Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

I post about once every 5 years

Jay Gruden needs to have the balls to sit Griffin for the rest of the season and have the Skins as an organization move past RGIII. That was the most ineffective QB play I have seen in decades.

Gruden is the coach I have been happiest with since Schottenhimer.....That was the last times the TEAM bought in btw...(IMO)

DJax should have had a monster game..
Morris was a beast.
Defense played well till late.
Special teams was in the + category (turnover).

We need more Gruden. We need Less RGIII

**** BTW I accept the first two picks as part of the game. It is the shit play after that wich has me pissed****

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I agree RG3 isn't good... but the reason this team sucks is more than RG3.

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[quote=donofriose;1094189]I agree RG3 isn't good... but the reason this team sucks is more than RG3.[/quote]

It goes much deeper then RG3, but he is a problem.

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[quote=spAtt;1094201]It goes much deeper then RG3, but he is a problem.[/quote]

Completely agree.

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The thing is the are only 2 possibilities:

1) is the answer at QB and is just rusty, unpolished, needs time, better O-line, more training, experience a hug or whatever. In this case you have to start him to give him playing time

2) Rg3 will never be a good NFL pocket passer. In this case you still start him every game this year because you still aren't sure about #1, because it does not matter this year is shot anyway, draft position, and finally Colt is probably not the answer.

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I've said it since day 1 and today seems like a good day to re-hash my thoughts.

They got a pig in a poke with RG3 - he is not the whole problem with the team but he is a big problem. I'm not sure if the Redskins can win with this guy. They've won games with Cousins, and with Colt McCoy. Lots of people will say "oh look at the 2012 season" but i think it was just a fluke and now we are seeing the REAL RG3

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1094204]I've said it since day 1 and today seems like a good day to re-hash my thoughts.

They got a pig in a poke with RG3 - he is not the whole problem with the team but he is a big problem. I'm not sure if the Redskins can win with this guy. They've won games with Cousins, and with Colt McCoy. Lots of people will say "oh look at the 2012 season" but i think it was just a fluke and now we are seeing the REAL RG3[/quote]

Cousins and McCoy are trash as well. This team is trash and Allen's track record of not being able to build a team is obviously hindering this organization.

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Robert is horrible. 1-9 in his last 10 starts or something like that...um Danny Boy, it may be about time to get with reality here.

Still no pass rush unless we leave the corners on an island. We don't have a good enough secondary to do that.

This team makes bad teams look good.

:puke:

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Guys it's the same no Matter who the coach is, Gibbs and shanny couldn't even fix this bullshit. It's on Snyder whatever he does never works, Bruce allen is trash and hasn't made the team better at all. . Same shit different yr nothing changes no matter who is our hc.

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[quote=Kope;1094186]I post about once every 5 years

Jay Gruden needs to have the balls to sit Griffin for the rest of the season and have the Skins as an organization move past RGIII. That was the most ineffective QB play I have seen in decades.

Gruden is the coach I have been happiest with since Schottenhimer.....That was the last times the TEAM bought in btw...(IMO)

DJax should have had a monster game..
Morris was a beast.
Defense played well till late.
Special teams was in the + category (turnover).

We need more Gruden. We need Less RGIII

**** BTW I accept the first two picks as part of the game. It is the shit play after that wich has me pissed****[/quote]

I agree. Griffin is clearly not who we thought he was. I'm learning that you don't take a quarterback second overall in the draft when that quarterback didn't play in a pro style offense in college. Griffin's real draft value was a mid 2nd round-late 3rd round pick.....we gambled foolishly on him.

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They have a worse record with Cousins as a starter. We have nothing at Qb. The reason we stink is the front office and Snyder period.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1094215]They have a worse record with Cousins as a starter. We have nothing at Qb. The reason we stink is the front office and Snyder period.[/quote]

Exactly. Different players and coaches... yet the same results.

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Shit runs down hill, and we are a dump. lol

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You start with the offensive line. Rebuild from there. How many times? It ain't rocket science. I'm not even American and I can recognise that basic prerequisite. Your quarterback isn't going to realise his potential without this. Too many years thinking that you don't need to spend high draft picks to get decent protection. These days you do; athletes both mental and physical are required. Foundations man. FOUNDATIONS.

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Gruden is are only hope, but he needs a little autonomy from the front office. IMO in order to be successful we need to clean house with some folks in the front office.

