No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

Not sure I ever thought I'd read a headline like this, not sure what McCloughan is getting paid but it's probably not enough

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Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

That was one of the best drafts we've probably ever had. I can't wait to see what he does this yr

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Kiper forgot to mention Jarrett, even Dunbar who was undrafted should be mentioned.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

Yeah we do need a CB but Dunbar looks pretty good and maybe he can be a starter next yr? I was disappointed in culliver this yr

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culliver >>>>>>>>>> dunbar. dunbar is depth.

that said, an acl is really a two year injury, so culliver will probably have a bit of a down year. so we'll need to grab someone to help with that, but you want 3 good cbs anyways.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

I just hope that McCloughan sticks to building this team primarily thru the draft. Save free agent money for keeping our core together. In Scot I trust!

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

This entire article is a moot point, we let future HOFer David Amerson go.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

Come a long way but have a long way to go for Redskins.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

[quote=mooby;1137738]This entire article is a moot point, we let future HOFer David Amerson go.[/quote]

:rofl:

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

I said it before the draft, SM spent the entire last season evaluating college players, so this should have been a homerun draft and it definitely was. I am as interested to see how our scouting department does this year.

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I see you working Scott M. That's awesome to see. If you're on top of an "experts" list, you're probably close to the top on most list. Having a real GM is fantastic. I'd say, Snyder's best decision as owner to date.

Note - if I won the approximate 1.5 billion lottery by myself, I would have tried to buy the most stakes of the redskins as possible. With the taxes, probably couldn't get the whole team.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

[quote=That Guy;1137716]culliver >>>>>>>>>> dunbar. dunbar is depth.

that said, an acl is really a two year injury, so culliver will probably have a bit of a down year. so we'll need to grab someone to help with that, but you want 3 good cbs anyways.[/quote]

3 at minimum nowadays. I trust Scott and hope we keep Culliver. I've always liked him as a player even before we signed him.

Breeland, Culliver, Dunbar, Draft Pick in first few rounds....thats a very solid 4 to me.

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[quote=MTK;1137707]Not sure I ever thought I'd read a headline like this, not sure what McCloughan is getting paid but it's probably not enough

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Scott M. is the foundational piece that is leading us back to the glory days! I'm actually so excited to be a Skins fan. I feel like we finally have a chance for sustainable success. HTTR! Love it.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

Best draft class around here in a real long time.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

Looking at the playoffs we see a lot of injuries affecting the lineups...QBs Ben and Peyton, WR the entire Green Bay corp and Antonio brown, RBs lynch, Williams, Rawls Charles...oline of the Patriots...

so while it's key to draft starters, drafting depth can be just as important. While kipper mentions those contributions...guys like Jarrett, spaight and kouandjio are players who still can play major roles in the future.

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[I]“To me, with McCloughan being a great evaluator, [the Redskins] have a chance to really step it up next year and be right there with the Cowboys in a very competitive division.”[/I]

I guess Kipler is thinking the 4-12 season Dallas had was a fluke this year.

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[quote=metalskins;1137799][I]“To me, with McCloughan being a great evaluator, [the Redskins] have a chance to really step it up next year and be right there with the Cowboys in a very competitive division.”[/I]

[B]I guess Kipler is thinking the 4-12 season Dallas had was a fluke this year.[/B][/quote]

What was more of a fluke, the Cowboys going 12-4 in 2014 or 4-12 in 2015 with no Romo? Better to prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys bounce back next year.

For me my biggest fear is McC leaving for some reason, whether it be his personal issues, or some other team offering him an unheard of deal, or w/e. This may come off the wrong way but I want him here for life. Idc if we have to dig a hole and make him put the lotion on the skin, I want him like a fat kid wants cake. #noshame I think when it's all said and done and if he keeps his personal issues under control by the time he retires he could be mentioned with some of the all time greats. Very few men have the track record of success that he has.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

[quote=metalskins;1137799][I]“To me, with McCloughan being a great evaluator, [the Redskins] have a chance to really step it up next year and be right there with the Cowboys in a very competitive division.”[/I]

I guess Kipler is thinking the 4-12 season Dallas had was a fluke this year.[/quote]

Sure romo is a big loss...anytime a starting fringe top 10 qb goes down, it will affect the team. But if u actually watched the Cowboys this year..wow..they have a lot of problems all over the field. No pass rush, no turnovers on defense, shaky secondary play, an Oline that took a step back and a head coach that took a step back...they have a lot of questions to answer before anyone pencils them in as east champs 2016.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

[quote=mooby;1137801]What was more of a fluke, the Cowboys going 12-4 in 2014 or 4-12 in 2015 with no Romo? Better to prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys bounce back next year.

