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No moral victory for me.

Accountability in the front office. Folks, take a look at Seattle's starting roster vs ours, as you can see it is stacked with players taken in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds all drafted within the team. Seattle been able to pic and develop their own talent far better than we have. Bruce, Scott Campbell, Doug Williams and scouts need to be held accountable now that we have moved away from the stupidity which the Snyder/Ceratto strategy of trade drafts picks and over pay POS. We should see better results, we are not. This was just an observation when watching last night.

Special teams still suck ass. Our coverage units are terrible and we cant tackle. They execute a fake punt and we cant execute a cute kickoff where Seattle was fully prepared for it. I do like our punter.

Did you see Seattle's tackling vs our own tackling? Its an embarrassment of bad angles and poor execution.

Dropped passes. Paulson to start the game, Roberts a huge drop and D Jax with 2 drops. pathetic.

The team look completely unprepared the 1st quarter. You are on primetime, Monday night, at home and had extra time from the "Thursday" bye and you come out looking like pussies and punks. Scared bitches. Thats an embarressment.

I dont know, I thought the defense played inspired after the 1st quarter, but th offense is inept. I thought Cousins got decent protection against a above average dline, but couldnt make plays.

We got to do something about the TE and Safety positions in the offseason. Its piss poor.

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Well the new coaching staff and supposedly "new" front office has a long way to go. It took Seattle a while to accumulate all there talent. It will probably take Washington a couple of years as well.

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Didnt fisnish the game, but the just of it. We def need to work on some defense. They couldnt keep the QB in the pocket, and when he was out of the pocket, he was getting 1st downs every time you turned around.

Second, the Offense. Im not even sure RG3 could fix it. It was like watching small fish swim through the holes in a big net. We have some serious work to do and we def aint gonna fix it this season.

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Line of Scrimage folks, Seattle owned it last night.

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Eh...you know, everyone and their brother expected this game to be a carbon copy of the Giants game, and it was much closer than that. With all the backups in there, the 'skins still put up a pretty impressive effort. The offensive line continues to be my biggest complaint. One minute, the line can't protect the quarterback, the next minute it can't open holes for Alfred Morris. I stick with the idea that it starts with the offensive line, and outside of Williams, there is nobody on the line worth keeping around - especially that right side.

As always, I give the first year coach a pass. Gruden is going to have to have some time to develop his offense without having to deal with the plethora of injuries he's had to deal with so far. There's still plenty of time for the 'skins to turn the season around and at least improve upon what they did last year (which shouldn't take much effort.) Several of us predicted 6-10 and 7-9 by season's end. I'd say if the 'skins wind up somewhere around there, it's probably a pretty decent effort considering what all the 'skins have had to deal with this year.

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Only positive I would say would be seeing DJax score on the Legion of Boom.

Offense was horrible though and failed to come through at key times. Defense was okay despite what people think. Though no defense is going to look good with a bad offense.

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Negatives: Not going for it on fourth and short deep in Seahawk territory, then immediately trying an onside kick after the field goal. What kind of asinine reasoning is that? To beat a team like Seattle, the Skins need to take risks, but in that case they took the wrong one. I can reluctantly agree with the decision to kick the FG (though that smacks of a team trying to lose by fewer points rather than trying to win), but to then try an onside kick with the league's worst special teams unit makes no sense.

And as we have seen so many times, when the defense is called upon to make a late fourth quarter stop, they allow a long drive that ends in points. Just once I'd like to see the defense come up with a stop in that situation.

All that aside, it was nice to see the team keep fighting and turn this into a game. On the heels of last week's debacle, things looked like they were about to get ugly quick on the first drive. The guys really hung in there and fought it out. I think conventional wisdom would say that if our starters were healthier, we would have played better. But sometimes there's something to be said about the additional effort you're going to get from guys who are out to prove they are more than backups, and I think we saw some of that spirit from the defense.

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[quote=Coff;1088425]Negatives: Not going for it on fourth and short deep in Seahawk territory, then immediately trying an onside kick after the field goal. What kind of asinine reasoning is that? To beat a team like Seattle, the Skins need to take risks, but in that case they took the wrong one. I can reluctantly agree with the decision to kick the FG (though that smacks of a team trying to lose by fewer points rather than trying to win), but to then try an onside kick with the league's worst special teams unit makes no sense.

