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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000235494/article/settlement-reached-in-nfl-concussion-lawsuit]NFL, ex-players reach settlement agreement in concussion suit - NFL.com[/url]

Still only a proposed settlement as of now but expected to be finalized without problems.

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Waits for JoeRedskin to weigh in

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Not today ... three motions and a fantasy draft. Take a look at it tomorrow.

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Sigh...waits for OvertheMountain to weigh in

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Sorry Smoot, you'll have to settle for me. :silly:

Breaks down to 24 million per team. They got off easy. Real easy. A shame the NFL gets to hide what it knew and for how long. I think the only people making out in this are the lawyers walking away with 30% of the purse.

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NFL made out today...i thought easily a billion dollar settlement.

But NFL didnt want to go to court, they didnt want the fact they knew what was going on and didnt do anything to stop it come out on the record.

NFL always makes out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1021187]Sigh...waits for OvertheMountain to weigh in[/quote]

SmootSmack my feelings are hurt your not waiting for me to weigh in on the subject. I will keep it simple. Lawyers and the NFL made out. The actual players that are actually having health issues won't see much of this money.

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765 million is a lot of damn money.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1021214]765 million is a lot of damn money.[/quote]

Yes and no...

By itself, 765 mil is a huge amount of money. However, they get to pay it out over something like 15 years. I heard someone on TV say that equates to raising the ticket prices by 1 dollar and its paid for over the life of the settlement. When you look at it that way, it just doesnt seem like a whole lot.

Keep in mind, the NFL will bring in about 9-9.5 bil this year alone. With the new TV contracts going into effect next year that will jump that figure by a good amount.

Had they been forced to release what they knew, and if (big if) they knew the damages that concussions caused while still clearing the players to go back into the games within a few minutes of a concussion. That settlement could have been well into the billions.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1021214]765 million is a lot of damn money.[/quote]


Not when you compare it to 9.5 billion a year revenue.

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4,500 players joined the suit so that is $170,666.67 each. Of course they won't see that much since part of the money is tagged for research, etc.

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[quote=Skinzman;1021216]Yes and no...

By itself, 765 mil is a huge amount of money. However, they get to pay it out over something like 15 years. I heard someone on TV say that equates to raising the ticket prices by 1 dollar and its paid for over the life of the settlement. When you look at it that way, it just doesnt seem like a whole lot.

Keep in mind, the NFL will bring in about 9-9.5 bil this year alone. With the new TV contracts going into effect next year that will jump that figure by a good amount.

Had they been forced to release what they knew, and if (big if) they knew the damages that concussions caused while still clearing the players to go back into the games within a few minutes of a concussion. That settlement could have been well into the billions.[/quote]

The owners are like Vegas, in the end they will always come out ahead.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1021218]Not when you compare it to 9.5 billion a year revenue.[/quote]

nfl could find a billion in their couch

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[quote=NC_Skins;1021191]Sorry Smoot, you'll have to settle for me. :silly:

Breaks down to 24 million per team. They got off easy. Real easy. A shame the NFL gets to hide what it knew and for how long. I think the only people making out in this are the lawyers walking away with 30% of the purse.[/quote]

The only real point of the suit was to affect change. That's how they convinced so many players to join in. The promise of money may have motivated some but for many it was simply a move to join their brothers and make sure that concussions are taken more seriously. I think they clearly achieved that.

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I'm happy for the players and their family's but again I find it tough because there isn't any proof ...none the NFL did anything wrong . How do you prove the trouble was caused by playing in the NFL , why not college or high school, maybe it happen when the guy was younger and was goofing around nobody will ever know .
I have always thought that the NFL should take better care of their retires ,if not for them there would be no game ,period . Still these were grown adult men playing a game they loved because many did it almost for free .They knew they could get hurt , they knew they could die and not only that but it was their job to inflict the same punishment on to others even at the cost of their own body's , say what you want but they the players contributed to their own situation and should be just as responsible .

