guidance on flag football
 

Are there official rules we can go by?

I need to let the other sites know how many players we're talking about, and a standard set of game rules would be nice too.

Any suggestions post em here. Thanks

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I found these on the NIRSA site, let me know how they look

[url]http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:oWaL7mEQLVwJ:www.units.muohio.edu/rsp/RSCWeb/Intramurals/Rulebooks/flag%2520fb%2520rulebook_04.pdf+NIRSA+flag+football&hl=en[/url]

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Depending on how much room we have on the fields maybe we should have a handful of Warpath teams (and Extremeskins teams, etc.) so this way more people get a chance to play

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Depending on how much room we have on the fields maybe we should have a handful of Warpath teams (and Extremeskins teams, etc.) so this way more people get a chance to play[/QUOTE]

Depending how many people are interested you could have like two mini tournements (ex: Warpathers vs Warpathers, Extremeskins vs Extremskins) then you could have the winning teams face off or somthing like that. Again it depends on the types of turnouts you get. I think a site like us; we could go one team and still be alright with everyone still getting a chance to play.

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Is there no way that we could swing a tackle game? 7 on 7 is a QB scrambling game. In other words if the QB is a good runner, then that is the majority of the offensive plays the whole game. I am one who would have alot to lose should I get hurt, because my job depends on my overall health. But, I would really love to play one last tackle game before I end up old, out of shape, and on an inhaler. I dont want my last game of HS football 8 years ago to be my last, full contact, organized game. Right now I am like Al Bundy re-living his glory days on the couch. I am sure that many men feel the same way that I do. They want to play the right way, because they love the game the way that it is supposed to be. FULL CONTACT. I do not care if I get hurt, because I will heal, and this proposed game is another form of healing!

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the only site i think that could field multiple teams easily would be extremeskins...
they could just work out sub rules or something...


tackle is a MUCH bigger liablity then flag especially with sponsors, some uninsured players etc...

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When I played intramural flag football in college we had a rule that said the QB could only run once every four downs, or maybe it was only if he was being blitz

I forget exactly but I remember that there was some rule that prevented the QB from just scrambling on every play

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I would love to play tackle but I feel the only way this will work is by playing flag.

Being as such, if we actually can get 11-on-11 games going on, I think that people will have to run legit plays and that even if the QB scrambles, someone will be there to get him.

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I played in a local 8-man league here in Richmond last year, and we played according to the USFFA rulebook:

[url]http://www.usffa.org/rulebook.htm[/url]

I really liked the way the USFFA game is played.

I would think we could do 8-on-8, and perhaps even have offensive and defensive squads, if each team can get 16 people. That way, you've got plenty of subs.

Here's some other good sites for flag football guidelines:

[url]http://www.flagfootball.org/StylesOfPlay.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.aftfl.com/rulebook.cfm[/url]

[url]http://www.nvffa.com/rules04.htm[/url]

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I would love to play tackle but I feel the only way this will work is by playing flag.

Being as such, if we actually can get 11-on-11 games going on, I think that people will have to run legit plays and that even if the QB scrambles, someone will be there to get him.[/QUOTE]

I agree; theres no way we could play tackle and have it work-out. At least not sponsored and everything like were talking. I do think we could get 11 on 11 going with the "dummie bags" as someone else was saying. That would be alot of fun, we could have pulling gaurds and stuff. It'd be a blast. Counter Tre!! :headbange

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8-on-8 with offensive and defensive squads would be a great idea.

It keeps the number of teams down to a minimum and gives everyone a chance to play.

Hey Matty, did you ask any of the websites you contacted to email the Redskins to show THEIR interest too?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]When I played intramural flag football in college we had a rule that said the QB could only run once every four downs, or maybe it was only if he was being blitz

I forget exactly but I remember that there was some rule that prevented the QB from just scrambling on every play[/QUOTE]

I have played flag football for every Post that I have been assigned to and even with those rules, the team with the mobile QB usually wins. It is no fun. In 7 on 7 all players are eligible receivers. Imagine running passing routes 20 or 30 plays in a row and the ball only gets thrown on about 10 to 12 of those plays. That is 7 on 7 flag football. Bye the way you might attempt 3 designed running plays in that 20-30 set. Everybody gets to run around, but not everyone gats a solid chance at the ball.

