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well 0-2, It's a big difference than last year for this team so far, can they turn it around???

Will our d be historically bad?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1025827]well 0-2, It's a big difference than last year for this team so far, can they turn it around???

Will our d be historically bad?[/quote]

Not so much the D but the offense is historically bad.

If the offense could get rolling I think if we didn't win games, they'd at least be competitive.

For the life of me, I don't understand why they've got the handcuffs on RG3. He's a terrible pocket passer and when he is paying attention to the pocket, he looks constantly paranoid. They need to be using rollouts, bootlegs and for the love of God, get rid of that horrible toss play and use the read option.

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No defense is going to play well when the opposing teams controls the time of possession for three quarters.

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This thread could have been started hours ago.

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I wonder why RG3 doesn't look like the guy who won OROY?

I don't think it's the Shanahan's fault, unless you blame them for listening to their QB and others. In which case they may be damned if they do, same if they don't.

I actually don't think Robert is a horrible pocket passer but it definitely looks as if he won't be running much this season

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Only about 11 percent of teams that have started 0-2 have made the playoffs. Of course two of those teams were the 07 giants and the 01 pats and both of those teams won the Super Bowl.

There is a lot to still figure out for the Redskins to even contend for a playoff spot. Shanahan cannot go 4-12 or 5-11 and expect to keep his job. He needs to at least be in it until the end. Luckily the NFC East isn't the greatest conference in the NFL so the Skins should be in it until the end.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1025841]I actually don't think Robert is a horrible pocket passer but it definitely looks as if he won't be running much this season[/quote]The league fined us for being coy about injuries before. If he's still hurt, the Shannys and others should get hit up.

So is RG3 100% physically, or not?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1025830]Not so much the D but the offense is historically bad.

If the offense could get rolling I think if we didn't win games, they'd at least be competitive.

For the life of me, I don't understand why they've got the handcuffs on RG3. He's a terrible pocket passer and when he is paying attention to the pocket, he looks constantly paranoid. They need to be using rollouts, bootlegs and for the love of God, get rid of that horrible toss play and use the read option.[/quote]

I think the defense is historically bad, when a 5 - 10 yard reception turns into 15 or more yards. It's because the tackling is historically bad.

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I dont think rg3 is 100%it ... i dont at all... i also will blame poor play calling on BOTH sides of the ball.. we got lucky it wasnt 31-0fine at halftime with a effing 7 yd cushion on a 3rdT and goal from the 9!!!!! Etf?? Plenty of drops, poor coverage not looking AT THE BALL AT ALL... secondary is a MAJOR achilles heel here... they couldn't cover a bed as housekeepers.n. f*ck... ee got beat uo amd down the field all day... defense was PITIFULL after the 1stend quarter and i blame playcalling just as.much as the players ... smfh I'm embarrassed after this loss... flat out embarrassed

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[quote=warriorzpath;1025844]I think the defense is historically bad, when a 5 - 10 yard reception turns into 15 or more yards. It's because the tackling is historically bad.[/quote]

They started out good though. We had them held for their first, what.. 2 or 3 series? But after 2 horrible punts and 3 and outs, this defense isn't good enough to keep holding them all game.

Our defense is like a... C/C+ type of team. Our front and line backers are decent and our secondary is drop dead terrible.

To balance that out your offense has got to be no less than a B- and we're playing a D level right now. They're putting an awful lot of pressure on our defense with no let up. The D can only keep it close but for so long.

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Just drives me CRAZY how many team highs/career highs are set against the Skins. Arggggggh. NOW, the silver lining is that both Eagles/Cowboys lost (and hopefully the Giants). If we can get some rhythm next week and get a win, then I'll feel a lot more positive. More of the same next week and I can't even comprehend how we went from this good to this bad.

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This team has many problems.

Alf's rookie magic has worn off.

RG3 is being limited. Sadly, we need that Read Option and RG3 running it to go back to being a good offense. Teams know, worry about Morris, then on passing downs, just play pass and don't worry about RG3 running it.

