Drafting Hurricanes makes your team better
 

The four most recent mock drafts ive read all have the Redskins drafting a DT or DE which would be a huge mistake for the Redskins. We need to draft Taylor or Winslow because players from Miami have a proven track record of making a team better.

Year after year former Canes players have battled for rookie of the year, and player of the year honors. I promise this is no coincidence.

Im new to The Warpath but I wanted to start this thread for people to post questions about Tayor and Winslow. I saw them play in everygame last year and will hopefully be able to supply some new insight into them. I was anwsering some questions about them in random threads so I thought id start one to make it easier.

As a PSU fan it kind of hurts to admit that we need to take a Miami player with our pick. I agree with taking Taylor, he is going to be insane, but I would say take another 'cane by the name of Vince Wilfork would be a better choice for us than Winslow. I just have a feeling he could be the next Warren Sapp maybe even better.

I grew up with Zach Mills, PSU's QB, and Joe Paterno seemingly was at my HS everymonth so ive always been a Penn State fan. Wilfork will probably be a good player but he had a lot of help at UM. The canes had so much depth at D-line that we had shifts of linemen that rotated in so everyone was fresh. He has lost some weight and might be a good player in the future but wont have any where near the impact that Taylor or Winslow will have. I hate to say it but im hesitate about UM linemen becuase we have had so much talent the rotations are what make them look better, sinec they are fresh. Our entire line was drafted last year, three by the eagles and Giants and none of them did much last year yet all were studs in college.

Have the Redskins ever drafted a player out of Miami?

[QUOTE=PeteyPablo]Have the Redskins ever drafted a player out of Miami?[/QUOTE]

1997: LB Twan Russell in Round 5
1995: RB Larry Jones in Round 4

They've had some Canes but always made the mistake of not drafting them. A lot of people thought they should have drafted Sapp. Everynow and again they will pick up a Cane (Armstead and Portis)

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SkinsnCanes, I've got a few questions

1. How good a blocker is Winslow?

2. How good a tackler is Taylor? I don't mean hard hits, I mean actually wrap your arms around the guy tackling

3. If we draft Winslow he doesn't really expect to get #81 does he?

4. Ditto Sean Taylor with #26

5. Who would you pick?

Winslow is a complete player, he'll pancake a linebacker. He went a few games where he had minimal if any stats, but made a big impact drawing people to him and downfield blocking. And since Brock Berlin is a bum ive seen Winslow make a bunch of tackles after a pick. Yes you asked about Taylors tackling but unfortunately ive seen Winslow make a bunch of tackles. As far as Taylor, draft him, draft him draft him. Winslow would make our offense unstopable with all our other weopons, but Taylor alone changes a teams offensive strategy. VT threw less that five passes against Miami because of him. I wouldnt doubt if Taylor put up as many points as our offensive did last year. He has a natural instict for the ball, hes in on everyplay. Everyone sees Lavar running down the ball on everyplay, it would be two of them if we get Taylor, the defense would instincting become a force.

As far as the numbers, Winslow would probably take 81. Hed ask but probably doesnt care who had it before him he wants to make his own legacy. Theres no way Taylor will get 26 though.

I have felt all along that taylor is the best player in this draft, with that said winslow didn't impress me in miami's bowl game this year, was it an inability of the offense to get him the ball? Or is he containable? IF the answer is the latter then I think each should be able to impact thier side of the ball fairley equally which is really saying a lot, IMO 2 players on the same team who played together for 3 year's who could possibly when thier carreer's are over be considered all time great's, I love taylor in fact I believe I was the first one here to really start lobbying hard for him { not that skin's management is listening to me :laughing- ] but if winslow is unstoppable it would make you think twice as to who would be more valuable in the long haul? a TE who can move the chain's at will or a saftey who is everywhere? tough decision, what do think about that SC?

I want them both =(

Isn't that game where VT threw only 5 passes also where VT and Kevin Jones ran all over you?

If we draft winslow and he wants #81... cut him, haha. Seriously though, theres NO WAY we should give him #81, unless Art Monk himself presented him the number.

SkinsnCanes thanks for offering up your Hurricanes insight!

I can't argue with the fact that Miami players are usually impact type players. Looks like the Skins are in line for one of them, I'm leaning more towards Taylor at this point but after reading Joe's minicamp reports it's becoming obvious that Winslow might be just what Gibbs needs at the H-back. Either way I think we're in a win-win situation.

Taylor could be the next Ronnie Lott, and Winslow could complete what would appear to be on paper, the most dynamic offense Gibbs has ever coached.

As far as Winslow wanting #81, that's not gonna happen.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]As far as Taylor, draft him, draft him draft him. Winslow would make our offense unstopable with all our other weopons, but Taylor alone changes a teams offensive strategy. VT threw less that five passes against Miami because of him. I wouldnt doubt if Taylor put up as many points as our offensive did last year. He has a natural instict for the ball, hes in on everyplay. Everyone sees Lavar running down the ball on everyplay, it would be two of them if we get Taylor, the defense would instincting become a force.
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SKINSnCanes
I knew there was a reason I liked your initial post on this thread and read the rest of them. We both agree Sean Taylor is a diffrence maker. I would be happy if we drafted Winslow, but I think that would be a luxory pick (just like T. Jacobs was last year) given our needs on defense. Other teams will lick their chops if we line up Iffy and Bowens at safety, our current saftey's are not good. Free Safety is a thinking man's positon. Iffy and Bowen don't fill that requirement.
I am not sure there is another defensive player in this draft that can have as much of an impact to our defense (and team) as Taylor. I say this because of our extreme need at this position and his obvious talent.