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[quote=Giantone;1021234]I'm happy for the players and their family's but again I find it tough because there isn't any proof ...none the NFL did anything wrong . How do you prove the trouble was caused by playing in the NFL , why not college or high school, maybe it happen when the guy was younger and was goofing around nobody will ever know .
I have always thought that the NFL should take better care of their retires ,if not for them there would be no game ,period . Still these were grown adult men playing a game they loved because many did it almost for free .They knew they could get hurt , they knew they could die and not only that but it was their job to inflict the same punishment on to others even at the cost of their own body's , say what you want but they the players contributed to their own situation and should be just as responsible .[/quote]

The NFL's liability comes in from if they knew about the long term damage and still were telling the team doctors to clear the players regardless. The NFL clearly wanted to keep what they knew silent. The NCAA could probably be held liable as well since its now a huge money maker. High School doesnt generate the funds to do research on concussions. So no way they are going to be apart of it.

The question isnt whether anyone knew you could get hurt playing football. Everyone knew that. The question is what did the people making large sums of money off of the sport while sitting on the sidelines know and did they hide what they knew from the players.

Now that those questions are being answered, people are retiring earlier if they get concussions. If the owners held back info so the players could make that decision on their own, the owners are liable, plain and simple.

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you shouldn't be happy for the players, they're walking out with less than $120k each. If you're seriously messed up, your medical bills will eat through that pretty quick.

better than nothing i guess. the only real winners in class action suits tend to be the lawyers.

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So does the punter Jim Arnold, who I believe is on the lawsuit....does he get any money? Because if he does he should be ashamed of himself.

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[quote=Giantone;1021234]I'm happy for the players and their family's but again I find it tough because there isn't any proof ...none the NFL did anything wrong . How do you prove the trouble was caused by playing in the NFL , why not college or high school, maybe it happen when the guy was younger and was goofing around nobody will ever know .
I have always thought that the NFL should take better care of their retires ,if not for them there would be no game ,period . Still these were grown adult men playing a game they loved because many did it almost for free .They knew they could get hurt , they knew they could die and not only that but it was their job to inflict the same punishment on to others even at the cost of their own body's , say what you want but they the players contributed to their own situation and should be just as responsible .[/quote]

Do we have a huge number of people that played high school/college football have the type of issues that guys who've played professional football a good majority of their lives? The speed of the games isn't even comparable. Nothing in college can remotely compare to the NFL (not even the SEC) when it comes to size/speed. Those two elements play a huge part in the grand scheme of things. Furthermore, there are less games in a college season than pros. Also, most guys who play college football generally stop after 4 years. Well, if they were to play 15 years after the fact, maybe we would be having this discussion in regards to college football.

You make is sound as if it's just one instance that causes this lasting brain damage. It's nothing you can pinpoint to a single point and time, just the general area where most of the violent collisions occurred.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1021252]Do we have a huge number of people that played high school/college football have the type of issues that guys who've played professional football a good majority of their lives? The speed of the games isn't even comparable. Nothing in college can remotely compare to the NFL (not even the SEC) when it comes to size/speed. Those two elements play a huge part in the grand scheme of things. Furthermore, there are less games in a college season than pros. Also, most guys who play college football generally stop after 4 years. Well, if they were to play 15 years after the fact, maybe we would be having this discussion in regards to college football.

You make is sound as if it's just one instance that causes this lasting brain damage. It's nothing you can pinpoint to a single point and time, just the general area where most of the violent collisions occurred.


Ok ,I'm sure I'll miss something here but I'll try.
1) Do we know if high school or college caused this ,a concussion is a concussion and no I'm not being blah about this ,my point is there is no difference from 4 or 5 in high school or college and for you to say that college or high school games can't give you those same injuries as playing in the pros you would be wrong .Huge numbers ? I don't know , were high school or college players allowed into the suit ?
2)Playing Pro football a good majority of their lives is what , 5 ,7, 10 , 15 years l would have to see what the average career was of the players in the suit ?
3) So you think the number of games is the problem or at least some of it ,well how about this ... start in pee wee , age 7 ,play through jr high or pop warner till Freshman year (what's that 14 /15) play through your senor year that's 18 , now if you are good enough you go and play in college, any college USA all 4 years what is that 20/21 ?You have been playing this sport for 14 years and this includes practices ,and yes you can get the concussions from your own teammates in practice .
4) You said,"You make is sound as if it's just one instance that causes this lasting brain damage. It's nothing you can pinpoint to a single point and time, just the general area where most of the violent collisions occurred."

