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mooby 12-09-2017 05:31 PM

The hypocrisy of the ________
 
I deliberately left the end blank so this can be a bipartisan discussion. It doesn't have to be about politics either, let's talk about the hypocrisy of anybody you feel is worthy.

For instance, the hypocrisy of the right, in that when Obama is president, every single major bill passed the main argument was about adding to the deficit. But now that Congress and our President is Republican, adding another tril to the deficit for the tax bill is just a necessary thing we have to do for some tax breaks.

Just so Chico doesn't think this is another excuse to attack the poor innocent right wingers, I also thought it would be interesting to discuss Rose McGowan's attacks on her fellow Hollywooders like [URL="https://www.thedailybeast.com/rose-mcgowan-calls-out-alyssa-milano-for-supporting-weinstein-ex-georgina-chapman"]Alyssa Milano[/URL] and [URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/rose-mcgowan-slams-meryl-streep-over-harvey-weinstein/ar-BBGpkVf?li=BBnb2gh"]Meryl Streep[/URL]. Seems she's not cool with Milano/Streep feigning outrage about Weinstein when Weinstein's soon-to-be ex-wife got on board with him for the money and the connections, and supposedly they knew about all the allegations.

dmek25 12-11-2017 09:24 AM

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wanting roy moore elected, while wanting frankken to resign?

Giantone 12-11-2017 10:23 AM

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[quote=dmek25;1182807]wanting roy moore elected, while wanting frankken to resign?[/quote]

Well done.

Giantone 12-11-2017 10:27 AM

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Rich to want me to pay for their Tax cuts!

MTK 12-11-2017 10:41 AM

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[QUOTE=dmek25;1182807]wanting roy moore elected, while wanting frankken to resign?[/QUOTE]


Or turning a blind eye to president pussy grabber while raking dems over the coals

Chico23231 12-11-2017 10:42 AM

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sarah silverman (who I love, but has really turned into a snowflake fruit loop) using Judaism as the reason she feared an ex-boy who flew the US flag....but then failing to acknowledge this country and the tens of thousands who marched under the US flag to end a genocide which nearly ended Judaism in Europe. Without that flag and this country, all of Europe would be speaking German.

mooby 12-11-2017 11:34 AM

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According to: [url=http://trumpgolfcount.com/]Trump Golf Count[/url]

It has already cost 87 million to pay for Trump's visits to his own golf courses this year. How much did Obama spend on vacations in 4 years?

CRedskinsRule 12-11-2017 02:23 PM

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There is way too much hypocrisy in all walks of life to narrow it to one political agenda, or point of view. The biggest problem of hypocrisy is that the hypocrit of any particular subject can't see his/her hypocrisy likely until it's way in hindsight IF ever.

That said, I will acknowledge I am a hypocrit when it comes to Trump's agenda versus the idiocy that is Trump. In my opinion, this country's future is at stake when it comes to agendas of Sanders/Clinton/Swamp republicans, so I will condemn them in anyway I can, while supporting Trump's agenda. and yes that is the definition of hypocrisy. C'EST LA GUERRE

Giantone 12-11-2017 09:00 PM

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The trump administration in things like this.Tell me this is not a conflic on interest!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-not-granting-loan-relief-defrauded-students-inspector-224756542--sector.html[/url]




Lets talk about colleges that defraud people shall we???

BaltimoreSkins 12-11-2017 09:32 PM

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The hypocrisy of MSNBC being a "liberal" media outlet but kowtowing to the alt-right and firing Sam Seder. Note: After progressives gave them shit they hired him back.

Giantone 12-14-2017 11:23 AM

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[B]REPUBLICANS!!![/B] Do they realize what this looks like? If they get away with this all hell will break lose,this is just proof that trump has damaged this country!

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-introduce-bill-to-remove-bob-mueller-from-special-counsel-2017-11]Republicans introduce resolution to remove Mueller as special counsel - Business Insider[/url]


This guy I thought put Trey Gowdy in his place.


[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/senior-justice-official-dismisses-republican-charges-of-bias-in-trump-probe-idUSKBN1E728J[/url]


[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/republicans-step-attacks-special-counsel-robert-mueller-n829306[/url]

Chico23231 12-14-2017 12:34 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1183242][B]REPUBLICANS!!![/B] Do they realize what this looks like? If they get away with this all hell will break lose,this is just proof that trump has damaged this country!

