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Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
The Washington Redskins selected quarterback Robert Griffin III with the second overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, and were hoping that he could be a long-time franchise quarterback for them. He looked like that type of player during his rookie season, but since then has struggled with injuries and inconsistency. Last season was an absolute nightmare for Griffin, and he could be facing his final chance with the Redskins 2015.
Despite the pressure that he is facing, Griffin is ready to turn his career back around and get back to being a franchise caliber quarterback. [url=http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/robert-griffin-iii-ready-to-turn-career-around-with-redskins-in-2015-071815]Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015 | FOX Sports[/url] |
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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/healthy-and-happy-robert-griffin-iii-ready-for-fresh-start-with-washington-redskins/2014/07/24/d9a45582-136f-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html]Healthy and happy, Robert Griffin III ready for fresh start with Washington Redskins - The Washington Post[/url]
Thing is, that's the story EVERY year, and was the story last year, as linked above. I'd like to see the story saying, "RG3 is just giving up this year and riding out the contract" or "RG3 is not ready for this year and wants a few more months for practice and filming commercials" -- that would be news.. Yes, I realize we're in the black hole where there's nothing to report on until training camp.. Can't wait for real football. |
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I'm s-o-o-o tired of talk from RGIII. I would like him to say something like this: "All I have to say is 'Just watch me'. You guys can write whatever you want about me. It doesn't matter. I'm gonna prove myself on the field this season."
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Its definitely put up or shut up time for RG3.
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"He’ll be the first to tell you he needs to improve, and I’ll be the second to tell you he needs to improve.”
- jay gruden lol, i like the way he talks. may not be the best for a sensitive QB like RG3 but i like it. the quote was from the second article. |
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I am excited to see what he does. I almost felt like right before his ankle injury in the Jax game we were starting to see the old RGIII. Even the run that he hurt his ankle on was a decent play.
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i dont want to hear any more excuses from RG3...if he sharts the bed in training camp and beginning of season, then Im for a quick move to the bench and play Cousins for the rest of year.
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[quote=over the mountain;1115095]"He’ll be the first to tell you he needs to improve, and I’ll be the second to tell you he needs to improve.”
- jay gruden lol, i like the way he talks. may not be the best for a sensitive QB like RG3 but i like it. the quote was from the second article.[/quote] If RGIII is too sensitive to handle criticism he can always try another profession. |
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I'll say it again, he's just not the guy. He has too many issues. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/07/21/anonymous-coach-says-rgiii-is-done-in-espn-qb-poll/]Anonymous coach says RGIII ‘is done’ in ESPN QB poll - The Washington Post[/url]
“Five, and there’s no coming back,” one offensive coach said of Griffin. “He is done. The reason why is, the injury slowed his legs, and his ego will not allow him to hit rock bottom and actually grind his way back up the right way.” Another respondent suggested Griffin is delusional and lacks humility. “Griffin sees himself like Peyton [Manning], in that light,” a personnel director said. “When he looks in the mirror, he is seeing things that everybody else is not seeing. That is why I was surprised when they gave him the fifth-year [option] and said it was an easy decision.” ----------------------------- kinda how i see it. RG3 needs to accept coaching and instructions. all those stories you heard of how defiant he is, even in practice is just mind boggling. only in DC ..... who knows, maybe RG3 will be more open minded this season and gruden can figure out an offense to mask his weaknesses .. like knowing protections and play calls and assignments and 101 stuff. |
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[quote=over the mountain;1115104]kinda how i see it. RG3 needs to accept coaching and instructions. all those stories you heard of how defiant he is, even in practice is just mind boggling.
