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All good points by Keim.

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Bruh, I'm checking out for the season I'm done. When people argue for Colt McCoy over RG3, it's obvious we need a new coach.

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Our defense finally gets some turnovers, and we can't capitalize. Really disappointing.

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[quote=SirLK26;1095735]Our defense finally gets some turnovers, and we can't capitalize. Really disappointing.[/quote]

Not only can we not capitalize. We go 3 and out..lol

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095734]Bruh, I'm checking out for the season I'm done. When people argue for Colt McCoy over RG3, it's obvious we need a new coach.[/quote]

We're sure gonna miss the pessimistic comments.

Bye.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095734]Bruh, I'm checking out for the season I'm done. When people argue for Colt McCoy over RG3, it's obvious we need a new coach.[/quote]

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095734]Bruh, I'm checking out for the season I'm done. When people argue for Colt McCoy over RG3, it's obvious we need a new coach.[/quote]

Watching Griffin play QB right now is brutal. He just has no anticipation or feel in the passing game. When does he EVER throw the ball on the 5th step of his drop? Stop double clutching, stop looking like you're taking a jump shot when you throw, set your feet, look like a pro and deliver the effing ball. Let's be honest, now that the read option is pretty much history, we're seeing what he is. QB draws on 3rd and long when you have Jackson and Garçon? Those are giveup plays. I'm not a huge fan of McCoy, but we have more than 100 yards if he's in there. That was an unacceptable pass offense and a big reason is the QB and the coaches lack of confidence in their QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1095742]Watching Griffin play QB right now is brutal. He just has no anticipation or feel in the passing game. When does he EVER throw the ball on the 5th step of his drop? Stop double clutching, stop looking like you're taking a jump shot when you throw, set your feet, look like a pro and deliver the effing ball. Let's be honest, now that the read option is pretty much history, we're seeing what he is. QB draws on 3rd and long when you have Jackson and Garçon? Those are giveup plays. I'm not a huge fan of McCoy, but we have more than 100 yards if he's in there. [B]That was an unacceptable pass offense and a big reason is the QB and the coaches lack of confidence in their QB.[/B][/quote]

You're right about both things. RGIII is not playing well and Gruden's lack of confidence in RGIII is glaringly obvious.

That begs the question: Why didn't Gruden do more to try to win the game? Gruden's failure to make some in-game changes that could have helped the offense made it seem to me like he he didn't mind if we lost. For example, he could have given Moses some help. He also could have brought in Palumbus to play RT and moved Compton to the left side. He could have gone to Colt in the 4th quarter (and then start RGIII again next week). This game was winnable but the Gruden didn't do enough to win it. That bothers me a lot. I don't want any HC who doesn't mind losing a game for any reason. I think Gruden has some explaining to do.

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1095734]Bruh, I'm checking out for the season I'm done. When people argue for Colt McCoy over RG3, it's obvious we need a new coach.[/QUOTE]


How many coaches does Griff need to get fired before you realize it's superman? I mean superman socks!!


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13 points makes it very difficult to win at any level. RG looked terrible and Gruden basically said in his post game presser that that the offensive personnel isnt capable. This team has no depth and IMO that (and the terrible QB play) is the biggest reason they look so bad.

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[quote=irish;1095748]13 points makes it very difficult to win at any level. RG looked terrible and [B]Gruden basically said in his post game presser that that the offensive personnel isnt capable[/B]. This team has no depth and IMO that (and the terrible QB play) is the biggest reason they look so bad.[/quote]

Gruden didn't make any adjustments. This particular loss is on him as much, if not more, than anyone else. Just blaming the players is bullshit! He didn't score any points with me by allowing his team to lose this very winnable game. He says the clock is running out on RGIII. He'd better watch out because that same clock may run out on him if he doesn't show a stronger will to win now rather than a propensity to blame the players. He is starting to piss me off.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095734]Bruh, I'm checking out for the season I'm done. When people argue for Colt McCoy over RG3, it's obvious we need a new coach.[/quote]

Need a new coach? Unreal.




Here is something to note. It's not the offensive line.


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095749]Gruden didn't make any adjustments. This particular loss is on him as much, if not more, than anyone else. Just blaming the players is bullshit! He didn't score any points with me by allowing his team to lose this very winnable game. He says the clock is running out on RGIII. He'd better watch out because that same clock may run out on him if he doesn't show a stronger will to win now rather than a propensity to blame the players. He is starting to piss me off.[/quote]

What adjustments could Gruden have made? He gave the ball to Alfred Morris - Morris did his part. The offensive line couldn't do theirs, but RGIII looked as lost yesterday as he did a week ago against Tampa. The only adjustment Gruden could have made would have been benching RGIII.

