Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

When Jay Gruden was hired he inherited Robert Griffin and Kirk Cousins. Together with Bruce Allen they signed Colt McCoy as a free agent. Typically speaking new HCs at some point early in their tenure draft a fresh QB to mold specifically in their system. Jay has not been given a QB to mold.

We all want Robert or Kirk or Colt or some QB to step up and take the reigns and be a viable starting QB. But we all have to admit that there is a chance that none of them has the goods. And looking ahead none of the QBs are under contract for 2016. For all intents and purposes as it sits right now we don't have a QB going forward past this season.

On the flip side the FO drafted a RB in the 3rd round. The word is that Jones is here to spell Morris and possibly be a 3rd down back. But he's also considered by many to either be the heir apparent or insurance against Alfred Morris if for some reason we don't bring him back in 2016.

So on one hand we have a position of strength in RB being bolstered heading into 2016 and beyond yet at arguably the most important position on the team we didn't select a QB developmental or otherwise anywhere in the draft.


My question:

[B][U]Was not selecting a QB anywhere in the 2015 draft a mistake?[/U][/B]

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Build it ......and he will come

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[quote=30gut;1113730]When Jay Gruden was hired he inherited Robert Griffin and Kirk Cousins. Together with Bruce Allen they signed Colt McCoy as a free agent. Typically speaking new HCs at some point early in their tenure draft a fresh QB to mold specifically in their system. Jay has not been given a QB to mold.

We all want Robert or Kirk or Colt or some QB to step up and take the reigns and be a viable starting QB. But we all have to admit that there is a chance that none of them has the goods. And looking ahead none of the QBs are under contract for 2016. For all intents and purposes as it sits right now we don't have a QB going forward past this season.

On the flip side the FO drafted a RB in the 3rd round. The word is that Jones is here to spell Morris and possibly be a 3rd down back. But he's also considered by many to either be the heir apparent or insurance against Alfred Morris if for some reason we don't bring him back in 2016.

So on one hand we have a position of strength in RB being bolstered heading into 2016 and beyond yet at arguably the most important position on the team we didn't select a QB developmental or otherwise anywhere in the draft.


My question:

[B][U]Was not selecting a QB anywhere in the 2015 draft a mistake?[/U][/B][/quote]

The premise of your question is problematic.

We have QB issues so of course not drafting a generic QB seems like a mistake.

The question is problematic because there is no such thing as a generic QB. Picks are made from actual QBs with actual scouting reports.

A better way to frame the question would be to ask: Was it a mistake not to draft _________ with our ____ round pick?

Which QB do you think we should have taken and where should we have taken him?

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I think McCloughan thought highly of Halliday but he flaked.

I'd rather see us establish the trenches a bit so that no matter what QB we use he'll have a fighting chance.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113734]I think McCloughan thought highly of Halliday but he flaked.

I'd rather see us establish the trenches a bit so that no matter what QB we use he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]

I agree 100%.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113733]The premise of your question is problematic.[/quote]Well its a question not a premise.

[quote]We have QB issues so of course not drafting a generic QB seems like a mistake.[/quote]That's all I was asking. Its not as obvious as you think considering it hasn't been discussed in a media market that threshes through all things Redskins.

[quote]Which QB do you think we should have taken and where should we have taken him?[/quote]Interesting question. if I was drafting in a vacuum the quarterbacks I would choose would be different then the quarterbacks I would choose specifically drafting for J. But pre-draft I tried to discuss the QB prospects in some of the draft threads with no takers. All besides the point.....the Redskins had a chance to draft any QB they wanted save for the top 2.

Which QBs did you like ? (if you liked any)

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I dont think its a mistake.
You gotta go with a hopefully healthy Griffin for one more full year.
The rest of the team should be improved more than a little, that should have a positive affect.
We have a bunch of new coaches also, especially a quarterback coach.
If Griffin improves then its a non issue.
Besides, the June cuts could yield us a dev QB to pick up.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113734]I think McCloughan thought highly of Halliday but he flaked.