only in DC ..... who knows, maybe RG3 will be more open minded this season and gruden can figure out an offense to mask his weaknesses .. like knowing protections and play calls and assignments and 101 stuff.[/quote] I agree. I'm not as optimistic because of what I mentioned below. I hope that I'm 100% wrong though but it's not how I see it playing out. [quote] Another respondent suggested Griffin is delusional and lacks humility. “Griffin sees himself like Peyton [Manning], in that light,” a personnel director said. “When he looks in the mirror, he is seeing things that everybody else is not seeing. That is why I was surprised when they gave him the fifth-year [option] and said it was an easy decision.”[/quote] [quote]and his ego will not allow him to hit rock bottom and actually grind his way back up the right way.”[/quote] These guys are spot on in my opinion. RGIII's biggest downfall is his ego. He lacks the humility to become the talented force he could be. It's such a shame to see talent be ruined by ego. It happens all too often in the sport though. This is a prime example. The latest interview with Larry, RGIII tries to squash the notion he can't read NFL defenses based on the 2012 season. [quote]“So we’ve got to get away from this reading defenses stuff, man,” Griffin concluded. “[U]If you can’t read defenses, you can’t play in the NFL. So obviously 2012 proved that we can do that, and I can do that.[/U]”[/quote] This is purely ego driven because he would know that was a zone read sort of offense that spurred that season on. You know, the kind of offense that has a one read and go. That's not reading a NFL defense from a QB standpoint. To think so is laughable. I simply don't see Robert making that next step because I don't think his ego will allow him to do it. It's hard to tell an individual something who already thinks he's got it all covered. Mike tried too and so has Jay Gruden. |
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It is now or never as really RGIII must overcome his injuries and ego to really be the franchise QB the team drafted him to be.
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I'd love to be wrong, but I just see too many missing fundamentals for him to be great. amazing OL play could cover some of his biggest weaknesses, but unless he can use that time to improve (a LOT) it'd just be more smoke and mirrors.
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If he's smart he'll put his ego aside, wasn't he humilated enough last year? I place my bet on RGIII pulling a rabbit out of his ass and having a turnaround this season.
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....“Griffin sees himself like Peyton [Manning], in that light,” a personnel director said....
Thanks Vinny. Seriously, I want my team's QB to have that confidence when he looks in the mirror. Honestly, I even want the back up QB feeling that way. I hope the kid tears it up this year, God knows he's been put thru enough. |
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[quote=Bangee7;1115111]....“Griffin sees himself like Peyton [Manning], in that light,” a personnel director said....
Thanks Vinny. Seriously, I want my team's QB to have that confidence when he looks in the mirror. Honestly, I even want the back up QB feeling that way. I hope the kid tears it up this year, God knows he's been put thru enough.[/quote] There's a thin line between confidence and arrogance. RG3 has been a train wreck except for his rookie year with an offense that took the requirement to read a defense away and had him rely on his legs. He wasn't even smart enough to slide in that offense. I hope I'm wrong. I'd love for him to turn into a franchise QB. Between his fragility and his ego - I don't see it being possible. Every time he gets hit, which is a lot, I don't think he'll get back up. |
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What is really telling to me is the part in the Post article where Andy Benoit talks about RG having no sense of basic QBing fundamentals and he has leaps and bounds to go to be an average QB. The sad part is that he's right. Its not like all of a sudden RG is going to light it up this year and look like the second coming of Steve Young, he needs to look like he can actually play QB in the NFL. At this point in his career I think the best that can be expected of RG is that he can develop into a serviceable NFL QB who wont make mistakes and cost his team the game.
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great Keim article as always
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/18295/rg-iii-receives-low-ranking-from-league-executives-coaches]Washington Redskins' RG III gets low ranking from NFL execs, coaches - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url] It is put up or shut up time for RGIII |
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[quote=mredskins;1115135]great Keim article as always
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/18295/rg-iii-receives-low-ranking-from-league-executives-coaches]Washington Redskins' RG III gets low ranking from NFL execs, coaches - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url] It is put up or shut up time for RGIII[/quote] like i said, if its slow start to camp and beginning of season, I want him on the bench immediately so he doesnt get hurt for contract guarenttee. If he fails this year, biggest bust all time Redskins history. |
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I think you give Griffin all of camp and the first four weeks. If it's more of the same then put in KC and give him the rest of the season. We can't have another season where the QB is limited when it comes to the playbook, and all the dink and dunk stuff. I know it's a re-build but you still have to try and win games. You still have to try and get the ball to your playmakers.
