Breaking: Montae Nicholson left woman at hospital before she died from drug overdose
 

[url]https://heavy.com/sports/2019/11/montae-nicholson-woman-death-investigation-overdose/[/url]

This broke about 25 minutes ago. Not good.

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he sucks and apparently sucks as a human too. Cut this POS

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Def not good but unless he supplied her I'm not seeing anything out of this that implicates him.

I'd still move on from him, but that's because I don't think he's a good safety.

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[quote=mooby;1236790]Def not good but unless he supplied her I'm not seeing anything out of this that implicates him.

I'd still move on from him, but that's because I don't think he's a good safety.[/quote]

Implication of a crime is not the issue. If this story is true he's a very, very low character human being. Don't think you end up with a winning culture with guys like this on the team.

On top of it he's just not very good. Should be released.

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Drop Him From the Team

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[quote=Schneed10;1236800]Implication of a crime is not the issue. [B]If this story is true he's a very, very low character human being. Don't think you end up with a winning culture with guys like this on the team[/B].

On top of it he's just not very good. Should be released.[/quote]

this...on the bye week shows his priorities. I think release is the right message here.

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[quote=Schneed10;1236800]Implication of a crime is not the issue. If this story is true he's a very, very low character human being. Don't think you end up with a winning culture with guys like this on the team.

On top of it he's just not very good. Should be released.[/quote]

[quote=Chico23231;1236804][B]this...on the bye week shows his priorities.[/B] I think release is the right message here.[/quote]

It wasn't the bye week, she was dropped off early Thursday morning, the 14th.

Get rid of this dude, up all hours of the night in the middle of a game week with someone high on drugs?

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[quote=Chico23231;1236804]this...[B]on the bye week shows his priorities[/B]. I think release is the right message here.[/quote]

Agreed. Even in if he may have done nothing wrong, how you end up in a party where people OD in the middle of a football season is beyond me.

I'd force [I][U]these[/U][/I] guys to a freaking buddhist retreat during the season. Training, meditation, work out, meditation, cup of tea, sleep, meditation, film session, cup of tea, game, meditation, sleep. FFS...

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Guilty or not fuck him, get rid of him. On a different note, Myles Garrett should be thrown out of the NFL for attacking with a helmet.

[url]https://twitter.com/notsctop10plays/status/1195200292482174976?s=21[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1236800]Implication of a crime is not the issue. If this story is true [B]he's a very, very low character human being[/B]. Don't think you end up with a winning culture with guys like this on the team.

On top of it he's just not very good. Should be released.[/quote]

I agree, however it's clear character is not a priority when you bring in guys like Reuben Foster almost immediately after they're cut from their last organization for acting like dumbasses.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1236807]Agreed. Even in if he may have done nothing wrong, how you end up in a party where people OD in the middle of a football season is beyond me.

I'd force this guys to a freaking buddhist retreat during the season. Training, meditation, work out, meditation, cup of tea, sleep, meditation, film session, cup of tea, game, meditation, sleep. FFS...[/quote]

That's too much work. Let's just cut him.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1236807]Agreed. Even in if he may have done nothing wrong, how you end up in a party where people OD in the middle of a football season is beyond me.

[B]I'd force this guys to a freaking buddhist retreat during the season. Training, meditation, work out, meditation, cup of tea, sleep, meditation, film session, cup of tea, game, meditation, sleep. FFS..[/B].[/quote]

It might be worthwhile if Nicholson is a great player but he is not.. At this point, there is no reason why Redskins should not release him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236808]Guilty or not fuck him, get rid of him. On a different note, Myles Garrett should be thrown out of the NFL for attacking with a helmet.

[url]https://twitter.com/notsctop10plays/status/1195200292482174976?s=21[/url][/quote]

Yeah that was unacceptable, and I hope the steelers players that retaliated only get fined, not suspended.

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[quote=GridIron26;1236812]It might be worthwhile if Nicholson is a great player but he is not.. At this point, there is no reason why Redskins should not release him.[/quote]

Woops, english typo there, I meant "these guys"... How players end up in those kind of situation in season amazes me...

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[quote=mooby;1236810]I agree, however it's clear character is not a priority when you bring in guys like Reuben Foster almost immediately after they're cut from their last organization for acting like dumbasses.[/quote]

I think the facts around Reuben Foster and the domestic violence stuff are debatable. That's not the only knuckleheaded shit the guy is done, so fair point by you.

I think if there's a sign that guys are doing things in your organization that show they're not prioritizing football during the season, then they need to go.

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[quote=Schneed10;1236815]I think the facts around Reuben Foster and the domestic violence stuff are debatable. That's not the only knuckleheaded shit the guy is done, so fair point by you.