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-introduce-bill-to-remove-bob-mueller-from-special-counsel-2017-11]Republicans introduce resolution to remove Mueller as special counsel - Business Insider[/url]


This guy I thought put Trey Gowdy in his place.


[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/senior-justice-official-dismisses-republican-charges-of-bias-in-trump-probe-idUSKBN1E728J[/url]


[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/republicans-step-attacks-special-counsel-robert-mueller-n829306[/url][/quote]

You know what....its time to get woke bout the Mueller investigation...and his team.

While Im a fan of Mueller, his team is politically biased and has tainted the investigation. At this point, probably time to stop the investigation and actually investigate the research and research-ies.

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/12/11/russia-collusion-investigation-suspend-robert-muellers-bias-democratic-investigation-robbins-column/938619001/[/url]

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politics/peter-strzok-texts-released/index.html]FBI agent's anti-Trump text messages released to Congress - CNNPolitics[/url]

[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/12/fbi-agents-trump-mueller-texts-294156[/url]

Of course you have to dig deep to find this information because national media isn't reporting it. Doesn't fit the narrative. key issues:

"The central figure in both probes is FBI agent Peter Strzok. Strzok helped conduct the sweetheart interviews of Clinton, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin in the email investigation, in which the latter two blatantly lied about their knowledge of the bootleg server. They were not charged. Strzok also changed then-FBI Director James Comey’s draft language on Clinton’s use of her illicit server from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless,” which is the difference between criminal behavior and an unconscious error.

Strzok promoted the Fusion GPS “Steele dossier,” the sketchy gossip-ridden anti-Trump document paid for by the Clinton campaign and compiled with input from Russian intelligence sources. "


"A series of text messages exchanged between top FBI employees referring to then-presidential candidate Donald Trump as an "idiot" and "d*uche," while fearing his potential victory as "terrifying," were released to lawmakers Tuesday evening on Capitol Hill amid increasing demands to see them, according to documents reviewed by CNN.

Earlier this month, reports surfaced that special counsel Robert Mueller had removed Peter Strzok, one of the FBI's top Russian counterintelligence experts, from his team after an internal investigation by the Justice Department's inspector general uncovered politically tinged messages exchanged with FBI lawyer Lisa Page.

Throughout the primary season in 2016, Strzok and Page appeared to dread a Trump victory, according to the messages reviewed by CNN."



So this is an unbiased investigation?

This investigation is clearly biased... Mueller gotta lotta plaining to do. Consider yourself officially "WOKE" :)

mooby 12-14-2017 01:35 PM

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The beauty of a criminal investigation is that once it goes to trial, actual evidence is what determines if a person is guilty or not. Was Strzok corrupted by personal bias? Yes, but unless the game plan was to use Strzok's testimony in court that Trump is an incompetent boob, it's not going to make a difference. This whole case is contingent upon evidence that Trump/co. colluded with Russians. So they will either need someone from that circle to flip and testify (like Flynn perhaps) and/or they will need actual evidence, let's say bank accounts, phone records, video of them meeting up, etc. to prove they committed a crime.

What are you asking for, a totally non-partisan team of investigators to investigate? LOL we might as well shut the investigation down then.

As the old saying goes, what are you afraid of? If you don't have anything to hide, you're in the clear.

BaltimoreSkins 12-14-2017 03:51 PM

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If the republican argument for Neil Gorsuch is that a judge will rule based on facts and not on political opinion then I will assume that an FBI investigator can do the same.

CRedskinsRule 12-14-2017 04:01 PM

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1183261]If the republican argument for Neil Gorsuch is that a judge will rule based on facts and not on political opinion then I will assume that an FBI investigator can do the same.[/quote]

Except when the same investigator handles two similar situations (Flynn and Abedin) in two polar opposite ways with a clear stated bias.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-14-2017 04:17 PM

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[quote=mooby;1183251][B]The beauty of a criminal investigation is that once it goes to trial, actual evidence is what determines if a person is guilty or not. Was Strzok corrupted by personal bias? Yes, but unless the game plan was to use Strzok's testimony in court that Drumpf is an incompetent boob, it's not going to make a difference.[/B] This whole case is contingent upon evidence that Drumpf/co. colluded with Russians. So they will either need someone from that circle to flip and testify (like Flynn perhaps) and/or they will need actual evidence, let's say bank accounts, phone records, video of them meeting up, etc. to prove they committed a crime.