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This is a prime example. The latest interview with Larry, RGIII tries to squash the notion he can't read NFL defenses based on the 2012 season. [/quote] i agree NC. i couldnt find that interview but did find one w our new QB coach Cavanaugh. He comments on the basics of QB play .. “Trusting the route, trusting the protection, trusting your footwork,” Cavanaugh said. “I mean, it’s that simple. We always say that you throw with your feet to stay in rhythm. So if you say that I took the proper drop, I took one hitch and No. 1 wasn’t open, I’ve got to get off him. I can’t wait. I can’t wait thinking he might come open if I just hold onto the ball a little bit longer, because then you’re going to be late going to No. 2 and No. 3. And that’s typically a progression read. But your feet’ll tell you if No. 1’s open.” [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/02/10/larry-michael-wont-ask-matt-cavanaugh-questions-about-rgiii/]Larry Michael won’t ask Matt Cavanaugh questions about RGIII - The Washington Post[/url] its a good read, kinda funny the writer called out homer larry michael as well. its his job, i get it, i dont hate larry for it, i almost admirer his ability to keep a straight face while trying to appear objective |
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[quote=Daseal;1115112]There's a thin line between confidence and arrogance. RG3 has been a train wreck except for his rookie year with an offense that took the requirement to read a defense away and had him rely on his legs. He wasn't even smart enough to slide in that offense.
I hope I'm wrong. I'd love for him to turn into a franchise QB. Between his fragility and his ego - I don't see it being possible. Every time he gets hit, which is a lot, I don't think he'll get back up.[/quote] That pretty much sums it up. Good post. I think we will know pretty quickly if RGIII is going to buy into the system/coaching or will he be the arrogant, petulant child that gives up on the called play and takes off running. When things do not go as planned in a game, as they always do for every Qb, how will he handle it? That will tell us if he has any chance of a future in the NFL as as a starter either with us or possibly with another team. I want to him to be great...with us. It will be an uphill battle. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1115137]like i said, if its slow start to camp and beginning of season, I want him on the bench immediately so he doesnt get hurt for contract guarenttee. If he fails this year, biggest bust all time Redskins history.[/quote]
I think Heath Shuler is a much bigger bust in terms of Redskins history. That said,the RGIII trade will go down as the worst ever in NFL history should he turn out to be a bust. [quote=skinsfan69;1115144]I think you give Griffin all of camp and the first four weeks. If it's more of the same then put in KC and give him the rest of the season. We can't have another season where the QB is limited when it comes to the playbook, and all the dink and dunk stuff. I know it's a re-build but you still have to try and win games. You still have to try and get the ball to your playmakers.[/quote] There is no way you can give him four weeks. Gruden's job depends on us doing well or he's out of here. If he shits the bed in training camp, you start Kirk Cousins. Even if he does start Robert for game 1, you can't go more than 2 weeks of bad play before you yank him. |
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Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.
If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there. |
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There seems to be more internal politics involved in the QB position this season and we have a new GM, so I doubt that Jay has the authority to make any significant decisions regarding RGIII on his own. With that in mind, I can't imagine RGIII losing his starting position before Game 5 regardless of how poorly he plays.
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[quote=30gut;1115158]Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.
If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there.[/quote] thats an interesting take 30. You are not the only one that feels that way. I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy". i guess the counter argument is that through practice, film study etc, jay doesnt think RG3 can handle the same play calling .. that RG3 needs first read only looks and cant handle going through multiple progressions or being asked to read both sides of the field etc ... should Counsins and RG3 have the same playcalling? identical or just some wrinkles specific to what each player does well? i personally think like the seeming majority here, RG3 just doesnt have the fundamentals of pocket passing to execute a pocket passing/timing offense ....... but im starting to think maybe he should be forced to run the same play calling and see what happens. or jay has called the same plays in certain games and RG3 just didnt excel .. he has had some dud games. |
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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1115163]There seems to be more internal politics involved in the QB position this season and we have a new GM, so I doubt that Jay has the authority to make any significant decisions regarding RGIII on his own. With that in mind, I can't imagine RGIII losing his starting position before Game 5 regardless of how poorly he plays.[/quote]
I don't imagine RG3 losing his job regardless no matter how poorly he plays. He's a Dan Snyder guy and a figurehead GM isn't going to change anybody's perception of that. We are long time fans here. No delusions of who is running the team, etc.... |
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[quote=over the mountain;1115165]thats an interesting take 30. You are not the only one that feels that way. I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".