In 11 on 11 more people are on the field, bet there is less chaos. A maximum of 5 people are eligible for a pass instead of 6. Pluss you have blockers that can do more than just stand there with their arms behind their backs trying to shield defenders. Look I can go on and on about this.

Give me a waiver that states that I am fully responsible for my own actions, and I will sign it. Lets play real football.

Bye the way, I do not care if Brian Mitchell endorses flag football. I would love to play the real thing. I will play either way though.

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While there were a few scrambling QBs in my league, the most effective offenses were predicated on the short passing game.

Most defenses were able to deploy an effective QB containment strategy, while maintaining adequate coverage downfield. This mostly requires discipline on the part of the D-linemen/linebackers, maintaining the proper angles on the quarterback so that he can't esape outside or up the middle.

If you're playing 8-on-8, you'll usually have 3 blockers (center and two tackles), a quarterback and 4 receivers on offense. On defense, you'll want 2 linemen, a linebacker, 4 cornerbacks and a safety, or some variation, depending on what kind of offense you're facing. Generally, though, the linemen and linebacker(s) are able to keep the QB in check and force him to throw the ball.

As far as contact goes, there was plenty of contact in that 8-man league, especially if you were on the line. We were allowed to jam receivers within 5 yards of the LOS, also. It's not tackle, but it's pretty damn fun, regardless.

I don't think there's any way we'd be able to get a tackle game approved, or attract enough interested players to make it work. Most folks just don't want to risk the kind of injury that can occur in tackle football. Heck, I played flag last fall and broke my finger. I wasn't cleared for work for six weeks, which meant I had to take short-term disability pay. Let's just say getting 50% of your pay for six weeks is no vacation-- especially when you're not making much to begin with.

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[QUOTE=joecrisp]While there were a few scrambling QBs in my league, the most effective offenses were predicated on the short passing game.

Most defenses were able to deploy an effective QB containment strategy, while maintaining adequate coverage downfield. This mostly requires discipline on the part of the D-linemen/linebackers, maintaining the proper angles on the quarterback so that he can't esape outside or up the middle.

If you're playing 8-on-8, you'll usually have 3 blockers (center and two tackles), a quarterback and 4 receivers on offense. On defense, you'll want 2 linemen, a linebacker, 4 cornerbacks and a safety, or some variation, depending on what kind of offense you're facing. Generally, though, the linemen and linebacker(s) are able to keep the QB in check and force him to throw the ball.

As far as contact goes, there was plenty of contact in that 8-man league, especially if you were on the line. We were allowed to jam receivers within 5 yards of the LOS, also. It's not tackle, but it's pretty damn fun, regardless.

I don't think there's any way we'd be able to get a tackle game approved, or attract enough interested players to make it work. Most folks just don't want to risk the kind of injury that can occur in tackle football. Heck, I played flag last fall and broke my finger. I wasn't cleared for work for six weeks, which meant I had to take short-term disability pay. Let's just say getting 50% of your pay for six weeks is no vacation-- especially when you're not making much to begin with.[/QUOTE]

I never thought that I would be saying this to a civilian. I work on salary and get paid whether I am hurt, or not, able to show up to work, or not. The funny thing is that you make more money than I do.

You must have been playing with a bunch of guys that have not evolved the flag game as much as we have. When I said that the QB made up modt of the yards, I meant it. There is much more defense in the flag that I play. Players do not get open often, and the QB has no choice but to try and scramble, but because of the limitations of the O line in flag, he doesnt have anywhere to go. However, every once in a while he breaks free. Often games are decided by 1 or 2 scores and if a total of 25 points were scored. It was a high scoring game. 13-12

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I played in intramural flag football leagues in college and I don't remember the rule regarding the QB and scrambling, but it was never an issue. I'll ask one of my buddies to see if he remembers.