What are you asking for, a totally non-partisan team of investigators to investigate? LOL we might as well shut the investigation down then.

As the old saying goes, what are you afraid of? If you don't have anything to hide, you're in the clear.[/quote]

This. Evidence should be what wins the day. I hate Donald Trump more than anyone on this planet, and I would actually work damn hard to find something concrete. If I didn't find something, then hey, I'm just a guy who hates Trump. If I did, whatever, the proof is still in the delicious, delicious pudding.

Giantone 12-14-2017 05:48 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1183244]
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politics/peter-strzok-texts-released/index.html]FBI agent's anti-Trump text messages released to Congress - CNNPolitics[/url]




So this is an unbiased investigation?

This investigation is clearly biased... Mueller gotta lotta plaining to do. Consider yourself officially "WOKE" :)[/quote]

Chico ,news flash ,everyone in this country has an opinion on trump.Who was the FBI agent texting when he wrote that text???


Chico ,I like you but you need to educate yourself.


[url=http://billmoyers.com/story/heres-whats-new-trump-russia-timeline/]Newest Additions to Our Trump-Russia Timeline[/url]



As others have pointed out,if facts come to light it doesn't matter what my opinion is as long as the facts are true or the information is truthful.

CRedskinsRule 12-14-2017 06:00 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1183277]Chico ,news flash ,everyone in this country has an opinion on trump.Who was the FBI agent texting when he wrote that text???


Chico ,I like you but you need to educate yourself.


[url=http://billmoyers.com/story/heres-whats-new-trump-russia-timeline/]Newest Additions to Our Trump-Russia Timeline[/url]



As others have pointed out,if facts come to light it doesn't matter what my opinion is as long as the facts are true or the information is truthful.[/quote]

Sorry, and I know it's tit for tat, and old news, and all that crap, BUT when in one investigation Abedin lied about the email servers in an interview with the biased FBI investigator and that's NOT obstruction of justice or worthy of charging her with lying to the FBI as determined by the acknowledged biased investigator, and then Flynn lied about a legal activity (contacting Russia as staff of the President elect), to the same investigator and IS charged, then I think it's reasonable to question if the investigator acted in bad faith, and the "facts" received are somehow tainted.

[quote]In the Clinton case, the Daily Caller reported that FBI documents show Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills told investigators they were not aware of Clinton’s email server until after Clinton left the State Department. However, released emails show Abedin and Mills discussing the server long before Clinton left the State Department. The two were both interviewed by Strzok and never faced criminal prosecution.

On the other hand, Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, was charged with lying to the FBI last week for dishonest statements he gave in an interview with the FBI on Jan. 24. Strzok was the agent who interviewed him[/quote]

mooby 12-14-2017 06:33 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1183263]Except when the same investigator handles two similar situations (Flynn and Abedin) in two polar opposite ways with a clear stated bias.[/quote]

True, hence why he was removed from his job and demoted. And fortunately for you, he wasn't in a position to decide whether or not to bring charges anyways. So if all he brought to the table was corrupt bullshit, you are saying you don't have faith in Mueller that he could correctly decide whether that evidence would be admissible in court. Nor do you have faith that a pro-Republican Congress could look at that same evidence and determine whether it's admissible or not. This case is not going to built on his testimony. I bet Flynn will be the star witness, most likely along intercepts from Russia and other circumstantial bits and pieces used to tie it together.

CRedskinsRule 12-14-2017 06:38 PM

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[quote=mooby;1183280]True, hence why he was removed from his job and demoted. And fortunately for you, he wasn't in a position to decide whether or not to bring charges anyways. So if all he brought to the table was corrupt bullshit, you are saying you don't have faith in Mueller that he could correctly decide whether that evidence would be admissible in court. Nor do you have faith that a pro-Republican Congress could look at that same evidence and determine whether it's admissible or not. This case is not going to built on his testimony. I bet Flynn will be the star witness, most likely along intercepts from Russia and other circumstantial bits and pieces used to tie it together.[/quote]

I said before, if a majority Republican house sees the evidence and votes to impeach, or if the Supreme Court upholds the removal from office, I will abide by that.

But it's interesting, how many cases Baltimore just threw out on the basis of fake evidence by biased cops. The question is could a clearly biased investigator either by omitting evidence that clears or allowing patently false evidence (Steele Dossier) into the record, sway a case to a false end?