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Defensively, we got shreded today by the best QB in the NFL. Cobb killed us like I thought he would, but I was thinking Amerson would hold up better against Jordy Nelson, Ditto for DHall on James Jones. I was wrong about that. This team is doing piss poor at maintaining and staying in their gaps. Too many DLineman are getting pushed around by 'good' and bad Offensive Lines.

The tackling is also a Major issue. I understand giving long wrongs to LeSean McCoy, because he's shifty and elusive as hell. But James STARKS?!? He looked like Adrian Peterson today.

London Fletcher; I've loved having him on our team for the past 6 seasons, but it should have ended there. London is lost. London is gone. London just disappears. I used to hear his name all the time. I heard his name once today and it was after a big run. That Finley TD, that was London. Last year it was London getting beat by TE's in the passing game. This year its London getting man handled by OLineman, missing tackles, getting beat in coverage by more than just TE's. Translation, he's done. London was thinking really hard this past offseason about retiring and came back. He should have retired, because I'd rather have a young MLB back their making mistakes and learning than an old Vet who is getting owned throughout the game.


I will say this though about the defense. As horrible and not top 10 looking as they are, they still would give us times throughout the game for our offense to go out there and score. Problem is that the offense goes 3 and out and our defense, already tired and gased, has to go out and get beaten up for another score. Last year our defense was making stops and our offense was moving and working the clock. Not this year. And this team and this season will not do anything until the offense gets going (and I'm talking about early in a game, not garbage time).

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D played great until that 4th down completion for a TD. That just CRUSHED our momentum/confidence. After that, we sacked Rogers MAYBE 1-2 more times the rest of the game?

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I'll describe my feelings in a song.


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The D played well. They got no help from the offense until the game was way out of reach. Tempo and rhythm is everything in the NFL.

That said, way too premature to write of the season. We could limp into the bye-week and still make this competitive.

Bright Spots:

Trent Williams
Ryan Kerrigan
Pierre Garcon

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This offensive line is not built to pass block, and it showed when Green Bay was trying to get pressure in the first half. They cannot pass protect against a good rush, not as a unit. However, I think it's probably good long term for Griff to face this now and start learning to beat it.

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The main problems with the offense are - RGIII not being sharp on passes and there are too many dropped and tipped passes for incompletions/interceptions. Maybe it's because they don't see tight coverage in practice because the Redskins dbs suck in practice and the receivers aren't used to seeing tight coverage that they get in the game.

The Redskins dbs don't give them the work that the receivers need. And when they get in the game, it's a lot harder. And at times, RGIII looks like he puts too much on the short passes.

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Well. We are 1 game out of the lead in the East. We have played horrendous in both games and some how we're able to keep hope alive in the 4th. Last year Gruff was fearless and this year it isn't even close. He is scarred in the pocket and doesn't have his swagger from last year at all. His play making ability is nonexistent to this point and it is exposing a lot of the other problems we have.

We won't win a game if we keep spotting the other team 20+ points before we get on the board.

The rookies both got schooled and picked on all day by Rodgers.

I would imagine we will be spending some of our cash next year to upgrade both the secondary and online.

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Haslett needs to come back down on the field and see this shit first hand. We are getting crushed on defense. Half the reason is the damn offense is shit. Special teams is shit as well. We get a f&ckin penalty on every f&ckin special team play we run.

Rg3 is not right. Mechanics are off and looks to be 70 percent.

What I'm really miffed about is the oline is getting pushed back at the point of attack almost every play. They are rarly in synch together winnin battles.

I can't believe our secondary is worse than last year but it is. Hall, Wilson, reed and merriwether should all be gone after this year. Bye guys it's been real. Fletcher last year as well

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merriweather gone? lol the dudes already gone, he sees the game for less than 2 halves in 2 years and gets hurt... waste of a roster spot... but held onto cuz he play ok when hes in...

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I'm telling you, it starts with these passes that go incomplete with the receivers getting their hands on the ball.