I'd rather see us establish the trenches a bit so that no matter what QB we use he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]

This is the same philosophy I agree with. The Skins have tried getting a QB first, giving him nothing to work with, he flames out and starts the process all over again.

Build a good overall team then the QB doesn't has to put more on his plate than he can handle. Developing at a natural pace and really learning his craft.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113734]I think McCloughan thought highly of Halliday but he flaked.

I'd rather see us establish the trenches a bit so that no matter what QB we use he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]

Yup. Look at Flacco. Mediocre QB who has time to make a sandwich (potentially grill it) before he throws the ball.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113734]I think McCloughan thought highly of Halliday but he flaked.

I'd rather see us establish the trenches a bit so that no matter what QB we use he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]Drafting a QB somewhere within our ten 2015 doesn't mean the FO can't also 'establish the trenches'.

If they thought highly of Halliday, an UDFA, as Jay's developmental QB isn't it even more of mistake to pass on other QBs for a prospect who didn't love the game enough to stick around for the 1st rookie camp?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1113739]I dont think its a mistake.
You gotta go with a hopefully healthy Griffin for one more full year.
The rest of the team should be improved more than a little, that should have a positive affect.
We have a bunch of new coaches also, especially a quarterback coach.
If Griffin improves then its a non issue.
Besides, the June cuts could yield us a dev QB to pick up.[/quote]This sounds like you are banking on the current QBs to have success; which is fine. Its actually what I hope for. But is planning around based on the best case scenario a mistake? If none of the QBs takes the reigns we're gonna start again all over with a new QB with a HC on his third year or tear it all down with new staff and new QBs.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113734]I think McCloughan thought highly of Halliday but he flaked.

I'd rather see us establish the trenches a bit so that no matter what QB we use he'll have a fighting chance.[/quote]

Well said, IMO games are won in the trenches.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1113739]I dont think its a mistake.
You gotta go with a hopefully healthy Griffin for one more full year.
The rest of the team should be improved more than a little, that should have a positive affect.
We have a bunch of new coaches also, especially a quarterback coach.
If Griffin improves then its a non issue.
Besides, the June cuts could yield us a dev QB to pick up.[/quote]

Yeah that's how I see it.

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[quote=30gut;1113745]Drafting a QB somewhere within our ten 2015 doesn't mean the FO can't also 'establish the trenches'.

If they thought highly of Halliday, an UDFA, as Jay's developmental QB isn't it even more of mistake to pass on other QBs for a prospect who didn't love the game enough to stick around for the 1st rookie camp?[/quote]

No one knew Haliday was going to take a permanent Holiday before the first rookie camp.

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[quote=30gut;1113745]Drafting a QB somewhere within our ten 2015 doesn't mean the FO can't also 'establish the trenches'.

If they thought highly of Halliday, an UDFA, as Jay's developmental QB isn't it even more of mistake to pass on other QBs for a prospect who didn't love the game enough to stick around for the 1st rookie camp?[/quote]

It's hard for me to think of it as MORE of a mistake when no draft pick was wasted.

Your question is a good one but it's just impossible to answer now. If one of our three current QBs really establishes himself this year (hopefully Griffin), then it won't be a mistake.

If they don't then we could have this discussion, it would only be a mistake if the QBs we passed on in 2015 end up looking good. Like if Petty or Hundley tear it up then yeah we will kick ourselves.

It's just too early to say. But as of right now I am a fan of our draft, we needed an attitude adjustment in the form of big nasty players to help establish an identity of toughness. I liked that every pick had toughness and competitiveness in common. At this point in time I'll take that over the (false?) hope that a new QB provides.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113754]It's hard for me to think of it as MORE of a mistake when no draft pick was wasted.

Your question is a good one but it's just impossible to answer now. If one of our three current QBs really establishes himself this year (hopefully Griffin), then it won't be a mistake.