Also think bruce needs to go from personel decisions and it's time to hire a real gm

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So far I haven't been too impressed with Gruden. In my head I keep giving him the benefit of the doubt due to our team but I have not liked what I have seen with play calling and adjustments. His quote after the Giants game of not preparing for that game left a bad taste in my mouth and I can't wait to hear his "my bad" presser for this game

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I'm not sure Bruce Allen is the real problem with talent evaluation. I seriously doubt Bruce sits in the war room and says "OK boys, here's who we're drafting next" or "here's the Free Agent list we're going after".

How many of our Scouts and Free Agent evaluators have been here during the Snyder years? I think we need to hold those folks accountable for the many years of failure as well.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;1094203]The thing is the are only 2 possibilities:



1) is the answer at QB and is just rusty, unpolished, needs time, better O-line, more training, experience a hug or whatever. In this case you have to start him to give him playing time



2) Rg3 will never be a good NFL pocket passer. In this case you still start him every game this year because you still aren't sure about #1, because it does not matter this year is shot anyway, draft position, and finally Colt is probably not the answer.[/QUOTE]


Id like to believe option one simply because it would be one less (very important) piece of the puzzle we need, but imo even with all the other pieces in place Griff just is not a good qb. As i said in the gameday thread, missing wide open wr's can be blamed on rust, but not seeing them game after game after game can not.

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[quote=Bangee7;1094246]I'm not sure Bruce Allen is the real problem with talent evaluation. I seriously doubt Bruce sits in the war room and says "OK boys, here's who we're drafting next" or "here's the Free Agent list we're going after".

How many of our Scouts and Free Agent evaluators have been here during the Snyder years? I think we need to hold those folks accountable for the many years of failure as well.[/quote]

Every franchise has hits and misses......every player you draft or every free agent you sign will not work out. For every Ryan Kerrigan and Trent Williams, there's a Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1094251]Every franchise has hits and misses......every player you draft or every free agent you sign will not work out. For every Ryan Kerrigan and Trent Williams, there's a Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.[/quote]

True, but you have to admit we have more "misses" than say the Packers or Steelers....and that started way before Bruce....just saying.


I think BA has brought much more professionalism to the organization since he arrived.

But hey, we got the pitch forks out, so let's light the torches! :)

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[quote=Chico23231;1094232]Gruden is are only hope, but he needs a little autonomy from the front office. IMO in order to be successful we need to clean house with some folks in the front office.

[B]Also think bruce needs to go from personel decisions and it's time to hire a real gm[/B][/quote]^This. The front office dysfunction and lack of structure there will continue to hold this team hostage until we bring in a real GM.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1094204]I've said it since day 1 and today seems like a good day to re-hash my thoughts.

They got a pig in a poke with RG3 - he is not the whole problem with the team but he is a big problem. I'm not sure if the Redskins can win with this guy. They've won games with Cousins, and with Colt McCoy. [B]Lots of people will say "oh look at the 2012 season" but i think it was just a fluke and now we are seeing the REAL RG3[/B][/quote]

Not really a fluke, just a case of defensive coordinators taking a while to adjust to the dual threat quarterback types that buy extra time with their legs. Look at Russell Wilson, his early numbers have fallen off. Colin Kaepernick was tearing it up production wise in the play-offs in 2012 when he didn't even have 10 starts under his belt, now Kaepernick is putting up average numbers. Unfortunately Griffin isn't even putting up average numbers, and even when his numbers look ok in the box score what you see on the field looks worse. He is just another QB who relied on physical talents that has been exposed when defenses contain his mobility and force him to make quicker decisions. So far he can't cope, missing easy throws, taking drive killing sacks and turning the ball over.

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right now I don't care who you puut behind center - our o-line sucks and who ever is back there will get killed

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Jay Gruden seems likable enough, but he his not pro HC material and there's no evidence he'll grow into it even at this point. I tried to say before the game, good coaches have their team sharp after a bye week. The team, offense especially, was sloppy and unprepared today. Grudens not a leader.
The scheme and play-calling are crap too. Grudens not the guy.

But Snyder can't stop there. Allen's produced HALF a quality season in 5 years. Remember how aweful the first half of 2012 was. Otherwise Allen's product has been absolute shit.

I wouldn't hold it against Snyder at all for cleaning house, starting this week maybe.

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[quote=Bangee7;1094257]True, but you have to admit we have more "misses" than say the Packers or Steelers....and that started way before Bruce....just saying.


I think BA has brought much more professionalism to the organization since he arrived.

But hey, we got the pitch forks out, so let's light the torches! :)[/quote]


Not really [url=http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/]No Team Can Beat the Draft | FiveThirtyEight[/url]
I think it just seems that way since we are so vested in this team. It may also be because we have a tradition of trading away draft picks and not collecting them, which appears to be the most effective way to succeed at the draft.

