Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

First of all before anyone gets their nose bent out of shape, I would prefer we did not draft a CB in the first round.
Will we?
Maybe...
I have seen a couple mocks with us taking Eli Apple.
Culliver is nursing his second ACL tear and its probably going to be mid/late summer at absolute best to see him doing any serious cutting.
It would cost $3.75 million in dead cap to cut Culliver this offseason.
His suspension voided guaranteed money.
[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6624/chris-culliver]Chris Culliver - Washington Redskins - 2016 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

Apple could be a nice addition as he is one of the taller CBs in the draft.
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2060759/eli-apple]Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

Culliver stuff....
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/02/10/offseason-questions-can-chris-culliver-make-a-full-recovery/[/url]

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

no thanks, sign a mid-level free agent CB. The early draft picks must be used on the front 7... preferably on the defensive line

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[quote=Irrefutable;1139126]no thanks, sign a mid-level free agent CB. The early draft picks must be used on the front 7... preferably on the defensive line[/quote]

What if McLoving thinks the next Revis is available at our pick?

BPA every round, every pick. If we have good depth at the position, trade a guy or cut a guy and use the money elsewhere.

The notion we pass on the next Jonathan Ogden because we have a right tackle on the rise and the best tackle in the league is silly. (Just an example.) Draft the next Ogden and trade Moses to Carolina.

It's the only way to have more talent than salary.

Seattle made it to back to back Superbowls and are still contenders because they used this strategy.

It would be awesome to the have the Seahawks issues with figuring out which guys to pay and which guys to let go because they drafted huge talent on the cheap. BPA gives them more talent than they can afford under the cap.

BPA is how a team gets into the position to have Seattle's problems.

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

we're bringing in another corner one way or the other. i wouldn't be against it if scot felt like that was the best way to go.

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I'd be fine with a CB.

At this point, Scott McL has shown he knows more about building football teams than I do.

I trust that if he picks a CB, then that must have been the highest rated player on his board and I value his board over any other talking head, talent scout.

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Mayock now has Apple as the #4 rated CB.
Anyone think that four CBs will go in the first round?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000635418/article/mike-mayocks-2016-nfl-draft-position-rankings]Mike Mayock's 2016 NFL Draft position rankings - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1139142]Mayock now has Apple as the #4 rated CB.
Anyone think that four CBs will go in the first round?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000635418/article/mike-mayocks-2016-nfl-draft-position-rankings]Mike Mayock's 2016 NFL Draft position rankings - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

It's possible, and it depends on whether teams have Jalen Ramsey listed as a CB or a Safety

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0OLU8gG.jpg[/IMG]

too late for this guy but he seems at peace with it.

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

If corner is BPA when we pick then go for it. Even before Culliver was hurt he was not worth 8 million a year. He was not a shutdown corner by any means.

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1139174]If corner is BPA when we pick then go for it. Even before Culliver was hurt he was not worth 8 million a year. He was not a shutdown corner by any means.[/quote]

so do the Redskins use the escape clause in Culliver's contract and cut him ?

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1139125]First of all before anyone gets their nose bent out of shape, I would prefer we did not draft a CB in the first round.[/quote]

For me its not that complicated.
If a CB is the BPA in the 1st we should draft them.

I don't get the reasoning behind not wanting to draft a certain position IF they are the BPA.

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[quote=30gut;1139193]For me its not that complicated.
If a CB is the BPA in the 1st we should draft them.

I don't get the reasoning behind not wanting to draft a certain position IF they are the BPA.[/quote]

Ok, preempt that with "In a perfect world"...

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1139197]Ok, preempt that with "In a perfect world"...[/quote]Why? (actual question because im curious how other people view the draft)

The only caveat I have 4 best player available isn't really a caveat. But best player available applies not only to the drafted prospect but to the players on your own team. Meaning if the player you have on your team is better than the player that's available in the draft then that player cannot be the best player available because he's not better than the player that you currently have. But for me that is the only caveat the best player available.

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

Hell yeah I'd be ok with a CB in the first, why the heck not?

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

[quote=30gut;1139198]Why? (actual question because im curious how other people view the draft)

The only caveat I have 4 best player available isn't really a caveat. But best player available applies not only to the drafted prospect but to the players on your own team. Meaning if the player you have on your team is better than the player that's available in the draft then that player cannot be the best player available because he's not better than the player that you currently have. But for me that is the only caveat the best player available.[/quote]

It means we have popular solutions to other questionable spots on the defense.
So we can "afford" to take a CB in the first round.

At this point I view the draft like a lot of others on the Warpath.
We need to pick defense in the first round.
The priority that lies therein is debatable, understandably so.
If we get a hot shit corner back then its all cool.