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Without RG3 being completely healthy, all the other weaknesses on the Redskins have been exposed.
The Oline can run block but since the Skins have been down by 20 points they haven't been able to show it. They cannot protect any Quarterback in the pocket including RG3.
The Receivers are average at best as a group. Garçon is good but he would be a number 2 on a lot of other teams.
The defense front played well for 10 minutes in the first half. Kerrigan/Orakpo completely disappeared after that. The front 7 has given up more than 400 yards rushing the last two games.
If the front 7 doesn't get there the secondary is no where good enough to hold their own. Most teams want to draft rookies and bring them along throughout the season, but since the skins have no one else to start the Redskins are forced to start players who truly aren't ready yet.
Coaches have not seemed prepared compared to their opponents. There were times were Rogers pointed out who was blitzing and he was always right and was able to get a positive play. The Packer's defense looked like it knew what the Skins were going to do and were able to blow up the pocket pretty easily.
I really hope this team can turn it around but outside of RG3 all of a sudden becoming completely healthy I highly doubt that.

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Fletcher has been poor. I don't know what you can do but rotating some guys in and out to give him a breather may be smart. He played great in our run last year but he is struggling to get up to speed this year and he isn't even tackling well when he gets a chance to be in the right spot.

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[quote=12thMan;1025853]The D played well. They got no help from the offense until the game was way out of reach. Tempo and rhythm is everything in the NFL.

That said, way too premature to write of the season. We could limp into the bye-week and still make this competitive.

Bright Spots:

Trent Williams
Ryan Kerrigan
Pierre Garcon[/quote]

The d played well? Are you smoking crack?

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Look RGIII is going to get injured but we aren't going to win games unless the coaching staff allows him to be RGIII

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[quote=12thMan;1025853]The D played well. They got no help from the offense until the game was way out of reach. Tempo and rhythm is everything in the NFL.

That said, way too premature to write of the season. We could limp into the bye-week and still make this competitive.

Bright Spots:

Trent Williams
Ryan Kerrigan
Pierre Garcon[/quote]


I agree that it's still premature, but they need to improve a lot and quickly.

I disagree that the defense played well. I don't think they did. Yes, they played well early with some stops and sacks, but played really poorly the entire game in coverage and tackling. The only one that played well the entire game, but became a nonfactor late (because they were down by so much) was Kerrigan. They really need to do something with the quick hitch routes that gets the receivers and running back on the edges and in open space.

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In coverage, it looks like - too much of the time - that the defensive backs and linebackers (mainly Fletcher) look lost and are looking around for where both the ball and the receivers are.

[QUOTE=12thMan;1025853]The D played well. They got no help from the offense until the game was way out of reach. Tempo and rhythm is everything in the NFL.

That said, way too premature to write of the season. We could limp into the bye-week and still make this competitive.

Bright Spots:

Trent Williams
Ryan Kerrigan
Pierre Garcon[/QUOTE]
You have to add Jordan Reed.

After two terrible games we are one game behind. Our defense needs to close the holes, and we need to let Merriweather go. We really were lucky not to get 2 15 yard penalties, but I expect he will see some heavy fines.

Whatever secrets they did after the bye last year they need to find some of that mojo. I still believe the offense will find its rhythm sooner than later...

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2 and 2 at the bye. Less turnovers than last week. Robert a bit better than last week. While I was hoping for a better defensive and offensive showing I figured gb would beat them. They are one of the top 3 teams in nfc

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[quote=donofriose;1025860]Without RG3 being completely healthy, all the other weaknesses on the Redskins have been exposed.
The Oline can run block but since the Skins have been down by 20 points they haven't been able to show it. They cannot protect any Quarterback in the pocket including RG3.
The Receivers are average at best as a group. Garçon is good but he would be a number 2 on a lot of other teams.
The defense front played well for 10 minutes in the first half. Kerrigan/Orakpo completely disappeared after that. The front 7 has given up more than 400 yards rushing the last two games.
If the front 7 doesn't get there the secondary is no where good enough to hold their own. Most teams want to draft rookies and bring them along throughout the season, but since the skins have no one else to start the Redskins are forced to start players who truly aren't ready yet.
Coaches have not seemed prepared compared to their opponents. There were times were Rogers pointed out who was blitzing and he was always right and was able to get a positive play. The Packer's defense looked like it knew what the Skins were going to do and were able to blow up the pocket pretty easily.
I really hope this team can turn it around but outside of RG3 all of a sudden becoming completely healthy I highly doubt that.[/quote]I wish we had a "like" button for posts like these. Other good points in this thread too.

edit: We have to start playing to our strengths. We are not a pocket passing offense, and the D needs a lot of improvement but can hold if we give them time between series.