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Robert had a bad game. He stopped looking downfield, whether it was from pressure or scheme. He just stopped looking downfield. I have asked for years before Robert what is the process for QB progression in Washington? Does the QB have the choice of who to throw it too or does he have to throw it to the primary targeted receiver. Because it seems like the same problem since Brad Johnson left.

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If I was Bruce Allen, I would help Jay by bringing back Trent Baalke (one time Redskin national scout) to whatever the position above GM is, pay him whatever it takes. Have you guys seen the talent this guy has brought to the 49ers?

Baalke has done as well as anyone in the NFL since 2010, when he began overseeing the 49ers’ personnel department. Under his guiding hand, the 49ers’ drafts have yielded standout starters such as Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, NaVorro Bowman, Aldon Smith, Kaepernick and Reid. Since Baalke took over as general manager, the 49ers have gone 36-11-1.

This year alone:

Jimmy Ward 1st round
Carlos Hyde 2nd round
Marcus Martin 3rd round
Chris Borland 3rd round
Aaron Lynch 5th round (best pick of the 49ers this year)

Time to clean our front office

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Just make AJ SMITH co-GM. Make AJ responsible for selecting players, Bruce for negotiating contracts. From there, AJ hires a new scouting department.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1094273]Not really [url=http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/]No Team Can Beat the Draft | FiveThirtyEight[/url]
I think it just seems that way since we are so vested in this team. It may also be because we have a tradition of trading away draft picks and not collecting them, which appears to be the most effective way to succeed at the draft.[/quote]



[U]Of note in that article[/U]:

"Research by TheBigLead’s Jason Lisk (then writing for Pro-Football-Reference) shows that teams with top-five picks in the draft correctly identify the player who goes on to have the best career only [B]10.3 percent of the time[/B], a success rate that only gets worse as things progress deeper into the draft. So a team that believes it could somehow beat the market if only it controlled its own fate can [B]end up doing more harm than good if it trades away lower picks to move up in the draft. [/B]"

Sound like any team you know?

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^ yep yep. It is more about us thinking we can beat the system.

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I say DS throws all kinds of money at the entire Cardinals scout team/gm/coaching staff. Lol. It is unreal what that team is doing with all the defensive studs they are missing due to injury/suspension/moved on from last year etc. not to mention their qb situation. Hats off to the Cardinals organization.

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[quote=punch it in;1094285]I say DS throws all kinds of money at the entire Cardinals scout team/gm/coaching staff. Lol. It is unreal what that team is doing with all the defensive studs they are missing due to injury/suspension/moved on from last year etc. not to mention their qb situation. Hats off to the Cardinals organization.[/quote]

That sounds familiar :)

Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1094287]That sounds familiar :)[/QUOTE]


I thought you wanted the niners brass?[emoji4]

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[quote=punch it in;1094290]I thought you wanted the niners brass?[/quote]

I do, but I have been touting the Cards, their injuries and the awesome job Todd Bowles has been doing all season.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1094292]I do, but I have been touting the Cards, their injuries and the awesome job Todd Bowles has been doing all season.[/QUOTE]


You have. Bowles has been amazing. Just amazing.

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[quote=punch it in;1094294]You have. Bowles has been amazing. Just amazing.[/quote]

The skins need to make changes to their coaching staff on the OL and DC. Foerster hasn't done shit developing our young OL (Leribius, Moses and long all 3rd round picks). Haslett we know the story. If Bugel was still coaching the OL those 3 guys be further along.

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We could not get a third round pick for RGIII…He WILL NEVER be a good Starting QB..the strength of his game was what got him hurt..take that away and you got nothing…Colt McCoy at least understands the scheme…Its time to end the RGIII fiasco ..if I am wrong tell me this what other team in the NFL would RGIII start for??

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1094296]We could not get a third round pick for RGIII…He WILL NEVER be a good Starting QB..the strength of his game was what got him hurt..take that away and you got nothing…Colt McCoy at least understands the scheme…Its time to end the RGIII fiasco ..if I am wrong tell me this what other team in the NFL would RGIII start for??[/QUOTE]


Possibly the Jets. Thats all i got.

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5 of the last 6 years the skins have started 3-6 lmao! What a POS joke

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/brian-mitchell-goes-redskins-postgame-rant]Brian Mitchell goes off on Redskins in postgame rant | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

Agree 100%

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You may be on to something!! ..its sad but I really don't believe that based on performance RGIII could even win that job.I believe 10000% that with Colt we would have won this game and the Vikings game..