i guess the counter argument is that through practice, film study etc, jay doesnt think RG3 can handle the same play calling .. that RG3 needs first read only looks and cant handle going through multiple progressions or being asked to read both sides of the field etc ... should Counsins and RG3 have the same playcalling? identical or just some wrinkles specific to what each player does well? i personally think like the seeming majority here, RG3 just doesnt have the fundamentals of pocket passing to execute a pocket passing/timing offense ....... but im starting to think maybe he should be forced to run the same play calling and see what happens. or jay has called the same plays in certain games and RG3 just didnt excel .. he has had some dud games.[/quote] There is no way in the world that he should be calling the same plays. If so, that means we need a new OC (or in this case... HC). Would anyone in their right mind call the same plays for Micheal Vick that they would call for Tom Brady (not saying we have a QB of that caliber, just an example)? A play caller needs to understand the strengths of who he is calling the game for, otherwise they are a terrible play caller. If RG3 cant succeed based on an offense that is being called to his strengths, move on to Cousins or McCoy. But dont dare call the same plays regardless, that just means you cant figure out someone strengths or weaknesses, which means you shouldnt have that job in the first place. |
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[quote=skinsfan69;1115144]I think you give Griffin all of camp and the first four weeks. If it's more of the same then put in KC and give him the rest of the season. We can't have another season where the QB is limited when it comes to the playbook, and all the dink and dunk stuff. I know it's a re-build but you still have to try and win games. You still have to try and get the ball to your playmakers.[/quote]
I think that is fair. If he doesn't start to show marked progress after 4 games, then we should look at other options. |
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[QUOTE=30gut;1115158]Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.
If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there.[/QUOTE Its not a matter of time, Jay already wants someone else in there. But like Solid Snake said, RG is Snyder's guy so Jay's hands are tied. |
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I hope the talk of being Dan Snyder's guy is just more of the same from the fans. I think SM thinks it's his team, and if he wants a guy gone, he will be gone. If the coach says he needs someone else, he'll get someone else.
I don't know if that is the way it is, but that's the only way this franchise will move forward. I also think fans hold on to outdated beliefs about ownership way too fervently. |
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[quote=irish;1115210]Its not a matter of time, Jay already wants someone else in there. But like Solid Snake said, RG is Snyder's guy [B]so Jay's hands are tied[/B].[/quote]
I just don't believe that is true anymore. Quite frankly, I think that (1) As of now, RGIII is still DS's guy; (2) If RGIII had had full seasons and off seasons up to this point and was still benched at the end of the year, he would no longer be DS's guy; (3) Given the particular facts of his acquisition, his career to date (including his 2012 season, his injuries & the coaching changes), and his athleticism & physical talents, RGIII has been given the benefit of doubt by DS and others [I]up till now[/I]; and (4) RGIII will not be DS's guy to the tune of his 5th year extension [I]unless he shows real improvement this year.[/I] |
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Bingo!
And at this point in the game, I would have done the same........ |
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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1115163]There seems to be more internal politics involved in the QB position this season and we have a new GM, so I doubt that Jay has the authority to make any significant decisions regarding RGIII on his own. With that in mind, I can't imagine RGIII losing his starting position before Game 5 regardless of how poorly he plays.[/quote]I don't understand why the notion persists that Dan Snyder is actively meddling in the game time personnel decisions when it comes to Griffin.
When Dan and Mike Shanahan were clearly at odds Dan did not prevent Mike from benching Griffin. Last season Dan didn't prevent Jay from benching him either. The only internal politics about the QB position that I can see are the current HC never appeared to be willing/eager to work with the potential franchise QB he inherited. Jay imho expressed a rather curious amount of impatience and made no bones his feeling toward Griffin during the season. Jay's level of faith in Griffin is imho the biggest hurdle to Griffin's ability to max out his potential with Jay as his playcaller. This season will answer many questions for me, the main question being whether a player/QB can have success with a HC/OC/playcaller that doesn't believe/want them. |
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[quote=over the mountain;1115165]...I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".[/quote]You raise an interesting question and i'm always down to discuss tangents, even if they aren't my topic. So I agree with you that Jay shouldn't call the same plays for Griffin as he does for Colt/Kirk.