I think if there's a sign t[B]hat guys are doing things in your organization that show they're not prioritizing football during the season, then they need to go[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. Thats was my point, you're paid crazy money to play one of the most difficult sport ever at the highest level, you have no business being in a party involving high amount of drugs between the 1st day of training camp and the end of the season...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1236814]Woops, english typo there, I meant "these guys"... How players end up in those kind of situation in season amazes me...[/quote]

I don't understand it as well.. Playing in NFL is a dream that not many men can achieve and yet some players act as if they are entitled to it.

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It was later reported that he did wait and contact her parents,but what is his connection to the lady and what's this drug overdose stuff in connection with him...cut him!!

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Montae lives life on the edge and his career may be in danger. I'd let Apke play the rest of the season and move on. He's out in the middle of the night w/ some shady people that are doing drugs and as result of that a girl dies? Then you just drop her off like a bag of potatoes and leave? How do you end up in a position like that? I'm thinking back to my wild days and nothing approached this level of shit, where someone had to go to the hospital and died. I can't wait to hear the entire story.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1236821]Montae lives life on the edge and his career may be in danger. I'd let Apke play the rest of the season and move on. He's out in the middle of the night w/ some shady people that are doing drugs and as result of that a girl dies? Then you just drop her off like a bag of potatoes and leave? How do you end up in a position like that? I'm thinking back to my wild days and nothing approached this level of shit, where someone had to go to the hospital and died. I can't wait to hear the entire story.[/quote]

Yeah when you put the pieces together - who he was hanging out with, when, what they did when she OD'd, it paints the picture of a low life.

As soon as I've heard about people in my own life doing stuff 1/4th as questionable I cut them off immediately. To actually engage in it makes me question character.

And it's not just under the heading of young people doing stupid shit. This is beyond that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1236815]I think the facts around Reuben Foster and the domestic violence stuff are debatable. That's not the only knuckleheaded shit the guy is done, so fair point by you.

I think if there's a sign that guys are doing things in your organization that show they're not prioritizing football during the season, then they need to go.[/quote]

Well said.

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I dont fault Nicholson and his friend for bringing her to the ER and then leaving. At that point, the doctors have her and there is nothing they can do to help. Hopefully they let staff know what she took bc that would have a medical benefit.

21 year old partying with NFL player .. Im guessing the wrong mix of party drugs like ectasy and coke (which can result in very bad situations sometimes, sometimes its fine). These days, who knows what they were doing .. oxys?

I actually applaud Nicholson for (1) making the decision to bring her in, and (2) actually carrying her in and not leaving her on the stoop of her parents house, ringing the doorbell then speeding off. I assume he was equally impaired and that is a tough decision to make when your decision making capabilities are askew.

But if he and his friend delayed an hour or more before taking her to the ER .. perhaps she could have been saved. Narcan is a life saver.

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Bruce Allen:"culture is damn good"

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[quote=Defensewins;1236844]Bruce Allen:"culture is damn good"[/quote]

You wonder how long the Montae Nicholsons of the NFL would last on a team like the Patriots.

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[quote=Defensewins;1236844]Bruce Allen:"culture is damn good"[/quote]

The culture is fantastic, great job Montae Nicholson dropping her off at the hospital to die instead of dumping her on her own doorstep.

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[quote=SunnySide;1236826]I dont fault Nicholson and his friend for bringing her to the ER and then leaving. At that point, the doctors have her and there is nothing they can do to help. Hopefully they let staff know what she took bc that would have a medical benefit.

21 year old partying with NFL player .. Im guessing the wrong mix of party drugs like ectasy and coke (which can result in very bad situations sometimes, sometimes its fine). These days, who knows what they were doing .. oxys?

I actually applaud Nicholson for (1) making the decision to bring her in, and (2) actually carrying her in and not leaving her on the stoop of her parents house, ringing the doorbell then speeding off. I assume he was equally impaired and that is a tough decision to make when your decision making capabilities are askew.

But if he and his friend delayed an hour or more before taking her to the ER .. perhaps she could have been saved. Narcan is a life saver.[/quote]

You have low expectations.

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It is easy to speculate on what happened. All we know for sure is he took a girl to the hospital who over dosed and passed away. The optics are not good, but we should wait for the details before passing judgment.

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[quote=Schneed10;1236854]You have low expectations.[/quote]

^^^^ This times 1000% . Great reply.

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I actually thought at one time this year Monte could be worth extending...completely wrong and he needs to go now. Something else completely wrong about is Apke’s play in his place has been fairly strong.