If they don't then we could have this discussion, it would only be a mistake if the QBs we passed on in 2015 end up looking good. Like if Petty or Hundley tear it up then yeah we will kick ourselves.

It's just too early to say. But as of right now I am a fan of our draft, we needed an attitude adjustment in the form of big nasty players to help establish an identity of toughness. I liked that every pick had toughness and competitiveness in common. At this point in time I'll take that over the (false?) hope that a new QB provides.[/quote]We can certainly opine on whether or not it was mistake to pass on QB. Just like you can opine that we should build the trenches. We don't have to wait to know the outcome to assess whether or not we think the plan is right.

Not having a contingency plan at QB going forward sure seems like a mistake with the state of our current QB group. Then when you add the fact that none of our QBs are under contract (2016) it sure seems like putting all our eggs into one basket.

Just as many praise the Matt Jones pick for its foresight at tge RB position why shouldn't lack of foresight at arguably the most important position on team be viewed as a mistake?

Around the league other franchise with better current QB situations drafted QBs to groom for the short/long term future. We stood pat and did not draft one. You hsay you think Halliday was their developmental guy but for me it's even more of mistake to target an UDFA as their developmental QB and therefore chose to pass over all the QBs for a prospect that they do not have. Go by your hypothesis it would mean that yes they saw the need for a developmental QB but failed to acquire one they liked.

Talking about what they should have done after the fact is nothing more then second guessing. And to be clear we had a chance to draft any QB from Grayson to Trevor Siemain.

And criticizing one FO decision does not in anyway mean that I'm anything but pleased with the overall direction of the FO.

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Griffin will be fine with this Line

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The best chance to get a great QB is when you pick high. Obviously the team won't be doing well when you are able to do so.

We had a decent line, and a running game that a lot of QBs would have killed for the last couple years. Hardly anyone has 5 studs at OL. We have a HC that did very well as Cincinatti's OC.

We are ready for a good QB. Whether it's Griffin or Cousins that steps up, or we bring in someone else.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1113766]...We are ready for a good QB. Whether it's Griffin or Cousins that steps up, or we bring in someone else.[/quote]Agreed.

What's your take on not drafting a QB?

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I believe that when the line is right, then you spend draft pick(s) on the qb. The more so when you have two potential boom/bust guys already on the roster.

So no, i don't think it was a mistake, regardless of how this year's batch of qb's do.

There will be more qbs available next year.

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[quote=30gut;1113767]Agreed.

What's your take on not drafting a QB?[/quote]In Scot I trust. We have two QBs that might work out. I can only go on what others say about how good the draftees were, that there wasn't a really good prospect out there for us. Glad we got Scherff, whether he plays G or OT.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1113771]In Scot I trust. We have two QBs that might work out. I can only go on what others say about how good the draftees were, that there wasn't a really good prospect out there for us. Glad we got Scherff, whether he plays G or OT.[/quote]In Scot we trust goes without saying.

Sure we have 2 QBs that might work out. But those same 2 QBs might fail and if they fail we start next season back at square one with no QB and quite possibly no HC.

Garrett Grayson was considered by many, including Jay's own brother, as a pro-ready plug and play QB in this system. There were positive comments about all of the QBs. Its easy to say well the QBs weren't good that's why we didn't draft them but we don't know.

What we do know is that we have question marks at our QB spot and no QB signed for the 2016 season not even a development QB. I can't think of why that's not a mistake.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113769]....So no, i don't think it was a mistake, regardless of how this year's batch of qb's do.

There will be more qbs available next year.[/quote]But you can say that about any position: "there will be more _______ available next year."

If both Griffin and Colt fail wouldn't you rather have a QB hand picked by the HC then not? I don't understand the logic that both QB can fail yet NOT having a draft pick QB waiting in the wings is okay.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1113774]But you can say that about any position: "there will be more _______ available next year."