As far as playing tackle, if we want the Redskins involved it would probably never happen, just too much liability at stake.

Even though I'd love to play some old fashioned smash mouth ball, I can't risk getting seriously injured either. It's one thing when you're 20 something years old, it's a whole different story when you're 32 and have bills to pay.

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[QUOTE=angryssg]You must have been playing with a bunch of guys that have not evolved the flag game as much as we have. When I said that the QB made up modt of the yards, I meant it. There is much more defense in the flag that I play. Players do not get open often, and the QB has no choice but to try and scramble, but because of the limitations of the O line in flag, he doesnt have anywhere to go. However, every once in a while he breaks free. Often games are decided by 1 or 2 scores and if a total of 25 points were scored. It was a high scoring game. 13-12[/QUOTE]

Yeah, in the league I played in, coverage was tight, but there was usually at least one guy open enough that it was a better bet for the QB to pass it than to tuck it and run.

Don't get me wrong, though-- we had our share of Michael Vick wannabes, too-- but most defenses were able to keep those guys relatively in-check and force them to pass the ball.

Like I said, the best offenses in our league used a quick, efficient, West Coast-style offense to dink-and-dunk their way down the field. It doesn't mean the coverage sucked, it just means they ran a good offense.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Depending on how much room we have on the fields maybe we should have a handful of Warpath teams (and Extremeskins teams, etc.) so this way more people get a chance to play[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing, maybe an A team and a B team or something.

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One thing that I always thought was really key to flag football was having a quality QB.

Seems like whoever had the good QBs went really far, and a good O-line is nice of course.

Is there anyone here that is seriously a good QB??

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72] Is there anyone here that is seriously a good QB??[/QUOTE]

Depends what you're lookin for. I'm very accurate and can throw some really nice balls, but I dont have really good arm strenth. Therefore I'll hang up alot of balls that are more than like 15-20 yards. I'm sure there is someone here that is better than I am, I wouldnt say I'm good, but I'm not bad if we have no other options.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Depends what you're lookin for. I'm very accurate and can throw some really nice balls, but I dont have really good arm strenth. Therefore I'll hang up alot of balls that are more than like 15-20 yards. I'm sure there is someone here that is better than I am, I wouldnt say I'm good, but I'm not bad if we have no other options.[/QUOTE]

Do you wear a glove?

;)

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Do you wear a glove?

;)[/QUOTE]

Danny Wurfell is my hero!!! OF COURSE I WEAR A GLOVE!! :laughing2

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Hahahahaha! I had completely forgotten (and by forgotten I mean repressed) about that!!

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gmanc711 just might be our cheap and available option at QB, LOL

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Let's remember to stick to our guns and not overpay him.

Gmanc, we can only offer you .5 mil with incentives based on your health.

If you want to visit other teams, feel free, but please give us an answer soon.

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we can just have tryouts in the first practice if it goes through, and assign positions by merit there etc...

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Definitely. I believe we're going to have to have people take a few days off of work to stay in the DC area while this thing goes down.

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With a K2 or a Nerf I'm freakin Joe Montana...otherwise my hands are just too small

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[QUOTE=angryssg]I never thought that I would be saying this to a civilian. I work on salary and get paid whether I am hurt, or not, able to show up to work, or not. The funny thing is that you make more money than I do.

You must have been playing with a bunch of guys that have not evolved the flag game as much as we have. When I said that the QB made up modt of the yards, I meant it. There is much more defense in the flag that I play. Players do not get open often, and the QB has no choice but to try and scramble, but because of the limitations of the O line in flag, he doesnt have anywhere to go. However, every once in a while he breaks free. Often games are decided by 1 or 2 scores and if a total of 25 points were scored. It was a high scoring game. 13-12[/QUOTE]
How stringent were you guys on contact? I have played in several leagues and the level of contact allowed changed the game completely. Each league I have been in was a 7-7 league with basically no contact whatsoever. The blocking schemes are basically boxing out like in basketball. That makes blocking extremely difficult and and getting to the qb pretty easy. The games were all predicated on short passing. We looked at a lot like the SKins of last year. Tons of WR screens and HB flats. If players are not allowed to touch at all(I mean AT ALL) then that tends to mitigate the running of the QB greatly. Still, a team with a good mobile QB does have a distinct advantage much like in regular football.