And as we have seen so many times, when the defense is called upon to make a late fourth quarter stop, they allow a long drive that ends in points. Just once I'd like to see the defense come up with a stop in that situation.

All that aside, it was nice to see the team keep fighting and turn this into a game. On the heels of last week's debacle, things looked like they were about to get ugly quick on the first drive. The guys really hung in there and fought it out. I think conventional wisdom would say that if our starters were healthier, we would have played better. But sometimes there's something to be said about the additional effort you're going to get from guys who are out to prove they are more than backups, and I think we saw some of that spirit from the defense.[/quote]

I agree in the fight. Team looked more inspired in the second especially on defense. Id like to see Cousins or Alfmo get a little more angry on offense...get pissed when someone drops a pass or whiffs on a block. The offense line needs more nasty on it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088420]Line of Scrimage folks, Seattle owned it last night.[/quote]

Pretty much sums it up. They're so much better in the trenches than we are. Also I think we all saw why Polumbus is the starter. Moses isn't anywhere near ready. He'll get the QB killed if he has to play.

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It's clear that the skins need to get lots of players. I think when Orakpo walks (someone is going to over pay him and we see he isn't worth that kind of money) that will give them some room to do some signings, but it's time to spend high draft pics on Lineman. Both sides.

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[quote=Bushead;1088428]It's clear that the skins need to get lots of players. I think when Orakpo walks (someone is going to over pay him and we see he isn't worth that kind of money) that will give them some room to do some signings, but it's time to spend high draft pics on Lineman. Both sides.[/quote]

Yeah I've given a pass on Rak so far this year, no mas. 12 million dollars and now he is making excuses in the media? No I dont want to hear it. I dont see Trent Murphy as the answer next year, he was reach in the draft and needs work.

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[quote=donofriose;1088417]Well the new coaching staff and supposedly "new" front office has a long way to go. It took Seattle a while to accumulate all there talent. It will probably take Washington a couple of years as well.[/quote]

Seattle was a middle of the road team when Carroll took over and after the second year they really took off. We have much further to go than they did because we seem to lack an identity. Our FO and coaches seem to switch styles back and forth decreasing continuity. B Mitch yesterday said what makes the Giants the best team in the division consistently is their continuity, their team dynamics don't change styles too much going way back to the 80s (maybe even further?) just the names change.

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Safeties and Linemen.

Oh, and Linebackers and TE's.

Depth at CB (I do like Breeland & Amerson - next year's version).

Maybe a new QB.


Other than that we are set!

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[quote=Chico23231;1088429]Yeah I've given a pass on Rak so far this year, no mas. 12 million dollars and now he is making excuses in the media? No I dont want to hear it. I dont see Trent Murphy as the answer next year, he was reach in the draft and needs work.[/quote]

Yup. I liked Rak, but it is time to put up or shut up. He's a good solid OLB. Not a game-changer. He will tough to replace. Not sure Murphy is good enough, but he doesn't have to be an all-pro. Just solid. That's what Rak is.

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Im loving the fact Breeland and Amerson are getting good experience playing together. I like the size and how physical they are.

Brandon Merriwether needs to go. Porter needs to go (he never came).

I think Riley is replacable and Robinson just need more playing time. Did anybody see K Robinson make big errors in coverage? Twice I saw him double someone in short routes and let a guy (he's responsibilty) run free uncovered. Needs to clean that up.

Watching Perry Riley spy on Wilson was an epic failure. Merriweather missed open tackles on Wilson twice.

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Positive: Haslett's adjustments at half time

Negative: Haslett's foolish original game plan that required half time adjustments

on another note:
In preseason, I saw many players psyched to ball out and play hard. I don't see that any more. You're doing something wrong if you are not psyched to play the defending champs but we weren't psyched.

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How i envisioned RGIII in year 3.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2223016-russell-wilson-embodies-elite-quarterback-play-in-mnf-win-over-washington]Russell Wilson Embodies Elite Quarterback Play in 'MNF' Win over Washington | Bleacher Report[/url]

Only the Redskins could ruin the sure fire thing.

Fawking Griffin. Thanks for nothing.

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[quote=mredskins;1088437]How i envisioned RGIII in year 3.

