB in the league. he's got years of bad habits to break, most of which aren't his fault.

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I predict Ramsey will have at least one TD drive with either Nemo or Betts punching it in for the score. Patrick will get this drive after a quarter of play. Brunell will lead two scoring drives, a TD drive and a field goal drive. Sean Taylor will make a huge play that ultimately decides the game. Campbell will continue to play well, but will make two rookie mistakes.

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Well it almost seems unanimous (spelling?) most of us, including me, expect at least a TD drive from Ramsey, keyword is expect, not "want", because for the most part we all faith in his abilities ... and want him to succeed.

BUT

if he has the same performance as last week, no worse, but no better, and by that I mean statistically and visually with his decision making, pocket presence, and composure -[b][font=Franklin Gothic Medium][i] Should we start to worry ? Or does he get a mulligan??? [/i][/font][/b]
I'm on the fence with that ...

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I think that we will see a lot of the same thing as last week. Gibbs will just call some standard plays and ask the offense to execute them. In a real game he looks for mismatches and trys to exploit them. It seems that Ramsey is better in situation 2. Maybe it's confidence, but I think that we will see Ramsey really grow into the role as each game passes.

Prediction:
Ramsey has at least 2 good drives that result in points scored (TD or FG).

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I'm expecting Ramsey, to again, play for most of the first half. That is, unless he looks like Joe Montana in the first quarter. I think Gibbs will start Ramsey in the regular season no matter what, but I'm sure Gibbs wants to see as much as Ramsey in the preseason as possible.

I really hope Ramsey burns 'em up tomorrow night...I want to see Campbell play some more.