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[quote=12thMan;1025853]The D played well. They got no help from the offense until the game was way out of reach. [/quote]


The D played well? They gave up over 300 yards passing in the first half alone. Beyond the first two drives from Green Bay, this defense folded like a cheap tent. Haslett and his defense looked lost out there today.

Yes, the offense didn't do shit YET again to help our defense out, but they have to do much better than what they allowed here. Granted, the 49ers have a stout defense and still gave up points to GB last week.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1025869]The D played well? They gave up over 300 yards passing in the first half alone. Beyond the first two drives from Green Bay, this defense folded like a cheap tent. Haslett and his defense looked lost out there today.

Yes, the offense didn't do shit YET again to help our defense out, but they have to do much better than what they allowed here. Granted, the 49ers have a stout defense and still gave up points to GB last week.[/quote]All the predictions about Haslett not being all that great compared to his peers were right. I can't fault our FO since they did try addressing the secondary, but man our back four sucked today. Rodgers did have a lot to do with that.

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we don't have the OL to run whatever it is they're trying to run right now. we need to run what we ran last year... and we need to cover guys, at least every now and then.

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SPeaking of Haslett. It's about game adjustments. Notice this:
[B]
‏@Russellmania980

Ryan Kerrigan said that after first three sacks and first 3 drives. .#Packers were almost always 3 step drop for Rodgers[/B]


So after those first three sacks, GB's adjusted to get the ball out of Rodgers hands faster. (explains Kerrigan/Orakpo's disappearance)Those side passes and WR screens ate us up. Did our DC adjust? Nope.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1025872]SPeaking of Haslett. It's about game adjustments. Notice this:

[B]‏@Russellmania980 [/B]

[B]Ryan Kerrigan said that after first three sacks and first 3 drives. .#Packers were almost always 3 step drop for Rodgers[/B]


So after those first three sacks, GB's adjusted to get the ball out of Rodgers hands faster. Those side passes and WR screens ate us up. Did our DC adjust? Nope.[/quote]

Funny cuz I was about to say that. And when those quick passes that are caught within 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, go for 10 or more yards- there's nothing else the defense can do. The only thing that they NEED to do is make the tackles.

They need to start or focus on tackling drills in practice.

U guys say Griffin didn't play well? He had over 300 yards and 3 tds. When is the last time we had a QB do that in back to back games?? Exactly.

Kerrigan is a beast
Orakpo is not
Merriweather needs to be cut anyway.
Garcon is solid
Reed looks like he'll be a beast
Morris did OK nothing great.
Trent Williams is a monster

Other than that we really have some major major issues everywhere else

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I think the bad offense exposes our bad defense.

People act like they were expecting to have a top 10 defense, hell we were 28th in defense last year. We have rookies in the secondary, no #1 CB, an old ass linebacker who should've hung it up... Did you expect something better?

One of the reasons we did so well last season? ...We had a functioning on all cylinders offense. When your offense works, then your defense doesn't HAVE to work as hard.

What you're seeing now is what we really are and always have been as of late. Don't act surprised now.

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I agree and saw 3 steo drops the whole rest of the game. Haslett f*cking failed

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It's easy to get overly worried about your players taking on the loser personality of the coaches and being unable to rebound as a group (under new leadership), but then you look at quality coaches like Harbough in San Fran and Reid now in KC, walk in and turn those teams around in just season.

Dan and Bruce need to grab the next quality HC who comes available at this point. Preferably mid season so that person can analyze players over the rest of the season and because it's just such an embarrassment having this kind of piss poor leadership over a whole season. Unprepared, undisciplined and horrible play calling with almost total lack of adjustments.

But you do have to worry about the shanahans ruining RG, and I hope Dan and Bruce are keeping a close eye on this situation. Four years we have an oline completely incapable of pass protecting against today's defenses. And that without any injuries! Gotta be proactive before this failed leadership completely destroys the only franchise QB we've had in decades.