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I've played in leagues and the contact was pretty significant. You couldn't tackle obviously, but we had our share of penalties for that. ;)

You also couldn't block below the waist, but other than that anything goes.

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I played both Intramural at college, and in a co-rec league here in MoCo...

both were 8 on 8, both were all eligible.

In college, we played 3 line, 4 receiver, QB in shotgun. and as a lineman, I probably led the team in receptions. I would always block and release. We could use our hands to block, and I never once got called for holding in 3 years. We weren't that good, and a scrambling QB with a good arm is a definte need.

In Co-Rec, you had to have 4 and 4 on the field at the same time. We used 2 receivers, 3 linemen, 2 fullbacks and a QB. our line was always females, one male fullback, one female fullback, male QB and WRs. i always played fullback, and would again, block and release out to the flats. the biggest thing about co-rec was that the men could not initiate contact with the women, so when blocking women, the guys always had their hands behind their backs. i would always widen my stance when blocking a woman, as to make it tougher to go around. however, i would knock guys out of the way when i blocked...in 2 years, I had trouble with one guy. he was 6'4", 225-240, quick and strong. jammed my shoulder pretty good that day...

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I ran ncaa cross country, and track. One hobbie in high school was ultimate frisbee. I can move. And keep moving. Im all in.

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Ultimate frisbee is alot of fun, played alot of that in college

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Hrm - It's looking like people want to run some practices. Seeing as how everyone's so spread out that could make it tough to assign positions then. I'm sure our resident military man, angryssg, would have to take leave and come up just for the game.

If we want to practice - does anyone have somewhere which should be located in the NOVA area we can use? I'm guessing we could use Mason's intermural fields. I could ask a friend who works for that office and see if that's possible. It's in Fairfax, don't know how that would work for everyone.

Another neat feature would to give every team a Redskins player as a coach - (just for the event of course). If this were to come true I'd expect Matty to push hard for Ade Jimoh.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Let's remember to stick to our guns and not overpay him.

Gmanc, we can only offer you .5 mil with incentives based on your health.

If you want to visit other teams, feel free, but please give us an answer soon.[/QUOTE]

Screw you assh*les. I'm going to Denver....

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:lol::lol::lol: Hahahaha... I was hoping you'd say that. Now I hope you're a bust for them!!

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I seriously can see LaVar getting fired up at an event like this. I bet he would be one of the first to sign up to be a coach/official.

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I'd rather LaVar be actually practicing with the team during training camp than on the sidelines coaching us

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Would you REALLY? Even if he took just a couple hours to come coach us?

I'll say that if it made the difference between a single win or loss, then I'd rather have him practice.

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It would be cool if it was at a time the players could come watch!

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Hrm - It's looking like people want to run some practices. Seeing as how everyone's so spread out that could make it tough to assign positions then. I'm sure our resident military man, angryssg, would have to take leave and come up just for the game.

If we want to practice - does anyone have somewhere which should be located in the NOVA area we can use? I'm guessing we could use Mason's intermural fields. I could ask a friend who works for that office and see if that's possible. It's in Fairfax, don't know how that would work for everyone.

Another neat feature would to give every team a Redskins player as a coach - (just for the event of course). If this were to come true I'd expect Matty to push hard for Ade Jimoh.[/QUOTE]

Dont sweat it. I am already locked in for leave around training camp. I can also take 4 day passes. It is only a 7 to 9 hour drive up 95. I will be there this weekend too.

There is a park in Dale City VA. with a regulation size football field that is open to anyone who wants to play on it at any time during daylight hours.