I think so...

mooby 12-14-2017 06:50 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1183281]I said before, if a majority Republican house sees the evidence and votes to impeach, or if the Supreme Court upholds the removal from office, I will abide by that.

But it's interesting, how many cases Baltimore just threw out on the basis of fake evidence by biased cops. The question is could a clearly biased investigator either by omitting evidence that clears or allowing patently false evidence (Steele Dossier) into the record, sway a case to a false end?

I think so...[/quote]

The beauty of it is that it's a team of investigators, so if one of them deliberately withheld evidence you'd like to assume there would be enough checks and balances in place to ensure it's not passed over. Additionally, in light of the fact he was removed for bias, you would also assume they are going over all his contributions to make sure they didn't miss anything, especially because it's going to be heavily scrutinized in court.

CRedskinsRule 12-14-2017 07:11 PM

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[quote=mooby;1183282]The beauty of it is that it's a team of investigators, so if one of them deliberately withheld evidence you'd like to assume there would be enough checks and balances in place to ensure it's not passed over. Additionally, in light of the fact he was removed for bias, you would also assume they are going over all his contributions to make sure they didn't miss anything, especially because it's going to be heavily scrutinized in court.[/quote]

well Politifact has this to say (before the removal of Stroetz (sp))


[quote]
Duffy says Mueller "has brought in Democrat campaign donors at a very high level" on his team of lawyers.

[B]Six of the 15 lawyers who have been publicly identified have not made campaign contributions to any political campaigns at the federal level. But among the lawyers who did make contributions, a total of $62,043 went to Democrats and $2,750 to Republicans, according to the special counsel’s office.[/B]

As for a Democratic bias in the investigation, Duffy doesn’t specifically make that charge. But Mueller himself is a longtime Republican. And he is prohibited from choosing lawyers based on political affiliations.

For a statement that is partially accurate, our rating is Half True.

[/quote]
So there is some level of affiliation bias likely in the team. I hope they are setting it aside, and if facts of guilt do come out, I hope they aren't concealed by classified or other bureacratic red tape. IF Trump did somehow collude with the Russians illegally then he should be gone.

BUT, so far what we KNOW is that the DNC run by HC funded the creation of a false dossier with the HELP OF THE RUSSIANS through an intermediary, AND that the FBI at the encouragement of a now exposed biased investigator [U]may have[/U] used that fraudelent document to WIRETAP Hillary Clinton's opponent (Trump)'s team in the election.

So forgive me, if I am not seeing charges Trump but I do see a case for charges against Clinton, SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WAS IN THOSE DELETED EMAILS.

Giantone 12-14-2017 08:47 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1183283]well Politifact has this to say (before the removal of Stroetz (sp))



So there is some level of affiliation bias likely in the team. I hope they are setting it aside, and if facts of guilt do come out, I hope they aren't concealed by classified or other bureacratic red tape. IF Trump did somehow collude with the Russians illegally then he should be gone.

BUT, so far what we KNOW is that the DNC run by HC funded the creation of a false dossier with the HELP OF THE RUSSIANS through an intermediary, AND that the FBI at the encouragement of a now exposed biased investigator [U]may have[/U] used that fraudelent document to WIRETAP Hillary Clinton's opponent (Trump)'s team in the election.

So forgive me, if I am not seeing charges Trump but I do see a case for charges against Clinton, SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WAS IN THOSE DELETED EMAILS.[/quote]

See this has nothing to do with Mueller,it has to do with GOP crybaby BS that if they go after trump they must go after Hillary.


Hillary went through eight House investigations and they found nothing,go back to my link they have trump underlings to the tee .People are afraid that Mueller is going to find something so they want him gone,Facts be damn!

CRedskinsRule 12-14-2017 09:02 PM

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1183287]See this has nothing to do with Mueller,it has to do with GOP crybaby BS that if they go after trump they must go after Hillary.


Hillary went through eight House investigations and they found nothing,go back to my link they have trump underlings to the tee .People are afraid that Mueller is going to find something so they want him gone,Facts be damn![/QUOTE]It is not BS. Everything I said is open knowledge except how or if the dossier relates to the fisa warrant.