If both Griffin and Colt fail wouldn't you rather have a QB hand picked by the HC then not? I don't understand the logic that both QB can fail yet NOT having a draft pick QB waiting in the wings is okay.[/QUOTE]
Look at Seattle as the basic concept. They spent the first two years I believe strengthening their team before investing in matt Flynn and Russell Wilson.

Or from another perspective, any late qb would start at best as 3rd string with very little chance to play. Every draft pick we took likely has atleast the shot to play ST. A drafted qb would simply be a wasted roster spot/draft pick this season

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[quote=30gut;1113767]Agreed.

What's your take on not drafting a QB?[/quote]

We took best player available, so at anytime in the draft a qb was not a good pick. So I feel fine.

Let's talk this year qb crop, maybe d- on a good day. Wasn't a lot out there.

As someone mentioned before, next year class will most likely be stacked. Maybe 4 first rounders right now...so if this years goes bad, Jay is probably gone and McC will get to chose his coach. With his new coach will get to pick his new qb. I think that's the route this is going if cousins and rg3 don't pan this year.

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I don't think very many coaches were..... Thrilled with any of the qb's in this years draft. Was there any team that really tried to go up and get one?
As has been intimated, fix the line and some other things
Then......

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No. What would have been a mistake is using/wasting a valuable draft pick and reaching for a QB that ends up not making the team. We had too many other basic needs to be worried about a #4 developmental QB that our GM was not high on. This draft was a weak qb class. the world will not implode.

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[quote=Defensewins;1113778]No. What would have been a mistake is using/wasting a valuable draft pick and reaching for a QB that ends up not making the team. We had too many other basic needs to be worried about a #4 developmental QB that our GM was not high on. This draft was a weak qb class. the world will not implode.[/quote]The world is gonna explode?

I think the scenario you laid out above is the definition of a false dichotomy.

Lol so according to you its either we don't draft a QB or ~Scott wastes a pick reaching on a QB he doesn't like that won't make the team.

Well wow we certainly dodged a bullet there, lol.

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[quote=Hog1;1113777]I don't think very many coaches were..... Thrilled with any of the qb's in this years draft. Was there any team that really tried to go up and get one?.[/quote]Like with any prospects in any draft some coaches and scouts will like them and some wont. Only time will tell.

For me its as simple as this:

Would you agree that QB is a position that needed to be addressed?

Was that area addressed?

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[quote=30gut;1113782]Like with any prospects in any draft some coaches and scouts will like them and some wont. Only time will tell.

For me its as simple as this:

Would you agree that QB is a position that needed to be addressed?

Was that area addressed?[/quote]

If McLovin spent two or three picks on QBs to address the issue at QB and none of them make the roster, the QB position would still need to be addressed.

Instead, he invested in guys that have a legit shot at making the roster and immediately contributing on special teams. His picks simultaneously (through BPA) build depth on a very thin team.

I'm in favor of BPA even if it doesn't address an immediate need such as QB.

I don't think it was a mistake if our picks were higher on our draft board than the QBs still available.

I would like to see how the QBs on our roster play with upgraded pass protection combined with running the ball effectively while not playing from behind by two touchdowns.

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[quote=30gut;1113782]Like with any prospects in any draft some coaches and scouts will like them and some wont. Only time will tell.

For me its as simple as this:

Would you agree that QB is a position that needed to be addressed?

Was that area addressed?[/quote]

Not quite so simple for me:
QB needs to be addressed? TBD
Was that area addressed? insufficient info at this time

I personally think like many others the SB winning QB of the Redskins may not be in Burgundy and Gold. Furthermore....regardless of the QB, this team had no hope of real success as it had to many holes in the supporting cast. Still have plenty of holes and upgrades to be done, but it's a start.
I don't really think our guys were impressed at any of the top qb prospects (at least at the top) enough to consider going after one. I cannot disagree with their moves to date as they have filled some holes.......added good depth......upgraded special teams.
As has been stated, our qb's will all look better with the personnel changes we have made.
Fill all the obvious holes you can and see how the remainder looks....