I dont' know who we are going to end up getting, I saw a rumor that we dealt FB Byran Johnson to the Bears for their 5th round pick. So that would leave the H - back position wide open if we draft Winslow. Taylor will make the overall defense beter and he would make me feel better about losing champ. Lose a premiere cb and gain a premiere safety. now that trotter will also be leaving i hope we are able to get Holdman in free agentcy :thumb: .

Winslow lead the Canes in receptions and had a horrible quarterback. He was one of the Heisman favorites until everyone saw how horrible the Canes QB was. The Canes would have lost more games if it wasnt for him, theres a highlight of him leaping over a player and making a one handed catch on fourth down on a drive that lead to a win. They are both studs, but I agree that he woudl be a luxury.

Jones did not run all over the Canes in the game that they threw five passes, it was the year before. What VT did was bring in Vicks younger brother to play QB just for that one game, and he did all the running. When Miami played FSU, Sean Taylor won that game. Both becuase he scored, and because of all hes key picks. I think he had three that game, but they made fun of him becuase he could have had over six because of the plays he made put deflected the ball instead.

Boy I would love it if we could dump some pick's next year and get both, WOW! we would be something with both of them on either side of the ball.

it would be an amazing thing to have both of them. Id like to think we will do well next year where we could get rid of our pick for next year to get both, but i dont see it happening

You know how depressing it would be if we ended up drafting T. Harris with teh 5th pick.... Im glad we traded B. Johnson because it at minimum give me more hope that we will draft either Winslow or Taylor

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]it would be an amazing thing to have both of them. Id like to think we will do well next year where we could get rid of our pick for next year to get both, but i dont see it happening[/QUOTE]

ARE you kidding me? we are going to hammer team's next year, playoff's at the very least, besides if we obtain what we need this year we won't have need's next year, I say grab the talent why it's there, you know there are times in the draft when you really can't find an impact player, this year is loaded with them, I say strike while the iron is hot, next year we may not need pick's.

If its possible I hope we do

I think a team would bite if we gave them Trotter, Gardner and next year's first. Maybe 1st and 4th or something of the sort. But a team that has a lot of holes to fill get's two good veterans and an extra first next year. I think we need to have another pick at the browns spot or higher to guarantee both Winslow and Taylor.

I dont see there being anyway to get both of them without creating more holes. Teams wouldnt take a first next year and give up a top then pick this year. Nothing says they will get such a high pick in nexts years draft, id like to think the Skins wont have a top five pick next year.

Anyone know where it says that Winslow wants the Postons as his agent?

I am curious where people have been coming up with these far fetched trade scenarios? Gardner for a 1st or 2nd round pick? Trotter for anything?

David Boston and Terrell Owens recently were traded for peanuts. Boston and T.O. are twice the talent of Gardner and Trotter.
There is no way Gardner or Trotter or the combination of both and next years 1st round pick will get us the 4th or 6th pick this year.
High draft picks this year are more value-able because of the high number of talented players coming out this year. This is an unusual year because the player picked 6th is as talented as the player picked 1st. The talent level between the 1st and 6th this year will be very little. Next year most likely won't be this way.

It's just wishful thinking ... it ain't gonna happen. But if Gibbs can restock our draft with fourth, fifth, sixth round picks be trading a few guys that aren't in our plans anymore, I think that's great and I'm sure there will be some talent at those slots.

T.O, Boston, Dillon all have a ton of baggage and teams dont want to risk taking them. But getting much for Trotter and Gardner is still wishful thinking

We couldnt get a 6th pick in the draft for Bailey, much less them... Of course we had a few first four picks offered for Ramsey, its all about what teams need. The draft has a ton of extremely talented players, but its not that deep at a lot of positions

[quote]We couldnt get a 6th pick in the draft for Bailey[/quote]

We couldn't get the 6th because the Lions have too many holes to fill. If they were to get Trotter, Gardner, and Trung or Betts I think they might bite. Plus a 1st and 3rd or 4th next year? That will help them fill A LOT of holes. I don't know how reworked contracts, etc might work, but I think teams that have a lot of needs might bite. Sure, they get a few players this year, but they also get two more next year in the draft.

I think it is very far fetched, but I could also see a team like Atlanta, Detroit, or Cleveland taking it. Trotter, Gardner, Trung or Betts plus a 1st and 3rd next year. I'm sure that's worth 1 pick this year. IF they're looking to trade down, I don't think they'll find a better deal.

We'll have to see first is Gardner is expendable... im not quite conviced yet that he is. thats a lot of players to give up but we could afford to lose all of them. Id be nice to fill all of a teams needs and pick up that pick.

They are all players that have been either replaced or we're planning on replacing soon. I really think Taylor Jacobs will be special. Let him get some play time!

I agree give Taylor jacobs some playing time, but before we unload Gardner.
Taylor Jacobs could be another Ladell Betts, constantly getting hurt. He looks good early every year in informal shorts and helmets, non-contact drills.
But when the hitting started EARLY last season, we lost him for almost the entire year. He needs to prove he can stay healthy and be a consistent contibuter, before we unload Gardner for peanuts.
Another reason I don't like the idea of unloading Gardner is Cerrato/Snyder have proven year after year they can not find starting talent after the third round.
What good is a 3rd to 5th round pick for Gardner if we can't find a starting caliber player in the draft with that pick? We would basically give Gardner away for nothing if the player selected with that pick does not pan out

Jacob's injury last year really was a freak thing. It wasn't due to a lack of conditioning or toughness like some suspect might be the case with Betts.

Still, I hear your point. I too am not very impressed with camp heroes, let's see it on the field when the bullets are live.

Until Gardner demands a big paycheck theres no point in getting rid of him, hes not hurting our team... Next year if he wants big money then we'll put a tag on him.. Hopefully a year with Gibbs will help us the Skins from having to keep paying top dollar