So far Mueller has not presented any factual basis for any charges against Trump. If there are facts - not innuendo and leaks - that present a compelling case then when they are shown we can discuss them. For now the facts that are coming out, bias investigator, a team with a minimum of 8 democratic partisans including one who defended the Clinton foundation, proven facts that documents were deleted and lied with no charges filed, about all point to a less then unbiased fact finding mission.

Giantone 12-14-2017 09:26 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1183288]It is not BS. Everything I said is open knowledge except how or if the dossier relates to the fisa warrant.

So far Mueller has not presented any factual basis for any charges against Trump. If there are facts - not innuendo and leaks - that present a compelling case then when they are shown we can discuss them. For now the facts that are coming out, bias investigator, a team with a minimum of 8 democratic partisans including one who defended the Clinton foundation, proven facts that documents were deleted and lied with no charges filed, about all point to a less then unbiased fact finding mission.[/quote]

LOL, yes ,yes it is BS. You continue the presumption of bias without any proof of it. Go back to the time line link I gave,where if any of it is false?

[url=http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/]Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump[/url]


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-apos-deputy-attorney-general-201843092.html[/url]

CRedskinsRule 12-14-2017 10:09 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1183290]LOL, yes ,yes it is BS. You continue the presumption of bias without any proof of it. Go back to the time line link I gave,where if any of it is false?

[url=http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/]Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump[/url]


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-apos-deputy-attorney-general-201843092.html[/url][/quote]

There is proof of bias, in that the FBI Investigator was demoted and reprimanded. How far that bias went, we don't know.

As to your timeline link, 6 events happen in the timeframe of the primaries and the 2016 election. None of which points to anything close to illegal, Although a VK page would be a stupid move for any Republican candidate. (Surprised Hillary didn't though cutesy wink ;) )


Some are from before [U]Pres Obama[/U] was elected.

The rest occur once Trump is President Elect.

NONE of your timeline is illegal in terms of Trump's actions, and the charges that were filed so far are procedural (I understand that is part of trying to get the big fish).

BUT, Huma did lie to the FBI and was not charged. Hillary DID takeover the DNC and rig the Democratic Primaries. Hillary and the DNC did pay for the Russian portion of the Steele Dossier. A democratic leaning investigator who feels like you do about Trump WAS dismissed from the investigation.

I have stated that IF Trump is convicted in the Senate, and that conviction stands, or if he resigns like Nixon, I will accept that.

Now let me ask Trump haters[LIST][*]IF Mueller's investigation ends with no documented charges against Trump will you accept that conclusion.[/LIST]

CRedskinsRule 12-14-2017 11:21 PM

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I am curious how people interpret this text from Strzok
[QUOTE]“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office - that there’s no way he gets elected - but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” Strzok texted on Aug. 15, 2016. “It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”*[/QUOTE]

mooby 12-14-2017 11:27 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1183292]There is proof of bias, in that the FBI Investigator was demoted and reprimanded. How far that bias went, we don't know.

As to your timeline link, 6 events happen in the timeframe of the primaries and the 2016 election. None of which points to anything close to illegal, Although a VK page would be a stupid move for any Republican candidate. (Surprised Hillary didn't though cutesy wink ;) )


Some are from before [U]Pres Obama[/U] was elected.

The rest occur once Trump is President Elect.

NONE of your timeline is illegal in terms of Trump's actions, and the charges that were filed so far are procedural (I understand that is part of trying to get the big fish).

BUT, Huma did lie to the FBI and was not charged. Hillary DID takeover the DNC and rig the Democratic Primaries. Hillary and the DNC did pay for the Russian portion of the Steele Dossier. A democratic leaning investigator who feels like you do about Trump WAS dismissed from the investigation.

I have stated that IF Trump is convicted in the Senate, and that conviction stands, or if he resigns like Nixon, I will accept that.

Now let me ask Trump haters [LIST] [*][B]IF Mueller's investigation ends with no documented charges against Trump will you accept that conclusion[/B].[/LIST] [/quote]

Yes. I do have faith in the investigation team and if they find Flynn was acting on his own behalf then so be it.

However, I also believe because Flynn was in a leadership position on the transition team, he was also acting on Trump/Trump Jr's/Kushner's behalf. If he wasn't doing anything illegal, he wouldn't have been charged, and also pled guilty.

TBH, I find this discussion semi-pointless because obviously the investigation hasn't concluded yet. Why rush them? If there's nothing to hide, they will eventually come to that conclusion, and there's nothing to fear. So sit back, and let them come to that conclusion. The FBI isn't the judge and jury here, and I doubt a Republican majority in Congress is going to do anything unless they have some damn solid proof this was an organizational effort to collude with Russia.