This wasn’t weed but hard drugs.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1236855]It is easy to speculate on what happened. All we know for sure is he took a girl to the hospital who over dosed and passed away. The optics are not good, but we should wait for the details before passing judgment.[/quote]

Everyone is judged every day of their lives for every action (or inaction) they take. That’s life, like it or not.

He was present around people doing illegal drugs late at night during the football season. I’ve heard all I need to know. It’s unacceptable, regardless of details.

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[quote=Schneed10;1236864]Everyone is judged every day of their lives for every action (or inaction) they take. That’s life, like it or not.

He was present around people doing illegal drugs late at night during the football season. I’ve heard all I need to know. It’s unacceptable, regardless of details.[/quote]

Idk Schneed, if we start railing against any Redskins for hanging out in places where people are doing serious drugs (aka a club) our roster might end up pretty thin at the important spots. I think most NFL players aren't cautious about when to partake because they have a good general idea of when they're going to be tested.

It really wouldn't surprise me to find out they were all doing molly/e/whatever. And the NFL hands out scripts like candy, maybe she OD'd off Montae's supply.

Did anyone hold Montae in good character before this? I'd dump him because he's not that good of a player and now he's making repeatedly poor life choices.

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[quote=mooby;1236865]Idk Schneed, if we start railing against any Redskins for[B][U] hanging out in places where people are doing serious drugs (aka a club) our roster might end up pretty thin at the important spots.[/U][/B] I think most NFL players aren't cautious about when to partake because they have a good general idea of when they're going to be tested.

It really wouldn't surprise me to find out they were all doing molly/e/whatever. And the NFL hands out scripts like candy, maybe she OD'd off Montae's supply.

Did anyone hold Montae in good character before this? I'd dump him because he's not that good of a player and now he's making repeatedly poor life choices.[/quote]

It was at Montae's house.
[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/15/redskins-player-who-dropped-overdosed-woman-hospital-practices-might-play-this-weekend/"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/15/redskins-player-who-dropped-overdosed-woman-hospital-practices-might-play-this-weekend/[/URL]

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[quote=Defensewins;1236869]It was at Montae's house.
[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/15/redskins-player-who-dropped-overdosed-woman-hospital-practices-might-play-this-weekend/"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/15/redskins-player-who-dropped-overdosed-woman-hospital-practices-might-play-this-weekend/[/URL][/quote]

A club, his house, it's naive to think athletes and hard drugs don't hang out in the same circles. Even so unless Montae was doing them with her it seems the media jumped the gun on this one.

Reading into that story a bit seems like she had a drug problem. She's not the first and she won't be the last. RIP. Still, it seems like Montae didn't do much of anything wrong, the story even says he waited at the hospital for 1/2 hr. The article even says the SO is the one saying he dropped her off and left.

I still would cut him but that's because I think he's a JAG at safety.

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[quote=mooby;1236865]Idk Schneed, if we start railing against any Redskins for hanging out in places where people are doing serious drugs (aka a club) our roster might end up pretty thin at the important spots. I think most NFL players aren't cautious about when to partake because they have a good general idea of when they're going to be tested.

It really wouldn't surprise me to find out they were all doing molly/e/whatever. And the NFL hands out scripts like candy, maybe she OD'd off Montae's supply.

Did anyone hold Montae in good character before this? I'd dump him because he's not that good of a player and now he's making repeatedly poor life choices.[/quote]

On my part it's neither moral judgement (I really don't care if it's good or evil), neither thinking that he'd be the only one to do that kind of things.

It's just thinking that it's piss poor business decision(s) on his(/their) part. I mean how hard can it be to hold back from hardcore partying for 5/6 months a year when you're paid millions of dollars to be available to play football ?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1236871]On my part it's neither moral judgement (I really don't care if it's good or evil), neither thinking that he'd be the only one to do that kind of things.

It's just thinking that it's piss poor business decision(s) on his(/their) part. I mean how hard can it be to hold back from hardcore partying for 5/6 months a year when you're paid millions of dollars to be available to play football ?[/quote]

I think it's important to make the distinction here for a couple reasons. This conversation about athletes and partying is one thing, but the conversation about Montae needs to be separate. The article says he was playing video games and his girl went to the bathroom which is where they heard her fall to the floor. So he wasn't doing anything wrong. Then I'm sure the shock of her OD'ing probably overwhelmed him so he wasn't sure what to do next.

If he just dumped her at the hospital and bailed that would really look bad but even that is being called into question by the WaPo article. It says he waited for 1/2 hr and then left once her brother got there.

If you wanna talk about why athletes feel the need to go out partying before they have a game that's gonna be a long discussion, I'm pretty sure that's a leaguewide problem. Guys have been doing that for decades now.

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I can’t read the article...but was this his girlfriend? And what drug did she od?