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[quote=skinsguy;1095752]What adjustments could Gruden have made? He gave the ball to Alfred Morris - Morris did his part. The offensive line couldn't do theirs, but RGIII looked as lost yesterday as he did a week ago against Tampa. The only adjustment Gruden could have made would have been benching RGIII.[/quote]

As I said above, he could have given Moses some help or replaced him.

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While the o-line is not great they are only part of the problem. Robert had us in position to win in the 4th quarter and while he did not play well I don't see how Gruden can bench him when the game is as close as it was. I want them to evaluate Robert and part of that is seeing how he does when he is stinking it up but the game is still winnable.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095749]Gruden didn't make any adjustments. This particular loss is on him as much, if not more, than anyone else. Just blaming the players is bullshit! He didn't score any points with me by allowing his team to lose this very winnable game. He says the clock is running out on RGIII. He'd better watch out because that same clock may run out on him if he doesn't show a stronger will to win now rather than a propensity to blame the players. He is starting to piss me off.[/quote]

He didnt blame the players, he blamed the coaches. He said they have to do a better job of simplifying the play calling for the QB and O-Line that they have now. I read that as he recognized that the current players assembled on O dont have the skills to run an NFL caliber offense and the coaches have to adjust better to work with the talent they have.

I think JG has a very strong will to win but is IMO being hampered by having to figure out how to make one player into an NFL QB apparently at the expense of 51 other players.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095753]As I said above, he could have given Moses some help or replaced him.[/quote]

Replace with who? Compton cant plat LT. Hes barely learning how to play RT and hes good enough to take Polumbus place. So who exactly do we put in there?

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I think they have seen enough from Griffin, unfortunately he is just extremely limited right now. He might be inactive by the end of the season IMO. They only have 1 QB they can win games with, and he is really meant to be a backup. I suppose its time to just move on, but at least rebuild the lines before bringing in another young QB.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1095754]While the o-line is not great they are only part of the problem. Robert had us in position to win in the 4th quarter and while he did not play well I don't see how Gruden can bench him when the game is as close as it was. I want them to evaluate Robert and part of that is seeing how he does when he is stinking it up but the game is still winnable.[/quote]

I get your point. I suppose what he did is valid, as much as I hate it. But why didn't he give Moses some help?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095734]Bruh, I'm checking out for the season I'm done. When people argue for Colt McCoy over RG3, it's obvious we need a new coach.[/quote]

I thought QB's were judged on wins? That certainly one of your big critiques of KC. He didn't win games.

Griffin is 0-3 in games started. On top of that he is throwing bad balls, missing open receivers, and holding onto the ball too long.

Colt is 2-0.

So, if the QB is Griffin, it's not all about the wins for you - is it?

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[quote=Bucket;1095756]Replace with who? Compton cant plat LT. Hes barely learning how to play RT and hes good enough to take Polumbus place. So who exactly do we put in there?[/quote]

Could have helped Moses by having the RB stay in to block, particularly on the last series. Could have used a TE to help, as well.

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Watching Griffin play QB is really painful which is a huge shame. I am pulling hard for him but I just don't see him being able to turn it around. Too much fundamentally wrong with his play.

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After watching Rodgers creating the time and space he needed moving in the backfield, Bridgewater running and sliding, and Brady and Luck passing, it was very frustrating watching Griffin doing none of that well.

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So ultimately if RG3 bust out, are the Skins FO and management going to hold anybody responsible for trading all the picks for him?

I know in my business there is accountability, Skins management seems to be very little.

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This is what's going to happen, RG3 is going to another team next season

He'll start as backup, but end up again as a starter and 4 years from now we'll be hearing how he's leading another team to the playoffs, while we're stuck on the Snyder treadmill of mediocrity

Oh yeah, Gruden won't be here, he's 3 seasons and gone

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1095773]This is what's going to happen, RG3 is going to another team next season

He'll start as backup, but end up again as a starter and 4 years from now we'll be hearing how he's leading another team to the playoffs, while we're stuck on the Snyder treadmill of mediocrity

Oh yeah, Gruden won't be here, he's 3 seasons and gone[/quote]


I'd be willing to make a wager that this will NOT happen.

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Which part?

Our team continuing in Mediocrity and Gruden being out after three seasons

or RG3 eventually being successful at another team

The former is a certainty, the latter is debatable, but I think very possible considering our luck

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On a positive note:

Way
Morris
Philip Thomas
Hatcher
Keenan Robinson

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095764]I get your point. I suppose what he did is valid, as much as I hate it. But why didn't he give Moses some help?[/quote]

I have definitely questioned some of Gruden's decisions this season. This would be one of them.

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You cant give up on Gruden and RG3 this early. Both need to stick around.

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1095777]Which part?