For me my biggest fear is McC leaving for some reason, whether it be his personal issues, or some other team offering him an unheard of deal, or w/e. This may come off the wrong way but I want him here for life. Idc if we have to dig a hole and make him put the lotion on the skin, I want him like a fat kid wants cake. #noshame I think when it's all said and done and if he keeps his personal issues under control by the time he retires he could be mentioned with some of the all time greats. Very few men have the track record of success that he has.[/quote]
On SM I agree.

On Dallas, Garrett is 40 and 40 in the past 5 years as Cowboys, that's an almost incredible feat.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

[quote=metalskins;1137799][I]“To me, with McCloughan being a great evaluator, [the Redskins] have a chance to really step it up next year and be right there with the Cowboys in a very competitive division.”[/I]

I guess Kipler is thinking the 4-12 season Dallas had was a fluke this year.[/quote]

Dallas with Romo healthy probably makes the playoffs, lack of QB killed them.

No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

Dallas had more problems than QB.

Kiper mentions them because it's some sort of requirement in the media to constantly be on their nuts.

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Saw a stat that showed crowder led the nfl in catch rate which is impressive

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

Kiper is a fool. Did he actually watch any of the Cowboy games? They can no longer count on Romo to play 16 games. He is fragile at this point of his career.

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

I lost credit for kiper when he said "I guarantee you Clausen will be better than sam bradford"

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

He's just another wanna be draft expert. He has no real credentials, never played or worked for an NFL team. I'll never forget the former Colts GM destroying him on live tv.

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What might have been. Maybe see if he wants to come back now that his head is clear.

[url]http://www.newsweek.com/connor-halliday-former-football-star-416717[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1137877]What might have been. Maybe see if he wants to come back now that his head is clear.

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This guy sounds like a chump and a punk...after reading this, I don't want him near dc. Eff this guy

Re: No NFL team got more from 2015 draft class than Redskins, ESPN’s Mel Kiper says
 

[quote=mtk;1137820]dallas had more problems than qb.

Kiper mentions them because it's some sort of requirement in the media to constantly be on their nuts.[/quote]

this!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1137879]This guy sounds like a chump and a punk...after reading this, I don't want him near dc. Eff this guy[/quote]

He sounds like he was pretty immature and all the setbacks that occurred might have humbled his ass.

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[quote=Chico23231;1137879]This guy sounds like a chump and a punk...after reading this, I don't want him near dc. Eff this guy[/quote]

Reading this part tugged at my heartstrings:

"Halliday’s flight out of Dulles International Airport departed before dawn. His cab arrived at 3:45 a.m. As the taxi approached the on-ramp of the highway, a lone vehicle pulled directly in front of it: a BMW 760, just like the one he had dreamt of owning. “It was right in front of us,” says Halliday. “Then the driver floored it. He must have been going 100 to 120 miles per hour. And that was my dream disappearing in front of me.”

Surely someone will give this guy the opportunity to fulfill his dream of going 100-120 mph in a Beamer with 20's on it.

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[quote=mooby;1137898]Reading this part tugged at my heartstrings:

"Halliday’s flight out of Dulles International Airport departed before dawn. His cab arrived at 3:45 a.m. As the taxi approached the on-ramp of the highway, a lone vehicle pulled directly in front of it: a BMW 760, just like the one he had dreamt of owning. “It was right in front of us,” says Halliday. “Then the driver floored it. He must have been going 100 to 120 miles per hour. And that was my dream disappearing in front of me.”

Surely someone will give this guy the opportunity to fulfill his dream of going 100-120 mph in a Beamer with 20's on it.[/quote]

This guy needs a severe beating with a baseball bat. Lazy, entitled douchebag.