[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2223016-russell-wilson-embodies-elite-quarterback-play-in-mnf-win-over-washington"]Russell Wilson Embodies Elite Quarterback Play in 'MNF' Win over Washington | Bleacher Report[/URL]

Only the Redskins could ruin the sure fire thing.

Fawking Griffin. Thanks for nothing.[/quote]

How did they ruin a sure thing? He got hurt twice. That's not the Redskins fault.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088438]How did they ruin a sure thing? He got hurt twice. That's not the Redskins fault.[/quote]

I know; just frustrated.

Even outside of the injuries he is not progressing.

It sucks he cost us a boat load of picks and set us pack at QB for another 5 years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088438]How did they ruin a sure thing? He got hurt twice. That's not the Redskins fault.[/quote]

If we dont get plan B together this offseason, it will be the Redskins fault. RG3 proven he cannot stay healthy, unfortunately we need to come up with a viable back up plan. Continue to develop Cousins? I dont see him as the long term solution in a Gruden offense.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1088440]If we dont get plan B together this offseason, it will be the Redskins fault. RG3 proven he cannot stay healthy, unfortunately we need to come up with a viable back up plan. Continue to develop Cousins? I dont see him as the long term solution in a Gruden offense.[/QUOTE]
Truthfully Cousins with a first or second round non-bust right tackle probably succeeds. I think we move away from the Shanahan zone and get heavy up front.

Lotus I agree about Haslett, in game he gets better but coming into the game his defense just is never prepared. That was behind my impetuous fire Haslett comment in the game thread after the first Seahawks score.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1088441]Truthfully Cousins with a first or second round non-bust right tackle probably succeeds. I think we move away from the Shanahan zone and get heavy up front.

Lotus I agree about Haslett, in game he gets better but coming into the game his defense just is never prepared. That was behind my impetuous fire Haslett comment in the game thread after the first Seahawks score.[/quote]

Yeah, I think its going to take more than a RT for Cousins to be successful. I think if Cousins is on the Seahawks last night against us, Seahawks lose. The difference in the game (yes Special teams is always the answer but) was the mobility of Wilson. Big plays time and time again

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1088441]Truthfully Cousins with a first or second round non-bust right tackle probably succeeds. I think we move away from the Shanahan zone and get heavy up front.

Lotus I agree about Haslett, [B]in game he gets better but coming into the game his defense just is never prepared.[/B] That was behind my impetuous fire Haslett comment in the game thread after the first Seahawks score.[/quote]

You can say the same thing about the offense. I think the only time we had a successful first drive was against the Eagles and Jaguars. Other than that, the offense seems to always come unprepared.

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[quote]Accountability in the front office. Folks, take a look at Seattle's starting roster vs ours, as you can see it is stacked with players taken in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds all drafted within the team. Seattle been able to pic and develop their own talent far better than we have. Bruce, Scott Campbell, Doug Williams and scouts need to be held accountable now that we have moved away from the stupidity which the Snyder/Ceratto strategy of trade drafts picks and over pay POS. We should see better results, we are not. This was just an observation when watching last night. [/quote]


When I questioned why in the fuck were we bringing in the likes of Doug Williams (who hasn't proved jack shit as a FA scout), you get met with "give it time...or don't overreact." It didn't take a genius to see that Bruce has brought back the ole Tampa Bay Country Club connections, and it isn't going to work. The moment they allowed Jim Haslett to stay is the moment that Bruce should have been removed from any decision making abilities involved with this team. He needs to be in charge of operations, but NOT personnel.

We need better players. We need better scouts. We need a better GM that'll fucking listen to our scouts. Back up the Brink truck for a guy like Eric Decosta or hire another young hungry guy who's trying to make his mark on this game.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088442]Yeah, I think its going to take more than a RT for Cousins to be successful. I think if Cousins is on the Seahawks last night against us, Seahawks lose. The difference in the game (yes Special teams is always the answer but) was the mobility of Wilson. Big plays time and time again[/quote]

If you put Cousins in the Seahawks, with a healthy Lynch, they definitely win the game. But unlike Wilson, Cousins cannot overcome the lack of a running game (32 rushing yards).

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Where has Garçon been? He's a guy they need to get the ball to more than twice a game.

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[quote=Mattyk;1088446]Where has Garçon been? He's a guy they need to get the ball to more than twice a game.[/quote]

For real. All the balls have been going to our TEs and DJax. He only had two catches last night.