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[quote=Chico23231;1236880]I can’t read the article...but was this his girlfriend? And what drug did she od?[/quote]

It was his girl of 6 months apparently. Article says he was playing video games, she went to use the bathroom, he heard a thump some time later. He investigates, her body is blocking the door.

He called her brother, brother said why are you calling me you need to call 911 or take her to the hospital. Montae's townhouse is a short drive to the hospital, so he took her there. He hung around for at least 1/2 hr and met her brother, but they left before the cops arrived. Her dad searched her room and found a black substance in tinfoil, possibly heroin.

[quote=WaPo]
Washington Redskins safety Montae Nicholson placed a frantic call to the family of Julia Crabbe at 1:07 a.m. Thursday and told Crabbe’s brother something had gone wrong with the 21-year-old he had been dating. The family said Nicholson told them the young woman was overdosing.

“My son said: ‘Why are you calling me? You need to call 911 or take her to the hospital,’ ” said Herman “Butch” Crabbe III, Julia’s father.

...

Herman Crabbe said his daughter had been dating Nicholson for about six months. On Wednesday evening, Julia Crabbe had been out with her brother before she dropped her sibling off at her father’s house, Herman Crabbe said. Julia Crabbe drove off in Nicholson’s car, possibly heading toward Nicholson’s home.

Mark Dycio, an attorney for Nicholson, said his client would not be commenting but said Crabbe and Nicholson had gone out to dinner Wednesday night with some friends before going back to Nicholson’s home in an Ashburn townhouse community near the Redskins’ training facility. Nicholson later told Julia Crabbe’s brother that he and some people were playing video games on the lower level of his house when Julia Crabbe went upstairs to use a bathroom, Herman Crabbe said. At some point, Nicholson heard a thump, according to the account provided to Julia Crabbe’s brother.

Nicholson went upstairs and found Crabbe on the floor of the bathroom, according to the account provided to Julia Crabbe’s brother. The door had to be forced open because her body was blocking it.

At some point, Nicholson placed the call to Julia Crabbe’s brother.

Dycio said Nicholson and another man, who has not been identified, transported Julia Crabbe to the hospital after they found her around 1:30 a.m. Dycio said they thought it would be quicker than waiting for an ambulance because Inova Emergency Room-Ashburn Healthplex is close to Nicholson’s home. The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office said Friday the men did not place a 911 call about Julia Crabbe, who arrived at the facility “unconscious and unresponsive.” She was soon pronounced dead.

Herman Crabbe said Nicholson and the other man waited at the hospital for about 30 minutes, meeting his son but leaving when police arrived. The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office said the men left the area immediately after dropping off Julia Crabbe. Dycio, like Herman Crabbe, said his client waited on the scene for Julia Crabbe’s family to arrive.

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Herman Crabbe said it also remains unclear what drug his daughter may have overdosed on and how she obtained the drug.

Crabbe said Narcan was administered to his daughter at the hospital, indicating she may have taken a narcotic. Crabbe said he searched his daughter’s room after her death and found a black substance in tinfoil, something he thought was heroin. Crabbe said the question of whether his daughter could have been saved if she had gotten help sooner gnaws at him.
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Then it’s official, monte is moron. Cut him now.

I don’t want a guy who dates a heroin addict. You can’t be this stupid.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1236878]I think it's important to make the distinction here for a couple reasons. This conversation about athletes and partying is one thing, but the conversation about Montae needs to be separate. The article says he was playing video games and his girl went to the bathroom which is where they heard her fall to the floor. So he wasn't doing anything wrong. Then I'm sure the shock of her OD'ing probably overwhelmed him so he wasn't sure what to do next.



If he just dumped her at the hospital and bailed that would really look bad but even that is being called into question by the WaPo article. It says he waited for 1/2 hr and then left once her brother got there.



If you wanna talk about why athletes feel the need to go out partying before they have a game that's gonna be a long discussion, I'm pretty sure that's a leaguewide problem. Guys have been doing that for decades now.[/QUOTE]

OK my bad I hadn't read the details of the story.
Jumped to conclusions too fast.

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Re: Breaking: Montae Nicholson left woman at hospital before she died from drug overdose
 

Are some of you forgetting the road rage incident where Montae and his girlfriend were arrested about a year ago? He beat the hell out of a guy in the middle of a street and kept hitting a guy who was not fighting back.

I know a lot of you will claim charges were dropped, in that case which is true.
Problem is as anyone with a lick of common sense realizes the reason why charges against NFL players are often dropped is the fact they buy their way out of trouble. Something the average Joe doesn't have the deep pockets to do.

I think Montae Nicholson does more than just make poor choices.