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...So the consensus seems to be that not drafting a QB, despite the need, wasn't a mistake because they all suck?

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[quote=30gut;1113785]...So the consensus seems to be that not drafting a QB, despite the need, wasn't a mistake because they all suck?[/quote]

No. That is not what I think happened. I feel our draft board and ranking of Qb's (in terms of value and where they should be drafted) resulted in us not finding value enough to select one.
So rather than REACHING for a QB, like we reached for OG Josh LeRibeus years ago, what a mistake that was. Our GM decided to stick to his draft board. That is all. No grand mistake or colossal problem as your hoping someone will say. It is not a big deal that we did not spend a draft pick in this draft on a QB.
We can still get one that is cut from another team or get one next draft.

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SM is focused on a long term plan here. With a strong cast around the QB and a good defense you don't have to be so QB dependent to have a winning season, like in 2012.

The QB class was so meh this year, and we had so many other needs to fill as well. I've got no problem with not drafting one.

Halliday was a good developmental plan but obviously his heart wasn't in it.

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One of the many things I find.....exciting about the new regime is the return to the power running game.
BITD...Everybody on the field knew we were going Counter trap. They could not stop it. When they committed the resources to the line to stop it, Art Monk was reeling in a 50 yard strike. I am very excited to see the B & G returning to that type foundation.
BUT....we have to have the horses...SM is with that plan

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[QUOTE=30gut;1113785]...So the consensus seems to be that not drafting a QB, despite the need, wasn't a mistake because they all suck?[/QUOTE]
I think it is more that there were many needs, at many levels of our team. And that at each point where we had a selection to make, the powers that be chose other holes to fill rather than a 3rd string qb with some potential. And most fans are OK with the choices and the track record of the person making the choices.

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[quote=Defensewins;1113786]No. That is not what I think happened. I feel our draft board and ranking of Qb's (in terms of value and where they should be drafted) resulted in us not finding value enough to select one.
So rather than REACHING for a QB, like we reached for OG Josh LeRibeus years ago, what a mistake that was. Our GM decided to stick to his draft board. That is all. No grand mistake or colossal problem as your hoping someone will say. It is not a big deal that we did not spend a draft pick in this draft on a QB.
We can still get one that is cut from another team or get one next draft.[/quote]

So you don't think drafting Jones in the 3rd round wasn't a reach? Rb was already one of the few strengths on the team and Jones doesn't even catch the ball out of the backfield.

I would have kept Helu, very underrated player for us. Then coached up the group up on pass pro and maybe got a qb with that 3rd rounder. Or just someone else that was just a better player.

Love the draft except that 3rd round pick. Sucks that Halliday quit as we now have back the same three stooges at QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113797]So you don't think drafting Jones in the 3rd round wasn't a reach? Rb was already one of the few strengths on the team and Jones doesn't even catch the ball out of the backfield.

I would have kept Helu, very underrated player for us. Then coached up the group up on pass pro and maybe got a qb with that 3rd rounder. Or just someone else that was just a better player.

Love the draft except that 3rd round pick. Sucks that Halliday quit as we now have back the same three stooges at QB.[/quote]

It's not what I think, it is what SM thinks and he valued Jones at that point in the draft. I disagree that RB was a strength, we were a little thin in depth and small at RB. If we are committing to being a power running team we needed another physical RB.
Unlike others, I do not claim to know enough about every college player to know if Jones will be great or not.

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[quote=Defensewins;1113802]It's not what I think, it is what SM thinks and he valued Jones at that point in the draft. I disagree that RB was a strength, we were a little thin in depth and small at RB. If we are committing to being a power running team we needed another physical RB.
[B]Unlike others, I do not claim to know enough about every college player to know if Jones will be great or not[/B].[/quote]
WTF?....and you call yourself a Redskin fan...shame on you

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Don't know too much about Jones, but all the so called experts said he could have been there later on the draft. If he becomes a complete back, or like Lynch then that's an upgrade over Morris.