Also, I don't know why the team didn't go to screen passes more often, especially since the Seattle D-line is so aggressive.

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[quote=mredskins;1088437]How i envisioned RGIII in year 3.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2223016-russell-wilson-embodies-elite-quarterback-play-in-mnf-win-over-washington]Russell Wilson Embodies Elite Quarterback Play in 'MNF' Win over Washington | Bleacher Report[/url]

Only the Redskins could ruin the sure fire thing.

Fawking Griffin. Thanks for nothing.[/quote]


Griffin was anything but a sure fire thing. He was a huge project all along. He played in a spread offense in college so nobody knew if he was going to make the transition or not. His potential and ability landed him in the spot he was drafted. Luck on the other hand was the sure fire thing (even though nothing is sure fire) because he played in a pro-style offense in college and excelled in it.

That's why you don't waste a bunch of picks on a project. It's moronic and something only bad teams do.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088445]If you put Cousins in the Seahawks, with a healthy Lynch, they definitely win the game. But unlike Wilson, Cousins cannot overcome the lack of a running game (32 rushing yards).[/quote]

Yeah I thought holding Lynch and Turbin to 91 yards rushing at a 4.1 avg was a win for us. Obviously better than we did, but a baller named Wilson, his legs were the difference imo

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Alfmo always has running lanes when RG3 is in the on the field. This Cousins is a Rex replay imo.

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[quote=Mattyk;1088446]Where has Garçon been? He's a guy they need to get the ball to more than twice a game.[/quote]

True. Of course the only story the media is talking about involving Garcon is pulling Sherman's hair.

Jordan Reed on the sideline is killing us...just as RG3 is...damn we need some pesticide for this injury bug

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It was apparent that the Skins learned nothing from the way other teams have played the hawks thus far. Shitty organization, shitty coaches tend to yield shitty results.

:spank::hitfan:

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[quote=saden1;1088452]It was apparent that the Skins learned nothing from the way other teams have played the hawks thus far. Shitty organization, shitty coaches tend to yield shitty results.

:spank::hitfan:[/quote]

enlightening. seems like you got all the answers

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[quote=Chico23231;1088453]enlightening. seems like you got all the answers[/quote]

Nah, it's all self-evident. There was a boot, a face, and a boot to the face. You don't need to be enlightened to know who is who.

I hope you enjoyed that fake kickoff call and Jay Grudent smiling and laughing while down by 7 with 3 min left in the game.

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In years past id say ok were ect ect away you know? As of right now.. I dont know where to start. Defense wins championships. We draft defense, all defense the next two years. Oline if you go offense. We have weapons, it starts up front. We could use another lethal RB too. Like i said im still not sure what direction we need to go in. Either we see magic like true chemistry or just overloaded on talent i see neither.

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We need to get some better players and better people picking the players. But first, we need a blueprint. The great teams have one. We don't really have one. Let's get small o-linemen, then go back to big ones, then try the 3-4. Someone in the front office needs to lay that down and we need to stick with it.

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[quote=saden1;1088455]Nah, it's all self-evident. There was a boot, a face, and a boot to the face. You don't need to be enlightened to know who is who.

I hope you enjoyed that fake kickoff call and Jay Grudent smiling and laughing while down by 7 with 3 min left in the game.[/quote]

No RG3 burns today? He looked all fake, phoney and like a fraud over there with that fake clipboard, taking them fake notes, you know thats all for show, he really doesnt care right?

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[quote=Bushead;1088428]It's clear that the skins need to get lots of players. I think when Orakpo walks (someone is going to over pay him and we see he isn't worth that kind of money) that will give them some room to do some signings, but it's time to spend high draft pics on Lineman. Both sides.[/quote]

The only team that would overpay Orakpo is the Skins.

Giving away draft packs like Xmas presents isnt the way to build a winner and the Skins are a prime example of that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088457]We need to get some better players and better people picking the players. But first, we need a blueprint. The great teams have one. We don't really have one. Let's get small o-linemen, then go back to big ones, then try the 3-4. Someone in the front office needs to lay that down and we need to stick with it.[/quote]

Its impossible to develop and stick to a blueprint when you are a revolving door organization like the Skins.

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Ntm a little good luck might help. I want us to draft a star a true playmaker for the defense.