Giantone 12-15-2017 06:24 AM

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[quote=mooby;1183294]Yes. I do have faith in the investigation team and if they find Flynn was acting on his own behalf then so be it.

However, I also believe because Flynn was in a leadership position on the transition team, he was also acting on Trump/Trump Jr's/Kushner's behalf. If he wasn't doing anything illegal, he wouldn't have been charged, and also pled guilty.

TBH, I find this discussion semi-pointless because obviously the investigation hasn't concluded yet. Why rush them? If there's nothing to hide, they will eventually come to that conclusion, and there's nothing to fear. So sit back, and let them come to that conclusion. The FBI isn't the judge and jury here, and I doubt a Republican majority in Congress is going to do anything unless they have some damn solid proof this was an organizational effort to collude with Russia.[/quote]


CR, I agree with Mooby ...to a point.Yes there is a very god chance all these others were doing what they did for trump and there wasn't any collusion but you said something about resigning like Nixon. You do realize Nixon was never part of the original Watergate investigation right,he got nailed in the cover up of it and I (IMPO) think trump will get nailed the same way.Mueller team is honest and I believe will find proof that many more of trumps underlings are dirty.Remember that is what trump does,he requires an oath of allegiance to him and will throw anyone he can under the bus.

My question to Chico and CR,you believe there is bias in the investigation and the media ....everywhere,what about a jury? How do you suppose we make sure there is no bias on the jury,regardless of bias by whomever a jury must decide on actual facts ,correct? The trumplings that have been snagged all have admitted to their wrong doing,what bias is there in that?

Chico23231 12-15-2017 09:26 AM

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[quote=Giantone;1183277]Chico ,news flash ,everyone in this country has an opinion on trump.Who was the FBI agent texting when he wrote that text???


Chico ,I like you but you need to educate yourself.


[url=http://billmoyers.com/story/heres-whats-new-trump-russia-timeline/]Newest Additions to Our Trump-Russia Timeline[/url]



As others have pointed out,if facts come to light it doesn't matter what my opinion is as long as the facts are true or the information is truthful.[/quote]

Your rationalize of those facts I presented as just “opinions people have” is perfect for this thread. Because if this was president Hillary Clinton with an investigation against her emails, server, etc being lead by a team of trump supporters, with biased text messages against Hillary, with a lead investigator who had pushed a fictitious dossier which was funded by the Republican Party, etc. then you would have zero problem with it...right?

Giantone 12-15-2017 10:02 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1183302]Your rationalize of those facts I presented as just “opinions people have” is perfect for this thread. Because if this was president Hillary Clinton with an investigation against her emails, server, etc being lead by a team of trump supporters, with biased text messages against Hillary, with a lead investigator who had pushed a fictitious dossier which was funded by the Republican Party, etc. then you would have zero problem with it...right?[/quote]

Yes,becuase it's already happen,eight different times.

Chico23231 01-03-2018 09:52 AM

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[url=http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367141-congressional-investigators-find-irregularities-in-fbis-handling-of]Congressional investigators find irregularities in FBI's handling of Clinton email case | TheHill[/url]

The Hypocrisy of the FBI.

Giantone 01-03-2018 01:00 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1184894][url=http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367141-congressional-investigators-find-irregularities-in-fbis-handling-of]Congressional investigators find irregularities in FBI's handling of Clinton email case | TheHill[/url]

The Hypocrisy of the FBI.[/quote]

....the hill?:sleep:

Giantone 01-03-2018 01:10 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1184894][url=http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367141-congressional-investigators-find-irregularities-in-fbis-handling-of]Congressional investigators find irregularities in FBI's handling of Clinton email case | TheHill[/url]

The Hypocrisy of the FBI.[/quote]

Seems some other investigators have found some other problems.....