So if we draft Eli Apple I [B]wont [/B]yell WTF in my living room when we make the pick and my wife will scold me.

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[quote=MTK;1139217]Hell yeah I'd be ok with a CB in the first, why the heck not?[/quote]

I feel the same way.

In the first round, you're drafting someone who you think can be a quality starter on your team right away, regardless of position. First round QB's are the exception as they may not start right away in many cases for what I think are obvious reasons. First round picks, other than QB's, must start immediately and they must improve your team. Just my opinion.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1139178]so do the Redskins use the escape clause in Culliver's contract and cut him ?[/quote]

Personally I would keep Culliver for next year. Can never have too many corners.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1139230]Personally I would keep Culliver for next year. Can never have too many corners.[/quote]

a $9.2 million dollar back-up ?... he may not be healthy at the start of the season too

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[quote=Irrefutable;1139231]a $9.2 million dollar back-up ?... he may not be healthy at the start of the season too[/quote]

Then stick him on the PUP until he is ready to play.

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

culliver already said it's a two year injury to get back to 100%, he's already had one of these. we may keep him anyways, because you need 2-3 good corners, and he's still a good corner.

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Too much dead money this year to cut and it makes zero sense to cut him especially after our problems a CB last year.

Culliver is absolutely 100% back this year.

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[B][/B][quote=Chico23231;1139248]Too much dead money this year to cut and it makes zero sense to cut him especially after our problems a CB last year.

Culliver is absolutely 100% back this year.[/quote]

There is a clause in Culliver's contract that voids it if he is suspended. The clause could minimize the dead money. He has a serious knee problem- no guarantee he will be 100% anytime soon, if ever again.

[B]Update; per Washington Times all guaranteed money can be voided if Culiver is suspended [/B]

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1139248]Too much dead money this year to cut and it makes zero sense to cut him especially after our problems a CB last year.

Culliver is absolutely 100% back this year.[/quote]

It would be 3.75 million.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1139227]It means we have popular solutions to other questionable spots on the defense.
So we can "afford" to take a CB in the first round.[/quote]I don't follow.

[quote]...At this point I view the draft like a lot of others on the Warpath.
We need to pick defense in the first round.
The priority that lies therein is debatable, understandably so.
If we get a hot shit corner back then its all cool.[/quote]I don't understand nor agree with the 'we need to pick defense in the first round'. Let me pose this question.

What do you do if a WR or RB or OL is clearly the BPA at pick 21? Are you gonna pass over the better prospect in order to draft a player on defense?

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

Cripes...this isn't supposed to be that complicated.
Just talk about drafting a cornerback in this thread.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1139250][B][/B]

There is a clause in Culliver's contract that voids it if he is suspended. The clause could minimize the dead money. He has a serious knee problem- no guarantee he will be 100% anytime soon, if ever again.

[B]Update; per Washington Times all guaranteed money can be voided if Culiver is suspended [/B][/quote]

And just how shabbily would you like the Redskins to treat their players?

The incident for which Culliver was eventually suspended occurred one year before the Skins signed him. The Redskins knew that he might be suspended once the case was resolved in the courts. For the Skins to cut him now that he's injured and use a technicality to void his contract would be lower than whale shit.

Re: Drafting a cornerback in the first round.
 

[quote=30gut;1139198]Why? (actual question because im curious how other people view the draft)

The only caveat I have 4 best player available isn't really a caveat. But best player available applies not only to the drafted prospect but to the players on your own team. Meaning if the player you have on your team is better than the player that's available in the draft then that player cannot be the best player available because he's not better than the player that you currently have. But for me that is the only caveat the best player available.[/quote]

Agreed. There are three postions we will not draft. LT, RG, or RT. They may draft a LT and move him to LG, but we are not going to draft a new LT. We have to many holes to fill.

I have no issues drafting a DB/S in the 1st round.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139262]And just how shabbily would you like the Redskins to treat their players?

The incident for which Culliver was eventually suspended occurred one year before the Skins signed him. The Redskins knew that he might be suspended once the case was resolved in the courts. For the Skins to cut him now that he's injured and use a technicality to void his contract would be lower than whale shit.[/quote]

They would be cutting him because he did not play like a shut-down CB. The NFL is not a charity. Culliver agreed to the contract. Paying $9.2 million to an average CB is foolish.

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starting CBs make a lot of money, he is a starting cb. i don't think he played up to the contract, but if you cut him, you gotta replace him and you might end up paying him and the new guy next year. i don't know if the skins would void the deal, if they do, then it's simply a matter of if they see a FA replacement they believe they can get.

i think we'd draft a db at some point regardless.