Our team continuing in Mediocrity and Gruden being out after three seasons

[B][U]or RG3 eventually being successful at another team[/U][/B]

The former is a certainty, the latter is debatable, but I think very possible considering our luck[/quote]



This part.

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Did not see Thomas play but was wondering how he did.

Lots of good things. Two bad things - OLine's pass blocking, RGIII.

O-Line's run blocking was okay but a lot of the yards Morris got were yards he created.

The passing game is simply horrible right now - and it's not b/c of play design or lack of skill by the WR's. Sure, there have been some drops but receivers are open and, significantly more often than not, catches are made when the ball is in the vicinity.

Can't do elite plays with a QB & O-Line that can't do basic sh**.

This is going to be a long five games. If Griffin does not produce or show [I]significant[/I] improvement, we will be looking for a QB in the offseason. Trade him to a team that will let him sit and improve and hope to get a 3rd or 4th for him. <sigh>

So, what would be looking at had we just held our ground, drafted Tanehill (and used the other three picks for BPA's)? <double sigh>

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1095765]I thought QB's were judged on wins? That certainly one of your big critiques of KC. He didn't win games.





Griffin is 0-3 in games started. On top of that he is throwing bad balls, missing open receivers, and holding onto the ball too long.





Colt is 2-0.





So, if the QB is Griffin, it's not all about the wins for you - is it?[/QUOTE]



Nice!

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[quote=irish;1095755]He didnt blame the players, he blamed the coaches. He said they have to do a better job of simplifying the play calling for the QB and O-Line that they have now. I read that as he recognized that the current players assembled on O dont have the skills to run an NFL caliber offense and the coaches have to adjust better to work with the talent they have.

I think JG has a very strong will to win but is IMO being hampered by having to figure out how to make one player into an NFL QB apparently at the expense of 51 other players.[/quote]

I agree with this assessment of Gruden's current predicament.

Does he stop trying to instill an NFL passing playbook 11 games into his first HC job and just call the junk that got garcon 113 catches last year (drags, screens, crosses = plays that dont require timing, anticipation or reading a key defender)

or

Does he continue to struggle trying to find a balance of what RG3 can do and still utilizing his playbook. Week in, week out seems like it is trial and error with a lot of fails.

Mcvay was here the last couple years so i imagine he is telling gruden what kinda worked last year...

idk .. tough to ask a rookie HC to swallow his pride and vision and replace it with HS stuff that still wont win but make your star Qb look less horrible .... even if it is a mirage.

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It must be obvious by now even to his staunchest supporters that RGIII just can't play QB in this league.

He shouldn't even suit up next week. :Flush:

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[quote=over the mountain;1095794]I agree with this assessment of Gruden's current predicament.

Does he stop trying to instill an NFL passing playbook 11 games into his first HC job and just call the junk that got garcon 113 catches last year (drags, screens, crosses = plays that dont require timing, anticipation or reading a key defender)

or

Does he continue to struggle trying to find a balance of what RG3 can do and still utilizing his playbook. Week in, week out seems like it is trial and error with a lot of fails.

Mcvay was here the last couple years so i imagine he is telling gruden what kinda worked last year...

idk .. tough to ask a rookie HC to swallow his pride and vision and replace it with HS stuff that still wont win but make your star Qb look less horrible .... even if it is a mirage.[/quote]

I dont really know what should be done but what I do know is that this isnt the developmental league, its the NFL. At some point this coach/organization has to decide if it wants to place more emphasis on developing a single player or on winning games because it seems at this point the two are mutually exclusive.

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Loved this quote from John Keim regarding the Boldin/Haslett incident:

[B]Anquan Boldin on jawing with Jim Haslett: "I don't even give that a second thought. He's irrelevant."[/B]

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[quote=irish;1095810]I dont really know what should be done but what I do know is that this isnt the developmental league, its the NFL. At some point this coach/organization has to decide if it wants to place more emphasis on developing a single player or on winning games because it seems at this point the two are mutually exclusive.[/quote]

i think the deciding factor will be what many are saying .... a QB switch will be made when sticking with RG3 will start causing Gruden to lose the locker room ... guys like d jax and garcon will, hopefully, be constructive protesters and not destructive ones.

but .. wasnt gruden's deciding factor with cousins = when another QB gives us a better chance to win.

i just want to play out the year without a locker room blow out. as a fan, i really like watching d jax and want to see him stay for the next few years.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1095816]Loved this quote from John Keim regarding the Boldin/Haslett incident:

[B]Anquan Boldin on jawing with Jim Haslett: "I don't even give that a second thought. He's irrelevant."[/B][/quote]

the Pedro martinez response was awesome 10 years ago imo .. now i find it kinda jackassy. like when sherman called garcon irrelevant ..

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