[url=http://www.newsweek.com/pence-trump-jr-mueller-charge-2018-765287]Will Mueller Charge Mike Pence or Donald Trump Jr. In Russia Investigation in 2018?[/url]

mooby 01-04-2018 01:02 PM

Re: The hypocrisy of the ________
 
Found some actual fake news by Chico's favorite credible source, The Hill:

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawmakers-briefed-by-yale-psychiatrist-on-trumps-mental-health-report/ar-BBHQtbq?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

There's no reason to put this article out unless you want the American public knowing lawmakers are actually questioning Trump's ability to handle the job. What is there to gain by releasing this article? We all know Trump isn't going to be removed from office for his tweets, no matter what he says. Even if Trump's physical goes bad, and it comes out that he subsists on a diet of Twinkies and Big Macs, nothing is going to come of it. It's probably easier to prove that he colluded with Russians than proving he doesn't have the mental capacity to handle the office.

BaltimoreSkins 01-11-2018 09:37 PM

Re: The hypocrisy of the ________
 
[url]http://www.wbaltv.com/article/sams-club-closes-owings-mills-location/15061916[/url]

This was a pretty big shit move if you ask me. Don't even have the decency to tell workers ahead of time. Shame on Wal-Mart generally I think they do a lot right .

Giantone 01-11-2018 09:48 PM

Re: The hypocrisy of the ________
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1185499][url]http://www.wbaltv.com/article/sams-club-closes-owings-mills-location/15061916[/url]

This was a pretty big shit move if you ask me. Don't even have the decency to tell workers ahead of time. Shame on Wal-Mart generally I think they do a lot right .[/quote]




Not surprised a BS company would pull a BS move like this.How much did Walmart make last year ???With all the regular and "Super Walmart's " around you couldn't transfer or find jobs for other employees at those other locations that are staying open?

Giantone 01-11-2018 09:49 PM

Re: The hypocrisy of the ________
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1185499][url]http://www.wbaltv.com/article/sams-club-closes-owings-mills-location/15061916[/url]

This was a pretty big shit move if you ask me. Don't even have the decency to tell workers ahead of time. Shame on Wal-Mart generally I think they do a lot right .[/quote]

Sorry double post.

CRedskinsRule 02-13-2018 07:31 PM

Re: The hypocrisy of the ________
 
I still don't get mainstream news media.

Even as they push the Russian Collusion/Obstruction of Justice fake news, they headline an article that has as it's main thesis:
[quote]Even as his intelligence chiefs unanimously told a Senate panel Tuesday that Russia meddled in 2016 and is planning to do so again in 2018, three sources familiar with the President's thinking say he remains unconvinced that Russia interfered in the presidential election.[/quote]

the leap in logic gives me a headache. I think it goes like this:
1) Trump colluded with Russia during election - impeach him
2) ok, maybe he didn't but he tried to obstruct justice by asking Comey to go easy on Flynn for lying to the FBI (you know, like Comey did with HC) -- Definitely Nixonian IMPEACH him
3) and not only that, but he is so dumb he doesn't believe that Russians tried to interfere with the elections (even though he COLLUDED with them) -- Amendment 25 him

The hoops that the left is going through, with 0 tangible evidence, is dumbfounding. Republicans had far more then this, even with the FBI in HC's corner, and the left called it a witch hunt.

This whole episode is as bad as KC's contract stuff. People are intransigent in their belief in their "rightness".

I think I am going to drive myself bipolar because nearly every night I flip between Hannity and Rachel Maddow. Both state their cases with such passion, it's amazing. When it comes to the end, whichever way it ends, I hope this country can come together, but it's hard to believe that can happen at this point.

CRedskinsRule 06-15-2018 12:31 PM

Re: The hypocrisy of the ________
 
Our most dear ally Germany is committed to NATO's spending agreements, someday.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germanys-merkel-is-realistic-about-nato-spending-target/2018/06/15/144ee27e-709b-11e8-b4d8-eaf78d4c544c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.98ee8edc517c[/url]

[QUOTE] Chancellor Angela Merkel says Germany is committed to the NATO target of spending [B]2 percent[/B] of a country’s gross domestic product on defense, but is realistic about reaching it.

Merkel on Friday underlined Germany’s plan to [B]reach 1.5 percent by 2024[/B].[/QUOTE]
emphasis mine - in today's dollars, a 1/2 percent of Germany's GDP (2017 - $3.686trillion) is about $18 Billion dollars, over the next 6 years that about $104B shortfall at a minimum, and it's a lot more than that, since she is "hoping" to make it to 1.5 by 2024

And some wonder why I'm not upset at Trump calling out our allies. Asking them to treat us as a fair partner shouldn't be seen as being the culprit.

Just because we are allies, doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't call them out when they are practicing uneven policies, or not living up to their stated agreements.


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