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[quote=Chico23231;1137899]This guy needs a severe beating with a baseball bat. Lazy, entitled douchebag.[/quote]

Dipshit didn't know an omen when he saw one. He should have told the driver to turn around. Too late now.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1137881]He sounds like he was pretty immature and all the setbacks that occurred might have humbled his ass.[/quote]

he sounds like he was selfish then and he's still selfish now. the guy doesn't get it. his personal stats are more important than wins. air time on espn is more important than his team. having big money is more important than earning a job in the nfl. he's an entitled a-hole who's shown that he's learned nothing. he walked away because he felt like he deserved better. it's his own fault.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1137840]He's just another wanna be draft expert. He has no real credentials, never played or worked for an NFL team. I'll never forget the former Colts GM destroying him on live tv.[/quote]

Thats funny I remember it the other way. Kiper made the colts look silly.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1137964]Thats funny I remember it the other way. Kiper made the colts look silly.[/quote]

that year he did. too lazy to look it up right now though. I think he spent a lot more time on studying college players and not a ton of other people were doing that back then. now there's an entire industry of college/nfl draft experts and he spends a lot more time on camera year round, instead of spending an entire year for one night on espn. he's still good, but i think nfldraftscout (now owned by cbs) has surpassed him in accuracy now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1137836]Kiper is a fool. Did he actually watch any of the Cowboy games? They can no longer count on Romo to play 16 games. He is fragile at this point of his career.[/quote]

Sorry to go off subject, but it is insane how many analysts are saying that the Cowpukes are going to be back next year with Romo and don't see this or the other issues that they had this season.

Houston, which had a lot of similarities to the Cowpukes (suspect running game, stud WR, and very good defense) had their share of QB issues, yet they were able to remain competitive in a wide-open AFC South. I mean, Brandon Weeden and TJ Yates were able to win games for Houston.

Honestly, I'm glad the Cowpukes are so dependent on their aging/now-injury-prone QB. And it is going to be insanely fun for us Redskins fans when Jerry brings Johnny Boozeball to be their future QB.

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I think we need to go for defensive stars in this draft, even if it means taking some risk.

Examples:

1st Round - Robert Nkemdiche, DT Ole Miss. Great athlete, penetrator, perfect NFL body. The risk is that he has exhibited immature behavior off the field. Ranked #22 on Draft Scout Big Board.

2nd Round - Su'a Cravens, OLB Sothern Cal. Born to be an NFL SS. Great size, speed, excellent tackler, nose for the ball, termendous athlete. The risk? Not that much, really. At USC he played a hybrid OLB/SS position. Ranked #49 on DS BB.

Check out the film on these players. I think you'll see what I'm talking about.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1137877]What might have been. Maybe see if he wants to come back now that his head is clear.

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[quote]“I felt bad about not telling coach Gruden face-to-face,” says Halliday. “But I also felt like they told me that they were going to draft me, and then they didn’t.”[/quote]

LOL....what a fucking entitled punk. No wonder his wife hauled ass on him. (says a lot about her as well) He sounds like a young Jeff George. Concerned with nothing but stats, over inflated ego......and still doesn't get it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1137982]Sorry to go off subject, but it is insane how many analysts are saying that the Cowpukes are going to be back next year with Romo and don't see this or the other issues that they had this season.

Houston, which had a lot of similarities to the Cowpukes (suspect running game, stud WR, and very good defense) had their share of QB issues, yet they were able to remain competitive in a wide-open AFC South. I mean, Brandon Weeden and TJ Yates were able to win games for Houston.

Honestly, I'm glad the Cowpukes are so dependent on their aging/now-injury-prone QB. And it is going to be insanely fun for us Redskins fans when Jerry brings Johnny Boozeball to be their future QB.[/quote]

Texans hare competitive because they benefit of playing Jacksonville, Titans and the Colts w/out Luck. They got their asses handed to them against KC at home. Not impressed by the Texans at all. I get the comparison I guess....

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1137964]Thats funny I remember it the other way. Kiper made the colts look silly.[/quote]

You are correct, he did make the Colts look bad, for good reason.
In the 1994 draft the Colts with the fifth pick, they really reached for LB Trev Albert who was not rated to go in the top 10. Trev Albert did not make it three years and he had to retire.
It was a time the Colts were terrible and had some terrible drafts.