Now you are assuming, I never said on instance ,never hinted at it .I will tell you what though I have seen one hit , one what seem very ordinary hit make a teammate never the same but he was the lucky one ,he lived it was another teammate that died in the game that day.

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[quote=Skinzman;1021237]The NFL's liability comes in from if they knew about the long term damage and still were telling the team doctors to clear the players regardless. The NFL clearly wanted to keep what they knew silent. .[/quote]


I disagree ,my opinion the NFL didn't know because they never tried to find out and that is what they are protecting, they (the NFL) used these guys as meat and that was all which is actually worse IMO .Players were telling people they were ok ,Huff , Butkis ,Harry Carson , again there wasn't much known at the time about concussions except you could get hurt . RGII told the coach's he was fine when clearly he wasn't ,who is to blame ,RGIII, Andrews, Shannahan ....or the NFL ?



Goodell , people blame him for everything.

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[quote=Giantone;1021282]I disagree ,my opinion the NFL didn't know because they never tried to find out and that is what they are protecting, they (the NFL) used these guys as meat and that was all which is actually worse IMO .Players were telling people they were ok ,Huff , Butkis ,Harry Carson , again there wasn't much known at the time about concussions except you could get hurt . RGII told the coach's he was fine when clearly he wasn't ,who is to blame ,RGIII, Andrews, Shannahan ....or the NFL ?



Goodell , people blame him for everything.[/quote]

Here you go again with your mind numbing butt kissery of Goodell. This isnt about Goodell. This is mostly about what happened under Tagliabue. The NFL has been around since before Goodell. You do realize that dont you? Relax Francis, the entire world isnt against the man who you love and adore and feel the need to protect at all costs.

PS... The NFL had commissioned studies on head injuries long ago. And the results have never been made public. Which is fine, but they should of still shared that info with the players and the NFLPA.

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[quote=Skinzman;1021307]Here you go again with your mind numbing butt kissery of Goodell. This isnt about Goodell. This is mostly about what happened under Tagliabue. The NFL has been around since before Goodell. You do realize that dont you? Relax Francis, the entire world isnt against the man who you love and adore and feel the need to protect at all costs.

PS... The NFL had commissioned studies on head injuries long ago. And the results have never been made public. Which is fine, but they should of still shared that info with the players and the NFLPA.[/quote]

Pete Rozelle ever hear of him jr ?I'm not the one crying about a conspiracy(it was sarcasm) .Point is the NFL has never taken care of it's own like they should and I have always said that so yes I'm happy for the settlement but it's like a race car driver saying he never knew he could get hurt in a crash at 120 miles an hour ,you wanna say wtf ?


Why not have some blame for this guy ?
[url=http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/rozelle_pete.html]ESPN Classic - Rozelle made NFL what it is today[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1021385]Pete Rozelle ever hear of him jr ?I'm not the one crying about a conspiracy(it was sarcasm) .Point is the NFL has never taken care of it's own like they should and I have always said that so yes I'm happy for the settlement but it's like a race car driver saying he never knew he could get hurt in a crash at 120 miles an hour ,you wanna say wtf ?


Why not have some blame for this guy ?
[url=http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/rozelle_pete.html]ESPN Classic - Rozelle made NFL what it is today[/url][/quote]

There is definitely some blame for Rozelle. But there wasnt as much medical info under him. But sure, I put some on him also. I put some on the owners as well. Its not even just the Commissioners office. For that Matter, I put some on Snyder. Its not just your hero that is getting blame here. Quit acting like it is. Goodell was the residing commissioner during the settlement, I actually give him some credit on this.

But stop saying everyone is blaming Goodell when someone says something that isnt flattering to the NFL, especially when a lot of the ones suing were retired before he ever became commissioner. Its just an old, tired, and lazy response from you.

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Should Gus Ferotte get some money for a self inflicted injury??

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Wonder if PO can get in on the action???
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