There are several differences between those QBs and a smart OC/playcaller/gameplanner should mold their plans around a given QBs specific skillset. So sure there are some play concepts that are universal. But the plans should cater specifically to mobility, arm strength, ability to read the field, ability to consistently execute rhythm drop back passing concepts. Colt and Kirk are more experienced in a rhythm drop back passing game. Griffin has greater arm strength and mobility. To speak in general terms one would think a 'Griffin' gameplan would be similar to a Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Alex Smith, Chip Kelly style gameplan and Kirk/Colt gameplan could be more traditional drop back WCO ala Andy Dalton or Ryan Fitzmagic etc. |
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[quote=30gut;1115220]I don't understand why the notion persists that Dan Snyder is actively meddling in the game time personnel decisions when it comes to Griffin.
Last season Dan didn't prevent Jay from benching him either.[/quote] The fact that Jay wanted to start Kirk Cousins at the beginning of last season is all you need to know that Dan Snyder does have a hand in these types of things. Sure he was allowed to bench him after Gruden made it obvious to them via game film that he was clueless back there. |
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i don't think rg3 is failing due to jay's lack of faith, i think he's failing because he can't feel the rush or read defenses well enough to be successful.
if you're getting the reps and the game time, you got to produce at some point. If you can't deal with the pressure, well, that's a personal problem. no one is actively rooting for him to fail - they all want to win games, but he's been the bottleneck lately. |
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[quote=Skinzman;1115194]There is no way in the world that he should be calling the same plays. If so, that means we need a new OC (or in this case... HC). Would anyone in their right mind call the same plays for Micheal Vick that they would call for Tom Brady (not saying we have a QB of that caliber, just an example)?
A play caller needs to understand the strengths of who he is calling the game for, otherwise they are a terrible play caller. If RG3 cant succeed based on an offense that is being called to his strengths, move on to Cousins or McCoy. But dont dare call the same plays regardless, that just means you cant figure out someone strengths or weaknesses, which means you shouldnt have that job in the first place.[/quote] I agree 100% |
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[quote=JoeRedskin;1115218]I just don't believe that is true anymore.
Quite frankly, I think that (1) As of now, RGIII is still DS's guy; (2) If RGIII had had full seasons and off seasons up to this point and was still benched at the end of the year, he would no longer be DS's guy; (3) Given the particular facts of his acquisition, his career to date (including his 2012 season, his injuries & the coaching changes), and his athleticism & physical talents, RGIII has been given the benefit of doubt by DS and others [I]up till now[/I]; and (4) RGIII will not be DS's guy to the tune of his 5th year extension [I]unless he shows real improvement this year.[/I][/quote] I do. !) Agree. 2)Who knows since RG didnt play. Also see NC Skins response. 3) You dont give up the world for a guy and not give him every benefit of the doubt. The Skins are doing what any team would. 4) Time will tell. |
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[quote=30gut;1115220]I don't understand why the notion persists that Dan Snyder is actively meddling in the game time personnel decisions when it comes to Griffin.
When Dan and Mike Shanahan were clearly at odds Dan did not prevent Mike from benching Griffin. Last season Dan didn't prevent Jay from benching him either. [B]The only internal politics about the QB position that I can see are the current HC never appeared to be willing/eager to work with the potential franchise QB he inherited. Jay imho expressed a rather curious amount of impatience and made no bones his feeling toward Griffin during the season. [/B]Jay's level of faith in Griffin is imho the biggest hurdle to Griffin's ability to max out his potential with Jay as his playcaller. This season will answer many questions for me, the main question being whether a player/QB can have success with a HC/OC/playcaller that doesn't believe/want them.[/quote] Regarding the bolded part of your comments: I also found that to be odd behavior by Jay. I have to believe that one of the key reasons Jay was hired was to develop RGIII and Kirk, yet he showed little patience with either one of them. If he was called on the carpet for that, then he deserved it. The point I was trying to make is that I think higher management is holding Jay's feet to the fire in terms of his making a better effort to develop RGIII. If that is the case, then RGIII can't develop on the bench. That would mean that RGIII should have a longer leash this season, not a shorter one. That's why I think he gets at least four games to start the season. |
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